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 Theophony wrote:
It's not blue table painting is it?

It's Awaken Realms, a Polish studio. They are also running their own, more successful, Kickstarter I believe based on that depressing video game whose name I forget

 Artemis Black wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
It's not blue table painting is it?

It's Awaken Realms, a Polish studio. They are also running their own, more successful, Kickstarter I believe based on that depressing video game whose name I forget

He was obviously being facetious. Google "Blue Table Painting Kickstarter" to see why.

If only Prodos had used Defiance Games as their US agent...

 RiTides wrote:



But I don't think it's possible to completely vilify one and give the others a pass, when all went through a similar rough patch - it just remains to be seen if Prodos/Archon can come out the other side. I think they can, but a lot will hinge on how they deliver Load!

Delivering LOAD if there are AvP backers still waiting on product won't save them. If they deliver LOAD and the game sucks, regardless of the figures, it will not save them but MAY force them to embrace the role of Figure Maker rather than game designers.

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
My issue with CMON was them selling the first boxes of zombiecide before delivering to backers.

I contacted them and complained about them selling before delivering to backers and they mocked me, refunded me and sold my pledge.

Saints compared to Prodos, but CMON are another company who don't deserve my money.
Proper bunch of wet ding dongs.

Panic...

Wet ding dongs is the best phrase I've heard this year. I'm going to use that.

As for Prodos, always thought they were a UK company, I only have experience from them from a 3rd party via Miniature-13. From their website (Prodos) they conduct work in the UK, US and Poland.

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
My issue with CMON was them selling the first boxes of zombiecide before delivering to backers.

I contacted them and complained about them selling before delivering to backers and they mocked me, refunded me and sold my pledge.

Saints compared to Prodos, but CMON are another company who don't deserve my money.
Proper bunch of wet ding dongs.

Panic...

Wet ding dongs is the best phrase I've heard this year. I'm going to use that.

As for Prodos, always thought they were a UK company, I only have experience from them from a 3rd party via Miniature-13. From their website (Prodos) they conduct work in the UK, US and Poland.

They're Polish. They had a UK office and have had UK partners etc. and now they have a US office but they're just 'offices' in the sense that they exist legally and are usually just a mail forwarding office for such a purpose. It allows you to operate on Kickstarter in pounds or dollars.

@Piston Honda

What @Artemis Black wrote, we searched this option in order to do something similar (so we could to operate a KS in GBP via a shell company of ours based in the UK) but at the end we found out it really wasn't worth the trouble.

As a side note, on the plus side the brittish accountant office we were in negotiations with informed us that this allowed the shell company a number of legal windows in distributing liabilities to the shell coorporation itself not-tied-with-the-mother-company-whatsoever; this is something which we really couldn't care less about since in our opinion a project creator must always hold himself liable regardless of legal windows available. It's not about being able to get away with it, it is about trust and that must be always honored.
Anyway, like I said this was really not worth going through with so we abbandoned the idea.

Now that this KS campaign is over, we hope all goes well with Archon and backers (and that means all backers, both current and previous) get what they pledged for. Good luck to everyone, here's hoping for the best! :-)

 Piston Honda wrote:

Wet ding dongs is the best phrase I've heard this year. I'm going to use that.

As for Prodos, always thought they were a UK company, I only have experience from them from a 3rd party via Miniature-13. From their website (Prodos) they conduct work in the UK, US and Poland.

Prodos Games Ltd (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08373380/filing-history) is a UK registered company that used to have a physical base in the UK but no longer does - the registered address is a post box service, There are no physical operations or employees in the UK, all employees and operations are now in Poland - all the UK and US based employees have either left or been dismissed. This is the company that licences Warzone and AvP and ran those Kickstarters. Initially this company claimed to own the Unicast production system and to have 30+ employees, it now claims to have only 4 employees.

Archon (http://www.krs-online.com.pl/archon-sp-z-o-o-krs-1325062.html) is a Polish based company whose shares are owned by Prodos Games Ltd, and some of the parents of the 2 directors of Prodos Games Ltd (going from memory on this so open to the exact ownership being very slightly different from this and happy to correct). This is the company that is running the Load kickstarter via a guy in Chicago calling himself CritonHit Games (Mihajlo Vlaskovic) - I don't believe this is a registered company. It is now claimed that Archon owns the Unicast production system and has 30 employees. Archon supposedly does the casting work for Prodos and a number of other companies, I'm not sure of this is just for Unicast or also the more traditional resin casting that Prodos uses and has undertaken for other parties.

 Artemis Black wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
It's not blue table painting is it?

It's Awaken Realms, a Polish studio. They are also running their own, more successful, Kickstarter I believe based on that depressing video game whose name I forget

Awaken Realms? They are amazing painters, some of the best imo. Would be very sad to see them go under from something like this.

Well, lookee here!

We are full in production, which is going as planned! Once it is finalized we will start preparing for shipping.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1915792245/load-the-board-game/posts/1721541

Next hurdle: The BGG "gameplay not miniatures" reviews.

MOD: Please move this topic to Other Boardgames. Thanks!

(Me, I cut off the C-note spigot from First Created KS's when my Z:BP mini's came in. And, yes, I haven't painted or played the game yet!

Received my pledge 2 weeks ago.

Beautiful product with great minis.

And I must admit it plays well and it is great fun.

Did someone played Load here?