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Haha,

this is very true Charax, and to be honest if people want to show their support, I would rather they purchase more conversion bits!!..

I think If I go ahead with the dice purchase, Id give them away with orders over a certain ammount.

On an unrelated note, I just installed a new vacuum pump, its amazing! It will improve quality even further and speed up manufacturing, leaving me with more time to work on new product!

Cheers,

Joel

Charax wrote:oh those are even better, pay money to be able to pay money to buy dice that advertise someone else.

At least Dakka isn't a business, though.

EDIT: Also I pretty much covered Dakka Dice with "Token show of support"

I have it on good authority that Dakka Dice contain proprietary technology that allows you to always roll 6s for your leadership tests, and 1s for your shooting. That kind of technology doesn't come cheap.

Have you put any though into doing true scale stuff?

A few more accessories for your rifles
a Peq-15 laser designater (I've been useing tau rifle sights)
EOtech looking scope\sight
Bi pods/legs
A slightly longer straight clip, so I can make it look like my character has two clips taped together.
Rifle slings that fit your rifles
More like a wish list....

Hey Guys,

thanks for the suggestions!

@Madmuzza/regarding "true scale"

yes this is somthing Ive considered, there are two options to make the Steam Lords bigger. (they currently run about 33mm to eye level)

The first, easiest, option, is to make longer, bulkier legs, say an extra 5-6mm of height, but still use the existing upper bodies as they are.
This would create a much taller/more imposing figure, and as the shoulder pads/arms/weapons are already "oversize" the models overall proportions would still work.

The second option is to use the existing arms, weapons, helmets and backpacks, but make the new larger legs AND slightly larger torsos and shoulder pads, possibly a larger powerpack as well.

Just making bigger legs would be an easy way to make taller, more astestically scaled miniatures, and the legs alone as a conversion kit would be a lot cheaper than the "full version".

Id love to hear peoples thoughts on this, which route should I take?

@Newabortion

Thanks for the wishlist,
I cant currently think of a way to make rifle slings in resin, but would recommend it would be quite easy to do with thin strips of card.
I am doing a "Rifle arms 2" set to add more variety and I will look at including a slung version of some sort.

laser designator and bipod added to the list.

The stick and curved mags I do can be glued together with one in the gun and one reversed, is this what you mean? or do you mean side by side both facing up?

Im currently preparing a whole load of new weapons for design and release. Currently on the list-

Laser/Pulse Rifle
Sniper Rifle
heavy Plasma Rifle
Fusion Cutter
"twin" pistol/carbine varients.

Bi-pod
red dot scope
laser designator
regular bayonet.
spent ammo casings for decorating bases/flying out of guns etc.

and heavy squad weapons-

Missile launcher
Laser Cannon
SAW - a scaled up version of the widow maker rifle.

Im also in the process of having all my helmets redesigned in CAD and hopefully a few new ones in the works as well.

Any further suggestions for the list very welcome!

Cheers,

Joel

I have used one of your competitors oversized legs, and assembled them with a regular size torso and arms but used bigger shoulder pads. I think they ended up looking pretty decent in those proportions.

Something I think would be an awesome thing would be a sprue of "Fusion Cutter" Nozzles for conversions. I know I would pay for a set of unified looking nozzles for conversion uses.

Considering the difficulty of obtaining combi-meltas and equivalents these would sell like hot cakes.

Alternatively you could stick them to the back of vehicles for exhaust pipes.

Ooooohh, oohh, oohh! <smokes cigarette>

Sniper rifles, Missile launchers, Bipods, bigger version of the Widowmaker as a SAW variant. Once those and the Bionic Legs are in, I shall have to put in another order, probably with armoured arms to carry the widowmakers I already have.

Anvils Hammer wrote:Hey Guys,

thanks for the suggestions!

