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Look pretty special matey. Excellent work.

Taps will be interesting.

Sinky sink of sinking feelings of sinkness.

Camkierhi wrote:Look pretty special matey. Excellent work.

Taps will be interesting.

Thanks Cam. Still not looked at taps yet...

cormadepanda wrote:Sinky sink of sinking feelings of sinkness.

More Sink in Progress for you.

Well, a little progress. I've been making copies of the better basin and the pedestals using the amazing stuff that is Oyumaru (I love this stuff).


They are not the best of casts, but they will be touched up and sanded down and I will hopefully get a couple of good casting masters out of them which I will then make a silicone mould from.

There's also something else I want to make before I get around to the moulding and casting stage though.

Well, this update pleases me. Instant mold is awesome.

good stuff! I'd love to get my hands on a few, I have a few ideas for them and the toilets.

Looks like polymorph, http://www.rapidonline.com/design-technology/polymorph-polymer-34444 Really useful stuff, a mate of mine gave me a pile.

I take it it's a thermoplastic like that?

I like how detailed even the stands are...

Hi, sorry I was distracted by my dozer blade work...

cormadepanda wrote:Well, this update pleases me. Instant mold is awesome.

Thanks. Yes it is.

OneManNoodles wrote:good stuff! I'd love to get my hands on a few, I have a few ideas for them and the toilets.

Looks like polymorph, http://www.rapidonline.com/design-technology/polymorph-polymer-34444 Really useful stuff, a mate of mine gave me a pile.

I take it it's a thermoplastic like that?

Thanks. Good to hear.
Yeah, it looks like a similar stuff, a heat softened polymer. It looks like that stuff has a lower temperature for it's transition than Oyumaru (which is about 70degC)
Oyumaru is the Chinese version of Instant mold.
The pack looks like this:

I got it off ebay.

Viktor von Domm wrote:I like how detailed even the stands are...

Thanks. Well the sinks in-game have a pipe connection out the back of the pedestal, so it must be added.

I've had a few problems getting a good cast of the sinks, but I now have that pretty much sorted.
I also remembered to add location details on the bottom of the basin and top of the pedestal, so that the position is obvious.

Still more work to be done on these to tidy them up, but here's the progress so far.

...so I totally read 'sinks', thought you meant 'skinks' like the Lizardmen, and found actual miniature sinks. What will people come up with next?

 scuzz_bucket wrote:
...so I totally read 'sinks', thought you meant 'skinks' like the Lizardmen, and found actual miniature sinks. What will people come up with next?

lol
I have a long list of things to make, it's just a matter of time before I get around to it.

Sinks - not something I ever thought I'd see someone modelling in 40k...

Oyumaru - awesome stuff and half the price of Instamold!

I too, was distracted by your dozer blade work - very clever construction.

Fantastic!! I can't wait to be your first customer!

Sinks? Why?

Because of humans, and hygiene being important to our survival. And rads.

Where else do you wash your hands after using the Dr's toilets? Ofcourse you need sinks. It is what all those ruins have been missing for all these years. Broken down old buildings always have the bathroom exposed.

Sinks look fantastic, I will definately be ordering up some of these.

^^^Wash?... Hands? ... What is this odd notion?

Have to admit, pretty cool. If you can do stuff like that to scale, people who do other sorts of modelling (dollhouses, larger scale railroad, etc) may be interested too. This hobby of ours encompasses a pretty small group. Cast a wider net for more fish, er potential customers.

Lamby wrote:Sinks - not something I ever thought I'd see someone modelling in 40k...

It's not something I thought I'd be modelling
Not just for 40k though. They are just at that scale.

Oyumaru - awesome stuff and half the price of Instamold!

That's why I got it and not Instantmold.

I too, was distracted by your dozer blade work - very clever construction.

Thanks Lamby.

dsteingass wrote:Fantastic!! I can't wait to be your first customer!

Good to hear.

Retrogamer0001 wrote:Sinks? Why?

Partly the below, and that when I started out with making things to sell, I asked what people wanted to buy. The first answers I got were for boxes/crates and toilets (specifically those to match Fallout). Once I'd made the toilets, I had to continue to complete the bathroom items and produce a complete set.
These and the other things I sell (currently boxes) and plan to make and sell are all to add that extra level of detail to terrain features or model bases. You could represent a ruin with two walls with a few cracks in, or you could make a ruin as you would find in reality with old/unused/broken tables, chairs, toilets, sinks and baths... These things don't disappear just because the building got hit with a shell. Little details make all the difference in modelling.

dsteingass wrote:Because of humans, and hygiene being important to our survival. And rads.

Camkierhi wrote:Where else do you wash your hands after using the Dr's toilets? Ofcourse you need sinks. It is what all those ruins have been missing for all these years. Broken down old buildings always have the bathroom exposed.

Sinks look fantastic, I will definately be ordering up some of these.

Thanks Cam. Good to hear.

Red Harvest wrote:^^^Wash?... Hands? ... What is this odd notion?

Have to admit, pretty cool. If you can do stuff like that to scale, people who do other sorts of modelling (dollhouses, larger scale railroad, etc) may be interested too. This hobby of ours encompasses a pretty small group. Cast a wider net for more fish, er potential customers.

