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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

yukihyou wrote:
I do find it extremely hard to accept this,. I certainly would buy it but depending on what they plan to do. but if there is a limited set of figures i.e. a box and thats it, it might put me off. I hope its a full game and a range. if not I might just ignore it.

And if it's a game but not a range (ie. a fire-and-forget release to boost sales in a particular quarter, ala Dreadfleet)?

Bloodbowl I can see / would buy, but this? No, it would annoy me far to much.

If it had female inq/ sob or some other female figures and or minor aliens then I might pick it up. otherwise a 90 pound box game for 10 figures at most?, Hell no.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How does being limited edition or not depending on sales even work? I'm pretty sure you can't market something as limited edition and then continue making it if it sells well...?

I don't think there's anything to really stop you but you could just release it as a revised or even second edition with a different cover.

 -Loki- wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

In the back of every Black Library book I buy I see a huge advertisement that says "Come to a GW store. First mini free!"

Often with a picture of a badass spacewolf, an apothecary, a vampire special character, stuff like that. Not quite the model you'd get I reckon, but hey. Has anyone tried to take up those offers? Or are they from when the books were printed a while ago and they don't do it anymore.

They still do it. You get a push fit Space Marine with a bolter. They used to give you some model from the starter, but I guess now they've made a single frame push fit Bolter marine for this purpose.

You can still buy those push fit marines in 5-packs.

Three actually..

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440273a&prodId=prod1630084

 greenskin lynn wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd rather a game about the Inquisition than Blood Bowl.

what about a game about the inquisition playing blood bowl

I want a game of 2 Inquisitors fighting over whether to play "Blood Bowl" or Gorkamorka".

 Nicorex wrote:

 greenskin lynn wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd rather a game about the Inquisition than Blood Bowl.

what about a game about the inquisition playing blood bowl

I want a game of 2 Inquisitors fighting over whether to play "Blood Bowl" or Gorkamorka".

Never before a nobler reason for an Exterminatus existed.

I'd be ALL over this. Fingers crossed that it's true. I'll buy it even if it's a 1 shot release.

yukihyou wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I'm a bit more worried about it being based off the Blanche artwork. I realize there are lots of people out there who like his stuff but I'm definitely not one of them. For me, the Blanche Black Library
art book was an instant sell whereas the Goodwin one was a definite keeper.

Remember Femme Militant? they were rather sub par too.

And Necrons, were they sub-par? The original 54mm Inquisitor models? The Vostroyans?

People seem to keep conveniently forgetting that JB does a lot of concept work for GW, for all their systems, and that's on top of being one of the artists responsible for establishing the overall aesthetic of both main IPs. But then I suppose it would be more difficult to deride his work as "scribbles" or cherrypick the poorly executed stuff if people acknowledged that stuff they actually like had its origins in his designs.

You can dislike his work if you like, no style of art is to everyone's taste, but it's irritating how many people pretend that their opinion of his work is based on some objective standard.

Possibly this release is the reason for the minor inclusion of blanchitsu in the new white dwarf, this rumour is awesome.

 Yodhrin wrote:

yukihyou wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I'm a bit more worried about it being based off the Blanche artwork. I realize there are lots of people out there who like his stuff but I'm definitely not one of them. For me, the Blanche Black Library
art book was an instant sell whereas the Goodwin one was a definite keeper.

Remember Femme Militant? they were rather sub par too.

And Necrons, were they sub-par? The original 54mm Inquisitor models? The Vostroyans?

People seem to keep conveniently forgetting that JB does a lot of concept work for GW, for all their systems, and that's on top of being one of the artists responsible for establishing the overall aesthetic of both main IPs. But then I suppose it would be more difficult to deride his work as "scribbles" or cherrypick the poorly executed stuff if people acknowledged that stuff they actually like had its origins in his designs.

You can dislike his work if you like, no style of art is to everyone's taste, but it's irritating how many people pretend that their opinion of his work is based on some objective standard.

SIgh, I love blanches sob artwork, his Necromunda artwork. I just think that when they literally convert his artwork, to figures it misses. He should be an inspiration, but not the only one.

yukihyou wrote:

Remember Femme Militant? they were rather sub par too.