@Madmuzza/regarding "true scale"

yes this is somthing Ive considered, there are two options to make the Steam Lords bigger. (they currently run about 33mm to eye level)

The first, easiest, option, is to make longer, bulkier legs, say an extra 5-6mm of height, but still use the existing upper bodies as they are.
This would create a much taller/more imposing figure, and as the shoulder pads/arms/weapons are already "oversize" the models overall proportions would still work.

The second option is to use the existing arms, weapons, helmets and backpacks, but make the new larger legs AND slightly larger torsos and shoulder pads, possibly a larger powerpack as well.

Just making bigger legs would be an easy way to make taller, more astestically scaled miniatures, and the legs alone as a conversion kit would be a lot cheaper than the "full version".

Id love to hear peoples thoughts on this, which route should I take?

@Newabortion

Thanks for the wishlist,
I cant currently think of a way to make rifle slings in resin, but would recommend it would be quite easy to do with thin strips of card.
I am doing a "Rifle arms 2" set to add more variety and I will look at including a slung version of some sort.

laser designator and bipod added to the list.

The stick and curved mags I do can be glued together with one in the gun and one reversed, is this what you mean? or do you mean side by side both facing up?

Im currently preparing a whole load of new weapons for design and release. Currently on the list-

Laser/Pulse Rifle
Sniper Rifle
heavy Plasma Rifle
Fusion Cutter
"twin" pistol/carbine varients.

Bi-pod
red dot scope
laser designator
regular bayonet.
spent ammo casings for decorating bases/flying out of guns etc.

and heavy squad weapons-

Missile launcher
Laser Cannon
SAW - a scaled up version of the widow maker rifle.

Im also in the process of having all my helmets redesigned in CAD and hopefully a few new ones in the works as well.

Any further suggestions for the list very welcome!

Cheers,

Joel

Thanks a lot for listening to my suggestions! Referring to the taped mags, I meant both "taped" together upright, but due to the short size of the one in the rifle (I know its realistic, part of the mag is in the gun afterall.) having an equally shout mag next to it wouldn't look right :/ simple i know.

About the helmets (if your going guard) and other weapons, please make them look functional! One example I would like to use is Defiance Games, although I could overlook the weapon models I couldn't overlook how horrible their helmets were, complete lack of peripheral vision and surrounding the face...wtf (I know its just personal preference so take it a grain of salt.)

Another wish list item would be 2 sniper variants a heavy (anti material) rifle and a scout rifle. I want go back and stress the look of functionality again ( once again also referring to guard, Space Romans can carry a 30 pound sniper rifle all day i guess)

One other question, your widow maker rifle will fit guardsmen right? I seen the comparison pictures but on ebay they said they were Marine size.

(Anyways this is just what would be important to me...)

@d-usa, thanks very much for your feedback! It will be a few weeks at least before I can think about any larger parts, but I will probable make some mock ups and post photos here for feedback.

@Vain, I will put that idea on the list! seems to fit my product range

@Conrad, working as fast as I can! Im going to try and make the leg bionics similarly multi pose and multi size, but will see what I come up with, not sure yet.

@newabortion, No problem, I try to make what people want, more usefull parts=more sales=more money to cover costs and invest in making more usefull parts!

The mags are modeled with bullets in them, and the rifles have a small recess, so they are meant to be full mags, but I know what you mean, a "real" gun would have more of the mag inside it. I will have play around at making some taped mags if I get a chance!

Ill be making just the one sniper rifle initially, for the "space romans" but when I get to making guardsman sized minis I will make a smaller version.

The rifles I do can be used to convert guard but are quite large ! I assume cadian models? The rifles are the same lenght as a lasgun, 25mm, but substantially more bulky as you can see in the comparison photo posted further up the thread.

The Carbine varients are shorter and thus, less bulky, so might be more appropriate. The pump action shotgun is slimmer, so looks great on guard figures, and the auto-shotgun-rifle is between the two.

When I come to make my guard range, I will actually be scaling down all the rifles a bit and reprinting them, to fit slightly better with normal human figures, but that is all, realistically, 3-6 months away.