Thanks Red.
Yeah, that is part of the long term plan. Need to build up a good stock collection and practice my carving/sculpting before branching out. There are so many things I want to make I could do with many more hands and the time to use them...

 Dr H wrote:
Need to build up a good stock collection and practice my carving/sculpting before branching out. There are so many things I want to make I could do with many more hands and the time to use them...

Sounds familiar .

Sinks look almost finished, so put me down for your second customer and thanks for the oyumaru tip.

I've had a look at making the fittings for the sinks.
Part way through the carving of the sprue spout I remembered that wire would be easier to use in scale.
The paperclip appears to be the best as it's slightly thicker than the copper wire I have. I will add a thicker end to the spout with some putty to give it a proper spout look.

The taps are still a wip here. I will make quite a few and then pick the best of the ones that don't break (I had one break today).
These are cut from a half-thickness piece of sprue and then sanded smooth and round and thinner. They will be then mounted on a short length of wire to make the final pieces.

Progressing nicely....agree that the paperclip looks to be the best fit...not hollow though

Good luck casting those, I was just thinking about making my own.

 OneManNoodles wrote:

 Dr H wrote:
Need to build up a good stock collection and practice my carving/sculpting before branching out. There are so many things I want to make I could do with many more hands and the time to use them...

Sounds familiar .

Sinks look almost finished, so put me down for your second customer and thanks for the oyumaru tip.

They are not far off. The fittings need to be done first and I have something else I want to make first before moulding and casting (as the resin needs to be used once it's open). I will let you all know when they are ready.

The detail that Oyumaru picks up is great. You do have to make sure you get it into all the corners to get a good mould.
It's silicone as well, so things like GS and milliput don't stick to it. It's reusable and you can chop it up to make 2-part moulds and then stick it back together to make larger moulds.
So far, after many uses, the bits I've been using (there are some in that pack that I haven't touched yet) still work as well as the first time.
You can't use it for resin casting really, as the heat of the curing will likely soften the Oyumaru and you loose the detail in the mould.


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monkeytroll wrote:Progressing nicely....agree that the paperclip looks to be the best fit...not hollow though

Ta.
The putty versions will be though, or at least look it...

OneManNoodles wrote:Good luck casting those, I was just thinking about making my own.

Yeah, they are going to be the main challenge. I think it's possible though.

At first I thought "what the hell?" but now that I see what you're doing, I think it's great on so many levels. How much are you going to be selling the sink and toilet combos for?

 Azazelx wrote:
At first I thought "what the hell?" but now that I see what you're doing, I think it's great on so many levels. How much are you going to be selling the sink and toilet combos for?

I seem to get that often with my modelling. Thanks.
It depends on how much resin is required per sink (which I won't know until I've done the moulds), but they should be similar to the toilets.
The Tainted toilets (the ones based on Fallout) are currently going for £0.80 each, or £2 for 3 (as they are cast on a sprue of 3, makes life easier for everyone).
So if the sinks use about the same amount of resin and end up at 80p each, then I may do a sink and toilet together for £1.50... They may use less and therefore it'll be less overall. I'm also planning a sprue of 3 for the sinks and so some offer for 3 of each may also happen.

I've found a better way to make the taps.
Rather than cut a square and then cut the shape out of that, I've been cutting grooves into the sides of a piece of sprue, rounding the exposed edges and then cutting the tap off. A little more sanding and then drill a central hole and you have much more standardised taps.

They still need a little more work, but I should be able to get a good pair out of those.

Well that is amazing.

Good job, works for me.

Thanks Co'tor and Cam.

The taps needed a fair amount of sanding down to get them in scale (and so they didn't catch on the edge of the sink...) and I've now added the rod for them.

I also made a full set of 6 and I've made the spouts for all 3 sinks.


However, putting these 3 sinks together (without glue) has left me with a question.
Should I have the taps separate, or have them moulded on to the basin?

The thing is, they are quite difficult to stick in the hole and require the use of tweezers. Many of you will have a set of tweezers and some of you may use them regularly. But from comments I've seen about DDakka, many people don't seem comfortable with handling very small parts of models, especially those that only have experience with GW models and not with Airfix etc... kits (that often come with many small parts). I don't really want to put people off by using small parts and the difference in the final models will only be very slight. They will also be much easier to cast...

To give an idea of scale, the white rod that is through the centre of the taps is 0.5mm (0.02") and sticks out the back of the tap by about 1mm. They are very tiny pieces.

What do we think;
Separate, easily lost, easily catapulted across a room, slightly sticking out, taps...
Or easy, not all that different looking, moulded on taps... ?

Good job...sinks look great with the works in place

Will they cast with the taps in situ? Won't that create undercuts?

 monkeytroll wrote:
Good job...sinks look great with the works in place

Will they cast with the taps in situ? Won't that create undercuts?

Thanks.
They will have to be flat on the surface and not stick out like they can if I do them separate. That's the trade-off.

Well if they cast well, i may need a few sinks.

 cormadepanda wrote:
Well if they cast well, i may need a few sinks.

Thanks Comrade. Everybody needs a few sinks.

While I decide upon the tap on or tap off casting of the sinks (hint hint) and before I start on the next item (which I need to do a few scale calculations for), I made a quick extra item for the set...

Can anyone tell what it is though?