Erm, what? They were pretty amazing. Granted, I've seen only pictures of the models, but they looked great.

Blanche's vision is what makes 40K unique, without him it would be way blander and quite boring. Blanchitsu is the reason I still buy WD occasionally.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How does being limited edition or not depending on sales even work? I'm pretty sure you can't market something as limited edition and then continue making it if it sells well...?

They produce it as a Limited Edition, then if it sells enough, they release a Retail Edition. They already technically do it with the starter boxes.

 Crimson wrote:

yukihyou wrote:

Remember Femme Militant? they were rather sub par too.

Erm, what? They were pretty amazing. Granted, I've seen only pictures of the models, but they looked great.

Blanche's vision is what makes 40K unique, without him it would be way blander and quite boring. Blanchitsu is the reason I still buy WD occasionally.

Femme Militant minis were awesome concepts, and sculpts...
they look like my vision of 40k, the non-kidsafe version...
one of my favorite run of minis, ever...

cheers
jah

Well, they can't just produce a limited edition and have a retail edition pop out a month later. Production takes some time.

I like the look of the Femme Militant models, but I think they'd dial it back a bit from that, especially if it was for something intended as a "gateway" game. I think the Dark Vengeance cultists are very Blanche inspired, and that's more what I'm looking at.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Well, they can't just produce a limited edition and have a retail edition pop out a month later. Production takes some time.

The newest starter set disagrees.

Limited Edition sets that turn out to be ... not exactly limited are a staple of modern marketing.

Depending on how much shame they have, GW could include an extra figure or 2 in the Ltd Edition box, and simply drop them from a 2nd edition, like they did with Dark Vengeance.

These days, origination costs on print are minimal, so changing the box art, or else just putting a sticker on the first print run, would present minimal hassle.

 Crimson wrote:

yukihyou wrote:

Remember Femme Militant? they were rather sub par too.

Erm, what? They were pretty amazing. Granted, I've seen only pictures of the models, but they looked great.

Blanche's vision is what makes 40K unique, without him it would be way blander and quite boring. Blanchitsu is the reason I still buy WD occasionally.

They were an odd scale for 1, for 2 it was impossible to get / find and for 3 I believe only 3 were ever made / were made available... I only saw the rat girl, mona and one more. They were really odd, disproportionate legs and bodies. again if they had taken it as an inspiration and not literal i think they would have been received better.


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I found this picture, but seeing this now makes me see them in a more favorable light. http://www.ageofstrife.com/gallery/v/Spack/Spack144/Spack90/Spack94/IMG_1999.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1

I believe they were much bigger than gw's usual scale.

yukihyou wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

yukihyou wrote:

Remember Femme Militant? they were rather sub par too.

Erm, what? They were pretty amazing. Granted, I've seen only pictures of the models, but they looked great.

Blanche's vision is what makes 40K unique, without him it would be way blander and quite boring. Blanchitsu is the reason I still buy WD occasionally.

They were an odd scale for 1, for 2 it was impossible to get / find and for 3 I believe only 3 were ever made. They were really odd, disproportionate legs and bodies. again if they had taken it as an inspiration and not literal i think they would have been received better.

There were 10 made:

Mary Bones
Bathorii
Cratchyng
Cataphractii
Praytorian
Ratspyke
Panthera
Gallowglass
Pythone
Varangii

 Platuan4th wrote:

yukihyou wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

yukihyou wrote:

Remember Femme Militant? they were rather sub par too.

Erm, what? They were pretty amazing. Granted, I've seen only pictures of the models, but they looked great.

Blanche's vision is what makes 40K unique, without him it would be way blander and quite boring. Blanchitsu is the reason I still buy WD occasionally.

They were an odd scale for 1, for 2 it was impossible to get / find and for 3 I believe only 3 were ever made. They were really odd, disproportionate legs and bodies. again if they had taken it as an inspiration and not literal i think they would have been received better.

There were 10 made:

Mary Bones
Bathorii
Cratchyng
Cataphractii
Praytorian
Ratspyke
Panthera
Gallowglass
Pythone
Varangii

Only ever saw the 3 I mentioned. not sure why.

 pretre wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Well, they can't just produce a limited edition and have a retail edition pop out a month later. Production takes some time.