Cheers,

Joel

I can shoot you a couple pictures of the models I put together if you want, to give you a sense is scale for the mixed parts.

d-usa wrote:I can shoot you a couple pictures of the models I put together if you want, to give you a sense is scale for the mixed parts.

that would be awesome for me, i'm getting some myself and would like to see how they mix.

Let me take some better pictures than the fuzzy blurry WIP ones I had from earlier and I will upload them.

Obsidian Raven wrote:

d-usa wrote:I can shoot you a couple pictures of the models I put together if you want, to give you a sense is scale for the mixed parts.

that would be awesome for me, i'm getting some myself and would like to see how they mix.

Seconded on that, that would be extremely useful!

i have been stalking this page for a while seeing some pretty cool parts for conversions and i will buy some in later time like some shoulder pads and guns for my mk 3 spec-ops space marine army

they're 60p each, what makes you think it's 60p for 5?

Charax wrote:they're 60p each, what makes you think it's 60p for 5?

cause when i read closer i relise how stupid i am not for reading all it happens when i am either exited or focusing on somthing else

Well , I ordered from these guys on Wednesday , and they arrived this morning (Saturday).....amazing turnaround and the quality , beyond anything I had expected.

The rifles are amazing , and I will be going back now for steam lord parts.

Great , cant say much more about there products...(except I want more)

Alright, so here is the picture of using true-scale legs with regular torsos.

Just to update people who are skimming the thread or are new to it: These are made with the true-scale kit sold by Chapterhouse. The only reason I am posting their stuff in an Anvil Industry thread was to share my experiences with using true-scale legs with a regular scale torso to help the guys at Anvil decide if they want to do a whole kit or legs only. No malicious attempt to spam their thread with competitors products



Both guys are assembled with true-scale legs. The guy on the right was assembled using both true scale legs and a true scale torso.

The guy on the left was assembled using true scale legs and a regular FW torso.

Both are using regular scale heads and arms, but either true scale pads or terminator pads.

Personally I like the proportions on the left guy better. I think the legs and bigger pads give him enough scale to make him seem bigger without looking weird and he is still at least a head bigger than a regular space marine. I think the guy on the right with the bigger torso almost looks like his head and arms are too small now.

Of course that is my personal opinion and yours may vary. And no snide remarks about paint job

@Charax and emperer bacon, I try to offer the best value for money I can, but I cant quite manage 12p per rifle!!

@Synthetik, Thanks very much!! I'm glad you are pleased with the product, The newer 3D printed stuff (inc rifles, bionics) is the nicest stuff Ive made so far, its so much more precise than almost any hand sculpting. I will be using 3D printing progressively more and more in future.

@d-usa, thanks for posting the photo, would you mind measuring the Chapterhouse legs from sole of foot to the join with the waist? Ideally in mm if you can. The legs seem enormous even for true-scale minis.

Im of the opinion that even "true scale" minis should still be realistic for 28mm heroic.. so if 6 feet tall is around 32mm, then super human should be between 42.5mm (8' ) and 45mm (8.5' ).

Im 5'10, and my arm is about 2' long from shoulder to fist, my Steam Lord arms are approx 14mm long, which means they are "in scale" still on a miniature which is 43mm tall.

My regular size torsos are about 9mm tall, 14mm tall with the helmet, and the legs are 17.5mm sole to waist.

using various proportions shown here-

http://www.idrawdigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/prop_var.gif

The torso and helmet should be 16mm, and the legs should be 25mm, for a 42mm tall mini.

if the head and torsos were to remain at 14mm, the mini would be 40mm tall and the legs would look unnaturally long.

So the options are-

1. New larger torsos and legs, but same arms, heads, pads etc, making miniatures which are 42mm tall, equivalent to 8' in heroic 28mm scale. these minis would be TWO HEADS taller than a regular Steam Lord.


