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2017/12/15 01:09:12
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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I have seen all of TOS and TNG at least twice. I used to really love Star Trek, though when you think about it there are quite a lot of horrifying implications beneath its veneer of nobility. Star Wars always seemed like a fluke to me and my opinion of it is colored as such. The original trilogy was great, but it was basically an accident that it was good at all. Once Lucas had all the creative control it became clear that he was an exceptionally lucky hack that cobbled the original trilogy together with tired Jungian archetypes and the merciful assistance of people with actual talent. The new movies are carbon copies of the old ones.
The remake of Battlestar Galactica is one of my favorite series of all time.
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2017/12/15 09:19:09
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Norn Queen
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It's all crap outside of DS9.
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2017/12/16 06:04:08
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Terrifying Doombull
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Luciferian wrote:
The remake of Battlestar Galactica is one of my favorite series of all time.
Urgh. I'll take the worst of SW and ST over that steaming pile. Randomly jerking between torture porn, overly melodramatic relationships between adults that are forced to act like they're 13 and dating for the first time, and an empty-headed version of overly pompous religious philosophy is a nauseating mix.
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2017/12/16 18:41:46
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Voss wrote: Luciferian wrote:
The remake of Battlestar Galactica is one of my favorite series of all time.
Urgh. I'll take the worst of SW and ST over that steaming pile. Randomly jerking between torture porn, overly melodramatic relationships between adults that are forced to act like they're 13 and dating for the first time, and an empty-headed version of overly pompous religious philosophy is a nauseating mix.
Two great seasons and then crap.
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2017/12/19 05:06:15
Subject: Re:Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I hold Star Trek's original series in the same high regard as the original three Star War films.
After that, it's a constant up and down, like a yo-yo.
With Trek, I liked the Animated Series as a youth. But now, it looks kinda lame to my adult eyes. The original cast films were good, with the exception of The Slow Motion Picture and Star Trek V.
The first two seasons of TNG sucked massive donkey balls, with the wooden acting, crap scripts, and holier-than-thou/impossibly utopian garbage. From Season Three onwards, it was like night and day. It turned into a great show. DS9 also was also a great installment into the Trek franchise, with some of the best moments in Trek history.
Voyager and Enterprise sucked ass.
Generations was an okay film. First Contact and Insurrection were enjoyable. Nemesis is best forgotten, except for those awesome scenes with the Argo. Of the Abrams films, the first one was a fun movie. Into Darkness was meh. Beyond had it's cool moments, but wasn't as good as the first "reboot" film.
And I have no interest in Sexually Transmit.....er, I meant Star Trek: Discovery. Especially after the pilot episode.
Star Wars Episodes IV through VI will always hold a special place in my science fiction loving heart (AND DAMN IT, HAN SHOT FIRST. SCREW YOU, LUCAS).
The only thing of the Prequels that I liked was the Clone Army's first battle and Yoda's kung-fu lightsaber duel with an arthritic Christopher Lee. Other than that, they sucked. And Jar-Jar can burn in hell.
After getting the low down on Abrams's butchery of Star Wars, I didn't think I could stomach Social Justice Wars: The Mary Sue Awakens. And Star Wars: The Last Mary Sue doesn't tickle my fancy any either.
There are other franchises and settings I liked better as I got older. Babylon 5, Firefly, Warhammer 40,000, etc. The Macross series were another favorite of mine that was ruined when Kawamori jumped the shark with the whole space magic/nNew Age mumbo jumbo crap.
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2017/12/19 15:36:52
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
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2017/12/21 00:32:30
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Right. It's the fans' fault. :roll eyes:
Both series have their ups and downs. Neither of them have done anything good in decades. However, I've enjoyed the post-Nemesis Star Trek books and what they have done with the setting and new characters. I really wish Star Wars would do something like that, too...
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2017/12/21 20:22:56
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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They did, with the Star Wars Expanded Universe. The Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn expanded on events directly after the original trilogy, but Disney pretty much blew up the Expanded Universe thing and made it all non-canon.