The newest starter set disagrees.

With that it was pretty obvious they had a stockpile of them lying around - GW was planning on selling that set for years and planned accordingly. From the sounds of people in this thread, they're thinking it'll be a Space Hulk-style release where they'll only make more if it sells well. I'm hoping it'll be something that they're prepared to sell for years to come so it'll stay in production a while.

If this new game is supposed to be a gateway product for GW, I wouldn't expect actual rules and product support. Annual or biannual refreshes of the box are more likely. Start with Inquisition and Chaos Cults, do a Genestealer Cult and a Kill Squad next year and so on. Have it on the shelves for the new meat and make it tempting for the old vultures with new content.

Then again, perhaps GW wants a slice of the skirmish market and figured out they don't run the risk of cannibalising their core system sales with a product targeted at a different demographic.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
If this new game is supposed to be a gateway product for GW, I wouldn't expect actual rules and product support. Annual or biannual refreshes of the box are more likely. Start with Inquisition and Chaos Cults, do a Genestealer Cult and a Kill Squad next year and so on. Have it on the shelves for the new meat and make it tempting for the old vultures with new content.

Then again, perhaps GW wants a slice of the skirmish market and figured out they don't run the risk of cannibalising their core system sales with a product targeted at a different demographic.

if it got expansions, id buy it.

If it got those expansions in particular, hell yes.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

Motograter wrote:
This is supposedly a gateway game that will always be available. Nothing like space hulk

Says who? You're projecting the collective hopes of a few starry-eyed dreamers for a new GW paradigm, supported with no justification whatsoever.

Says no one which is why I said supposedly. Did not claim it as fact. Might wanna read what someone says I.

 Yodhrin wrote:
People seem to keep conveniently forgetting that JB does a lot of concept work for GW, for all their systems, and that's on top of being one of the artists responsible for establishing the overall aesthetic of both main IPs.

And?

No one's making literal translations of his scribble art. Vostroyans are about the most Blanche-esque miniatures in the whole 40K range and they're great, but they're someone's interpretation of his artwork, not his artwork made 3D.


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 pretre wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Well, they can't just produce a limited edition and have a retail edition pop out a month later. Production takes some time.

The newest starter set disagrees.

Not really.

I agree with H.B.M.C. ,
Never liked his unfinished art style, it all looks like doodles to me.
On the other hand i love his Blanchitsu stuff, his mini's look far better than his artwork IMHO, if the boxed set look like that or like the mechanicus designs of a disturbed dakkadakka member, i would snatch it up in no time!

@Jehan: check Blanche's earlier stuff...
the unfinished, pen-sketch, style is fairly new...
i'm a fan of it, but i prefer the previous 20 years of painting he produced for the books and box covers...
his Knight Panther is still on of my favorite paintings, and Mike McVey did an amazing mini based on the art...

his concept art may not be to everyone's taste...
it just a shame that so many people seem to think that he isn't a very accomplished painter, because his paintings are amazing, and tiny...

cheers
jah

Blanche's artwork always tends to be very hit-or-miss for me, and most of the time I find it easier to be critical of his work. That said, he definitely knows how to put a lot of soul into his work, and what he makes is rarely uninteresting.

Say what you will about his technical presentation, the aesthetic he creates is very iconic. He's all about great concepts above everything else.

 jah-joshua wrote:
@Jehan: check Blanche's earlier stuff...
the unfinished, pen-sketch, style is fairly new...
i'm a fan of it, but i prefer the previous 20 years of painting he produced for the books and box covers...
his Knight Panther is still on of my favorite paintings, and Mike McVey did an amazing mini based on the art...

his concept art may not be to everyone's taste...
it just a shame that so many people seem to think that he isn't a very accomplished painter, because his paintings are amazing, and tiny...

cheers
jah

While the recent stuff doesn't enthrall me, I love the illustrations he did for the 'Sorcery' choose-you-own-adventure type series over twenty years ago. I spent hours poring over those drawings. Very detailed and refined. He did some very nice Lord of the Rings work back in the day as well.

Take a look through art history and many, many artists loosen up their style as they get older.

That's not necessarily a sign of a decrease in quality, mind you.