2. Use the existing torsos and scale the legs appropriately for the torsos, making the new miniatures approx 37.5mm tall, which is ONE HEAD bigger than a regular Steam Lord.

I will do some more measuring and thinking about this when I get a chance, and post up some detailed scale sketches showing what the different options will look like.

Cheers,

Joel

Anvils Hammer wrote:@Charax and emperer bacon, I try to offer the best value for money I can, but I cant quite manage 12p per rifle!!

well anyways i am still gone order shoulder pads, guns, city bases and capes for 40 marines (possibly more) maby next month since they will be looking awsome with it only 2 question more have you ever tought about making somthing else then medival and roman like samurai cyberpunk since thats somthing i have allways wished for to do on my marines and the capes do they fit good on normal marines without to much work as i am tempted to make them all look like they have camo cloacks

I vote for the true-scale being two heads taller. It's been described that way several times in the fluff. For example in the word bearers books a guardsman (an elysian, who are usually tall) injures a Chaos Space marine, and he falls down on his knees, but even on his knees his head comes to the same height as the guardsman. And that's only off the top of my head... plenty of other times it's described as well as being the proportions for the drawings artists make. So 8'/42 mm is the standard. And you need to sculpt the torso/shouderpads as well.

Also I ordered those chapterhouse kits and keep in mind, while being the correct height, they are a little bit on the skinny side. The warsmith ones were better while available (yeah I know it's the same guy). A converted terminator leg comes out slightly thicker than a chapterhouse leg, and converted terminator legs (with added height to the shins) are probably the best standard to go by.

Didn't have any metric measuring tape at the house, but I need to stop at the hobby store tomorrow anyway so I will post them tomorrow.

I hope there are some very tall ladies in those suits of armor because those legs go on for miles.

@emperor bacon, thanks!! Yes I hope to do other styles of Steam Lord component including Samurai parts! Its just a matter of finding the time for it!

The regular cloaks fit great on GW tactical space marines with no modification, the fur cloaks will occasionally need some fur trimming depending on the positioning of the pack and shoulder pads, but its nothing difficult.

@Meade, thanks for your feedback! Im certainly leaning that way, its more work but would result in a better product, and Ill certainly be making the legs chunkier than the Chapterhouse kit, probably with interchangeable armour plates and so forth for customization.

Cheers,

Joel

d-usa wrote:Didn't have any metric measuring tape at the house, but I need to stop at the hobby store tomorrow anyway so I will post them tomorrow.

Take measurement in inches, multiply by 25.4 to convert to millimeters.

I thought you were of recent German ancestry - you should already know this!

It is easy enough to convert, but the main problem for me is the accuracy of the tools used. The smallest markings on my measuring tabs is 1/8 inch. So instead of measuring in mm increments, I would be measuring in 3 mm steps unless I am eyeballing measurements which is clearly not acceptable.

My German ancestry would not appreciate such sloppy measurements.

d-usa wrote:It is easy enough to convert, but the main problem for me is the accuracy of the tools used. The smallest markings on my measuring tabs is 1/8 inch. So instead of measuring in mm increments, I would be measuring in 3 mm steps unless I am eyeballing measurements which is clearly not acceptable.

My German ancestry would not appreciate such sloppy measurements.

Now that's an explanation we can all accept - well said!

Now go get a metric tape measure!

ah ok, no worries then, I can eyeball it roughly from the photo!

I love my digital caliper, its accurate to 1/100th of a mm, but I forget its not exactly standard household equipment!!

Im pretty excited about these big kits now.. Current release shedule-

Armoured Medieval Rifle Arms and bioinc Rifle arms - Out on Wednesday

Running legs - out next wednesday.

Then the "Steam Giants" as I shall call them, after that.

Ive also got a few bits Im going to have 3D designed, which will slot into the release schedule at some point, next month now though.

Cheers,

Joel

Anvils Hammer wrote:Running legs - out next wednesday

YES, just what i've been waiting for.