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 puma713 wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

Suit: Sir, people hate our new Warhammer Visions magazine.
Kirby: How could they hate it?
Suit: Well, sir... they can see pictures just like it for free on those internet sites we pretend don't exist, and they tend to be better quality. And they can find out how to actually paint like that, versus just looking at the pretty pictures.
Kirby: Curse those internet sites! I know, we'll claim IP infringement for those sites showing our miniatures without our permission! That way the ONLY way anyone can see our miniatures is through publications that we control such as Warhammer Visions, our website and via our stores. That will show them!
Suit: Brilliant, sir! Everyone will have to buy Warhammer Visions now! What alternatives do they have?
Both: *cackling laughter*

Nah, no need to fret over this scenario. It is obvious that no one at GW corporate has any idea what we like and what we don't.

I think its obvious now that GW know exactly what we like and what we don't. The problem is we have no idea what we like and don't like so GW must tell us.

Flicked through White Dwarf today. It was ok for what it was and marginally better than what they've producing since the last re-launch. It's the kind of content they should be putting on their website for free.

Noted several others flicking through it and then putting it back.

Warhammer: Visions is an awesome magazine. Literally awe-inspiring. It's a painting and hobby journal and is damn inspiring. i thought I would not like it. I am old and have memories of White Dwarf being, hands-down, the best thing printed on news stands. I actually like this last year of White Dwarf compared to the 2 or 3 years previous and am extremely sad to see it go. That being said, I like having the option to buy the promo pamphlet that is the new White Dwarf that features only the models I am going to buy to use as a painting/collector guide or not. Visions has excellent production value. I saw a ton of inspiring stuff in Visions. Once I had it in my hands, I knew it was quality. I would love to have a subscription to this monthly tome of inspiration. I hate that the classic beloved White Dwarf is gone. Especially since this last year of it was actually pretty good, from a hobbyist/painter perspective. White Dwarf is dead, long live White Dwarf! The White Dwarf of old has been undead for years. Visions probably wont last for very long, considering all the hatred it's generated. I suggest you get a copy in your hands just before sitting down for a painting session. Then judge it from that POV. It's an excellent magazine.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Warhammer: Visions is an awesome magazine. Literally awe-inspiring. It's a painting and hobby journal and is damn inspiring. i thought I would not like it. I am old and have memories of White Dwarf being, hands-down, the best thing printed on news stands. I actually like this last year of White Dwarf compared to the 2 or 3 years previous and am extremely sad to see it go. That being said, I like having the option to buy the promo pamphlet that is the new White Dwarf that features only the models I am going to buy to use as a painting/collector guide or not. Visions has excellent production value. I saw a ton of inspiring stuff in Visions. Once I had it in my hands, I knew it was quality. I would love to have a subscription to this monthly tome of inspiration. I hate that the classic beloved White Dwarf is gone. Especially since this last year of it was actually pretty good, from a hobbyist/painter perspective. White Dwarf is dead, long live White Dwarf! The White Dwarf of old has been undead for years. Visions probably wont last for very long, considering all the hatred it's generated. I suggest you get a copy in your hands just before sitting down for a painting session. Then judge it from that POV. It's an excellent magazine.

Hi Mr Bickham

I think a weekly WD, at a reduced price, is something I'd consider buying, so long as I could browse it first. It wouldn't be an every-week purchase though because by default there wouldn't be something for me every week.

I wouldn't buy Warhammer: Visions when I can get much the same quality of pictures on the Internet, with some help on painting to that standard included.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Warhammer: Visions is an awesome magazine. Literally awe-inspiring. It's a painting and hobby journal and is damn inspiring. i thought I would not like it. I am old and have memories of White Dwarf being, hands-down, the best thing printed on news stands. I actually like this last year of White Dwarf compared to the 2 or 3 years previous and am extremely sad to see it go. That being said, I like having the option to buy the promo pamphlet that is the new White Dwarf that features only the models I am going to buy to use as a painting/collector guide or not. Visions has excellent production value. I saw a ton of inspiring stuff in Visions. Once I had it in my hands, I knew it was quality. I would love to have a subscription to this monthly tome of inspiration. I hate that the classic beloved White Dwarf is gone. Especially since this last year of it was actually pretty good, from a hobbyist/painter perspective. White Dwarf is dead, long live White Dwarf! The White Dwarf of old has been undead for years. Visions probably wont last for very long, considering all the hatred it's generated. I suggest you get a copy in your hands just before sitting down for a painting session. Then judge it from that POV. It's an excellent magazine.