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2017/12/21 20:53:01
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Luciferian wrote:They did, with the Star Wars Expanded Universe. The Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn expanded on events directly after the original trilogy, but Disney pretty much blew up the Expanded Universe thing and made it all non-canon.
That's the joke.
But even more importantly, Star Wars went even further by creating the Old Republic variation on the setting. I don't know why there hasn't been more development of the Star Wars galaxy that doesn't revolve around Palpatine's brief reign.
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2017/12/21 21:20:39
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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I'd chalk it up to them being risk adverse, and not bothering to see how well the setting performs without the beloved characters all of the fans know.
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2017/12/22 04:55:38
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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Luciferian wrote:They did, with the Star Wars Expanded Universe. The Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn expanded on events directly after the original trilogy, but Disney pretty much blew up the Expanded Universe thing and made it all non-canon.
Except it was the Lucasfilm Story Group - Pablo Hidalgo and "Keeper of the holocron" Leland Chee - that did that, and they did it PRIOR to the takeover by da haus of maus. Pablo has been in that group since it was begun, back in the days when the only thing keeping SW going WAS a rpg.
Disney don't actually tell LFL how to run their business and the fluff. The same way they don't tell marvel.
The EU has never been "canon" to the LSG, and "canon" only ever mattered for the writers hired to write stuff for them. It shouldn't matter to the fanatic peat (whether you enjoy them should not come down to how "canon" something is.).
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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2017/12/23 17:06:18
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Thrawn is arguably a more popular SW villain than Kylo Ren or Snoke, and likely almost as recognizable to our generation. Ditto the KOTOR guys. They may not be canon, but they are Star Wars for many.
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2017/12/29 16:05:28
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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DS9 is totally the best but TNG and Voyager are both pretty entertaining too.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Right. It's the fans' fault. :roll eyes:
Both series have their ups and downs. Neither of them have done anything good in decades. However, I've enjoyed the post-Nemesis Star Trek books and what they have done with the setting and new characters. I really wish Star Wars would do something like that, too...
I've enjoyed the startrek reboots. Into darkness was kind of weak but they Beyond and Startrek were both really good IMO. Nemesis was entertaining at least but a lot of plot holes. Insuresction was just terrible though.
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2018/01/14 20:51:03
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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I have to admit as an older hobbyist, 43, I have played more Star Trek than Star Wars.
In the '80s there were both Star Wars and Star Trek role-playing games; however as a miniature enthusiast I read and played ship-to-ship combat using FASA's rules and RAFM's miniatures line.
I learned about Romulan, Klingon, and Federation ships and the galaxy as it was more fact being set using the Earth and current solar systems, and less fictional than the Star Wars galaxy.
* EDIT: Happy New Years ya filthy animals ... although for me 2018 isn't until February
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2018/01/16 21:02:39
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I picked Star Wars, but also do like Star Trek, just to a lesser degree.
Cheers,
CB
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2018/01/18 04:24:46
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Grumpy Longbeard
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I like the ideals in Star Trek, I'm living them as a scientist. A character joining Star Fleet is my "wildest dreams" on screen.
I prefer Hitchhiker's Guide to both though.
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2018/04/17 10:55:11
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Keeper of the Flame
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The current Star Wars films have killed my interest in the franchise completely, while I've not been able to really watch Discovery, so I'm now even more decidedly Trek over Wars.
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2018/04/19 22:24:29
Subject: Re:Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Death-Dealing Dark Angels Devastator
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Star trek is great. But for me Star Wars is far superior. For me nothing captured my heart or imagination as a child as much as it did until I got a bit older and read the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. But for me the original trilogy (and to a slightly lesser extent yes even the prequels) were, are and will remain one of my favorite fictional universes.
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"In Warfare, preparation is the key. Determine that which your foe prizes the most. Then site your heavy weapons so that they overlook it. In this way, you may be quite sure that you shall never want for targets."
— Lion El'Jonson
"What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the Imperial Guard!"
- Lord Commander Solar Macharius
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2018/05/18 20:10:58
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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As has been sais before, Stargate and Babylon 5 trumps them both. I enjoyed them all though (still sad about Firefly)..
