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I just want you all to know that every time I see the title of this thread, as I'm scrolling through Dakka Discussions, my mind reads it as, "How do you spot a racist on the table top?"

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. . .

I take the stance that if someone is getting a recast of something that is still being actively sold by Games Workshop, then they are accessory to a crime since they are knowingly buying a stolen piece of art from a recaster that stole it from Games Workshop.

Now, if someone is buying a recast of something is no longer being sold by Games Workshop, like old Dogs of War models, then I would say that the person is simply buying them from an available source. In the end is the recaster still stealing something from GW? Yes, but the fact that GW isn't offering an opportunity to buy that product legitimately makes all the difference to me.

All that being said, I'm the fool who will wait on eBay and probably pay more than if he had just used a recaster for out-of-print models, but that's just me.

Edit I deleted the quote argh

Sorry for the first time I am using a phone on Dakka. It keeps changing words and is difficult to use, to say the least. Even deleting text from this quote took ages.

Some info on my, at one point I was buying $700 to $1000 of recasts per month, under multiple accounts, from China to Russia. It got out of hand, we all have a degree of toy soldier addiction here on Dakka. Mine got out of hand, as within a few months my recast colkect "exceeded" my legitimate Forgeworld. I felt this was ridiculous and have not only stopped. I am now slowly buying legit models of ALL of my recasts that i did not throw out.

That's because all recasters put addictive chemicals in to keep you buying...

 Howard A Treesong wrote:


The talk about DVD piracy makes me laugh as I've known people pirate stuff just because they wanted to watch the damn film be not be forced to sit through the anti-piracy stuff and adverts which you can't skip! There's a certain irony in forcing people who have brought the genuine product to sit through a lecture on piracy.

Wait, it gets better. The ad itself was a violation of copyright, hence why you can no longer find it on DVDs.

 Azreal13 wrote:
No, no, I was talking about some of the most prominent and largest recasters with the most extensive catalogues. There's no implication of shady dealing, but to imply that the QC or after sales is on a par with FW when it simply isn't, for a variety of reasons, is just plain wrong.

Peregrine's evidence may be anecdotal, but one has to consider at what point the anecdotal evidence becomes so common as to simply be "evidence."

Based on my experience, I'd dare to say that the quality control of a few certain recasters is actually quite a notch above FW.

As for evidence, out there you can find shady and unprofessional recasters, and also competent and professional ones. Just like there are competent and well managed "legal" companies, and then companies that try to sell you finecast as a premium.

In the end, all the recasting debate comes down to what Galas said in his post, and it's something that has been said quite a number of times before, yet many people still refuse to listen or believe: if it's profitable, someone will do it. There are things among GW's catalog which are sensibly priced (i.e. Black Ark Corsairs) and as such recasters don't bother with them. GW could kill recasters entirely if they just priced their products in a reasonable way. Of course they're entitled to ask as much money as they want for them, but then they need to be aware of how the current market operates. Leave room for someone to step in and get his share of the cake, and it will happen.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Ten years ago, Kromlech, Chapterhouse and the rest were all immoral IP thieves for using GW's design cues. I guess times change.

Part of why I stopped playing GW games - I really don't care what company makes somebody's figures,

I care that the figures are close to what they should represent.

I care if the figures look really good - then I will want to get some of my own!

So, my Mordheim warbands have minis from all over the place, while my Morka's are from Kromlech, driving a wartrukk made from a toy locomotive.

As for the 'collector's market'... I really don't care if every one of those folks that scalp out of print minis go bankrupt over night.

I don't buy either recasts or 'collector's market' minis - but, if anything, I feel that the recasters can actually claim the moral high ground over those parasites.

Me, I am all about the proxies.

The Auld Grump