I get it. It's opposite day!

I kept waiting for the punchline.

Or the "Not Sure If Serious" meme.

Or both!

Sounds more like a brochure they'd have next to the till in a shop...money for old rope.

 Fezman wrote:
Sounds more like a brochure they'd have next to the till in a shop...money for old rope.

At least you can smoke hemp.

Fortunately EyeofTerror has to be joking.

LOL! You guys are the punchline! It's funny how cynical everyone is. This magazine delivers what it promises. The only things I see to not like about it is;

-It's not the White Dwarf of 10 years ago
-It marks the end of a more classic format of White Dwarf
-It's not White Dwarf
-It's not free

If it were the magazine I truly wanted, it would be a model masterclass journal from Forge World and 'eavy Metal. It's not that. It's not trying to be that. It's a quality printing. It is page after page of glamour shots of my favorite models painted to a very high standard featuring incredible displays and dioramas. There is even a small amount of kit bashing in there. There are no ads. What's not to love? The real issue here is that most of us want to stab GW in the face for their hubris and while they are wasting time on this inconsequential publication, they could be addressing the real problems with the company. Am I right? Why wouldn't you love this? I can still be found nose deep in the citadel catalog from 1996, so yes, gimme pictures of some of the coolest Sh*t ever made.

Visions vs The Internet? An absolute ridiculous comparison. The internet is a terrible magazine and visions is a terrible internet. If that is your reason for not liking this magazine, then why ever read any magazine if you have the internet?

Anyway, that's my review. I'm not sure why I felt that I had to defend my unbiased opinion, but there you have it.

You don't have to defend your opinion, I'm glad you like it. I think you are very much in the minority however. A minority of one, even. But more power to you.

I can't see WHV lasting long however. I cancelled my long running subscription today and I am sure I am not the only one. For once, people aren't threatening to cancel as an empty gesture; this change has been a tipping point for many.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Warhammer: Visions is an awesome magazine. Literally awe-inspiring. It's a painting and hobby journal and is damn inspiring. i thought I would not like it. I am old and have memories of White Dwarf being, hands-down, the best thing printed on news stands. I actually like this last year of White Dwarf compared to the 2 or 3 years previous and am extremely sad to see it go. That being said, I like having the option to buy the promo pamphlet that is the new White Dwarf that features only the models I am going to buy to use as a painting/collector guide or not. Visions has excellent production value. I saw a ton of inspiring stuff in Visions. Once I had it in my hands, I knew it was quality. I would love to have a subscription to this monthly tome of inspiration. I hate that the classic beloved White Dwarf is gone. Especially since this last year of it was actually pretty good, from a hobbyist/painter perspective. White Dwarf is dead, long live White Dwarf! The White Dwarf of old has been undead for years. Visions probably wont last for very long, considering all the hatred it's generated. I suggest you get a copy in your hands just before sitting down for a painting session. Then judge it from that POV. It's an excellent magazine.

Poe's law in play here?

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
LOL! You guys are the punchline! It's funny how cynical everyone is. This magazine delivers what it promises. The only things I see to not like about it is;

-It's not the White Dwarf of 10 years ago
-It marks the end of a more classic format of White Dwarf
-It's not White Dwarf
-It's not free

We know. Just when we thought GW had managed to hit rock bottom with it, they've gone and found the basement.

 carlos13th wrote:


Poe's law in play here?

Seriously cracking my up. I wish I was joking now. It would make my comment hilarious. Still, it can never be as hilarious as the lynch mob that is Dakka, torches and pitch forks in hand, "KILL THE BEAST!", ready to storm GW to draw and quarter Jack Kirby. (I call him Jack cuz he's an ass. Usually referred to as "Jack F'ing Kirby". No disrespect to the King)

I love Dakka. Mad entertainment for my lunch break. OT - This is some delicious Pho.