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2018/06/19 16:05:23
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Squishy Squig
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TNG all the way.
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2018/08/22 08:49:11
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Fresh-Faced New User
Germany
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Star Wars is just soooo repetitive... Popcorn, beer, switch your brain off and you are fine... in tng there are quite a lot of episodes that challenge you to think twice about real life issues.
Star Trek got me interested in philosophy and ethics... and turned me into a better person on the way.
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2018/09/22 12:09:59
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Stargate.
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2018/09/22 17:05:41
Subject: Re:Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Fixture of Dakka
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An equal tie between Star Wars IV-VI (original cuts) & all of Star Trek.
A slight shift towards Trek if I have to consider Episodes I-III.
And then the pendulum swings way in favor of Trek with the introduction of Episodes VII, VIII, & Solo. I don't expect E:IX will help this. Hell, I might just skip IX & plug ESB in that night. Or re-watch the worst Trek can offer.
*I do not take into account novels, comics, animation, or toys/games etc - there's just more of this stuff than I could ever consume. Just SW movies & Trek movies/TV series.
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2018/09/23 04:21:30
Subject: Re:Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Chaos Space Marine dedicated to Slaanesh
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I went for 'no strong opinion' as my answer really is 'it depends', or 'both, for different reasons'.
I've loved Star Wars since I was a little kid, grew up reading novels about the expanded universe, then watching the prequels as they released, so it's always had a place in my heart.
I didn't watch Star Trek until I was at uni, but I drew strength from Voyager when I was coping with bad depression and anxiety so I love it for a different reason. I really enjoyed TNG and find it infinitely rewatchable.
So for me, it goes Voyager > Star Wars = TNG > all other Trek
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2018/10/24 17:09:23
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Been Around the Block
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I'm more familiar with Star Wars because I was exposed more to it as a child then Star Trek, so I ended up preferring the former over the latter due to more constant exposure. I remember seeing a couple episodes of The Next Generation and liking Captain Picard as a character. But I either didn't have cable at the time or could never really figure out TV schedules so whenever I did catch those glimpses of Star Trek they were usually at somebody else's house.
I have been thinking about getting into Star Trek and Godzilla (along with other media franchises/series's) thanks to this YouTube channel known as the Templin Institute: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpqCsO-fb2_OzVxm7J9MslA/videos?pbjreload=10
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2019/01/26 22:22:17
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Dakka Veteran
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I prefer Star Wars, but I genuinely enjoy both. It really just comes down to which movie or episode was written better.
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2019/01/28 08:34:29
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I've always preferred Star Trek over Star Wars, but I'm more of a sci-fi geek than a fantasy one.
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2019/01/28 16:10:47
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Ship's Officer
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Star Trek; I love Picard as a character, the next gen was decent show, the movies too; I find myself liking DS9 as a show even more, especially the cardacian character(name I can’t seem to remember), original Star Trek was b4 my time; voyager, forgettable reboot, and current show are meh.
Star Wars I only liked the empire strikes back, the other 2 original were ok, the prequels sucked hard, saw episode 7 and rogue one, they’re ok; haven’t and glad I didn’t waste my time on the other movies after seeing abysmal reviews. Never liked any of their video games; I do wish they had Star Wars LEGO’s when I was a kid though.
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2019/04/30 09:25:39
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Puh, that are way too few choices.
In general: None!
I'm one of the few Star Trek fans that hates the old series and movies and thinks that Star Trek Discovery is better than Picard and Kirk.
With Star Wars it's the other way around: I hate the new movies soooooooooo much. Since Episode 7 Star Wars is dead to me. Won't even watch a trailer for Episode 9. I've lost any interest in it. Same counts for Marvel. The Disney-Fatigue is strong with me.
So there is at least one choice missing:
"None, hate them both!"
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2019/04/30 09:28:17
Subject: Star Trek or Star Wars?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Gosh, so wierd, this thread gets bumped just as i was thinking about making a thread asking this exact question....
I dont know much about either to be honest, but have been watching star treck episodes on youtube, and its very addictive. Makes me want to get some star trek models to paint.
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