The other meme that immediately came to mind was:



But hey, one man's poison another man's meat, one man's agony, another man's treat!

 Alpharius wrote:
The other meme that immediately came to mind was:



But hey, one man's poison another man's meat, one man's agony, another man's treat!

Are you referencing a Bauhaus song? Those Indians....

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
It is page after page of glamour shots of my favorite models painted to a very high standard featuring incredible displays and dioramas.

Which is fine... except that those models being available to look at for free on the internet already makes buying the magazine somewhat redundant, surely?

The real issue here is that most of us want to stab GW in the face for their hubris and while they are wasting time on this inconsequential publication, they could be addressing the real problems with the company. Am I right?

No, not really. The issue is GW taking White Dwarf and, instead of fixing the issues with it, swapping it out for an expensive magazine full of images that can be found on the internet for free, and shifting White Dwarf into a weekly format that can only be bought in store alongside the new releases it is supposed to be promoting.

Both of those changes just seem completely ridiculous.

...then why ever read any magazine if you have the internet?

Indeed. The very reason that the printed periodical industry is faltering, and why the logic behind releasing an inferior product at a higher price boggles the mind.

I'm not sure why I felt that I had to defend my unbiased opinion, ...

You didn't have to. You're free to your opinion, just as others are free to disagree with it.

 Flashman wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Yeah, that's what I figured.

Not sure why they asked for feedback or what they're getting out of it...

I'm sure they can get all the feedback they want by a cursory glance at the interwebs... but of course they'd never peruse these sites would they

I vaguely recall Dakka Dakka being mentioned in White Dwarf once many years ago as being a great place to discuss and explore the games further. Am I wrong? Other sites like Bolter and Chainsword and Druchii.net have definitely had a name drop in the distant past.

Druchii.net helped FAQ and errata the Dark Elf army book (not the previous one, the one before that) once. Happy times...

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Warhammer: Visions is an awesome magazine. Literally awe-inspiring. It's a painting and hobby journal and is damn inspiring. i thought I would not like it. I am old and have memories of White Dwarf being, hands-down, the best thing printed on news stands. I actually like this last year of White Dwarf compared to the 2 or 3 years previous and am extremely sad to see it go. That being said, I like having the option to buy the promo pamphlet that is the new White Dwarf that features only the models I am going to buy to use as a painting/collector guide or not. Visions has excellent production value. I saw a ton of inspiring stuff in Visions. Once I had it in my hands, I knew it was quality. I would love to have a subscription to this monthly tome of inspiration. I hate that the classic beloved White Dwarf is gone. Especially since this last year of it was actually pretty good, from a hobbyist/painter perspective. White Dwarf is dead, long live White Dwarf! The White Dwarf of old has been undead for years. Visions probably wont last for very long, considering all the hatred it's generated. I suggest you get a copy in your hands just before sitting down for a painting session. Then judge it from that POV. It's an excellent magazine.

It's good that you enjoyed it. I think a lot of people had expected something vastly different which has lead to the colossal disappointment that you are seeing now.

I don't hate the idea of Visions I just think the execution isn't fully for me. I can imagine Visions working very well if they previewed the following months models in it with some design studio art and descriptions from the team.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
LOL! You guys are the punchline! It's funny how cynical everyone is. This magazine delivers what it promises. The only things I see to not like about it is;

-It's not the White Dwarf of 10 years ago
-It marks the end of a more classic format of White Dwarf
-It's not White Dwarf
-It's not free

If it were the magazine I truly wanted, it would be a model masterclass journal from Forge World and 'eavy Metal. It's not that. It's not trying to be that. It's a quality printing. It is page after page of glamour shots of my favorite models painted to a very high standard featuring incredible displays and dioramas. There is even a small amount of kit bashing in there. There are no ads. What's not to love? The real issue here is that most of us want to stab GW in the face for their hubris and while they are wasting time on this inconsequential publication, they could be addressing the real problems with the company. Am I right? Why wouldn't you love this? I can still be found nose deep in the citadel catalog from 1996, so yes, gimme pictures of some of the coolest Sh*t ever made.

Visions vs The Internet? An absolute ridiculous comparison. The internet is a terrible magazine and visions is a terrible internet. If that is your reason for not liking this magazine, then why ever read any magazine if you have the internet?

Anyway, that's my review. I'm not sure why I felt that I had to defend my unbiased opinion, but there you have it.

The magazine format is a very bad one for the presentation of pictorial content.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The other meme that immediately came to mind was:



But hey, one man's poison another man's meat, one man's agony, another man's treat!

Are you referencing a Bauhaus song? Those Indians....

I was indeed - nice catch!

 EYEofTERROR wrote:

Visions vs The Internet? An absolute ridiculous comparison. The internet is a terrible magazine and visions is a terrible internet. If that is your reason for not liking this magazine, then why ever read any magazine if you have the internet?

You read a magazine for the quality of its journalism, I think for a lot of people that has to be the deciding factor. That's how a lot of magazines, regardless of the subject material they cover, have managed to persist despite the coming of the internet.

The problem with this is that in this new magazine there is zero journalism - you can find any pictures in this magazine online, and a whole lot more besides, which means that ultimately there is no purpose whatsoever for this new magazine's existence. Actually, I think magazine is the wrong word if one is going by the dictionary definition of the term. Catalogue/photo book(?) would be more appropriate.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Warhammer: Visions is an awesome magazine. Literally awe-inspiring. It's a painting and hobby journal and is damn inspiring. i thought I would not like it. I am old and have memories of White Dwarf being, hands-down, the best thing printed on news stands. I actually like this last year of White Dwarf compared to the 2 or 3 years previous and am extremely sad to see it go. That being said, I like having the option to buy the promo pamphlet that is the new White Dwarf that features only the models I am going to buy to use as a painting/collector guide or not. Visions has excellent production value. I saw a ton of inspiring stuff in Visions. Once I had it in my hands, I knew it was quality. I would love to have a subscription to this monthly tome of inspiration. I hate that the classic beloved White Dwarf is gone. Especially since this last year of it was actually pretty good, from a hobbyist/painter perspective. White Dwarf is dead, long live White Dwarf! The White Dwarf of old has been undead for years. Visions probably wont last for very long, considering all the hatred it's generated. I suggest you get a copy in your hands just before sitting down for a painting session. Then judge it from that POV. It's an excellent magazine.

I think its wonderful you've made so much progress that you're now allowed to communicate with people, even with the physical disconnect that the Internet provides.

You should, perhaps, let your carers know that you're not quite ready to fully integrate with society just yet, as I am concerned that you're not fully reconnected with reality.

I'm sure if you keep persevering you'll soon get there.

Wishing you good mental health

Dr azreal13

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
The internet is a terrible magazine and visions is a terrible internet.

Pure gold.

This is my new digital subscription to an alternate to Warhammer Visions.

It's a magazine that's 543447 pages, with additional pages written every few minutes and accessible right from a shortcut on my computers desktop.

Here's the link.

Enjoy!

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
It is page after page of glamour shots of my favorite models painted to a very high standard featuring incredible displays and dioramas.

....

I'm not sure why I felt that I had to defend my unbiased opinion, but there you have it.

Sorry but I'd just like to point out that maybe the reason your getting responses that make you feel that way is because your opinions don't read as unbiased in the slightest.

EYEofTERROR is so unbiased in his appreciation of GW that I wouldn't be surprised if he grounds up leftover GW sprues and snorts that gak.

Play nice children.... Grumpy's trying to sleep....

While I do not like what I am hearing about WV... if some folks think that it is worth the money for pretty pictures on a printed page... then more power to 'em.

If nothing else it may be something to hand to folks that want to know what can be done with those oddly shaped bits of metal and plastic that crowd your shelves.

I do expect this new magazine to be short lived, and I very much feel that the decision to convert White Dwarf subscriptions to a completely different freakin' type of magazine! was a terrible choice.

One that means that Warhammer Visions will not be judged on its own merits (or the lack thereof) but instead compared to the magazine that it is replacing.

They really should have just replaced the old White Dwarf with the new White Dwarf Weekly.

As it stands... I think that both magazines may have been doomed.

The Auld Grump

To be fair, there were some cool ork trukks in there, along with a few very nice golden demon winners. Its just too bad they couldnt write a few columns about how they were done and what inspired them.