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I'm hoping for a 'Mando with No-Name' type affair. At least for a bit.

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The problem is, Boba Fett is not a Mando because then by that, every single Republic Clone trooper was a Mandolorian. Cloning Han Solo doesn't automatically make the clone a Corellian.





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And Boba was never a Mandalorian.

It's covered Clone Wars, I think. Jango spent time on Concord Dawn - but was not a Mandalorian. Indeed, he's explicitly said not to be.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's covered Clone Wars, I think. Jango spent time on Concord Dawn - but was not a Mandalorian. Indeed, he's explicitly said not to be.

IIRC, the part where that gets complicated...

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is the fact that the guy arguing this case about Jango Fett is arguing the point that all Mandalorians (at the time of him speaking) are reformed and only want to cooperate peacefully and prosperously with the rest of the galaxy - an argument that also also excludes Deathwatch, a group of Mandalorian terrorists who dress and fight a lot like Jango Fett. He's also revealed to be the head of a black market ring.


Now, to be clear: Lucas and Lucasfilm clarified that Jango and by extension, Boba, were not actual Mandalorians, though they may claim to be - but as it stands the only time that message was delivered in universe it came from a liar who was employing the no true Scotsman fallacy. And its frustrating to a lot of people (myself included) since a lot of what people like about the Mandalorians comes from lore that was largely extrapolated from Boba Fett.

   
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https://ie.ign.com/articles/2019/09/04/the-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-sets-record-straight-on-how-his-character-differs-from-boba-fett

Our guy is a Mandalorian, and we definitely explore the culture of the Mandalorian," Favreau told Entertainment Weekly of his live-action series.

"Boba Fett is a clone, according to Attack of the Clones, and by asking [creator George Lucas], he would say Boba Fett is not Mandalorian, not born on Mandalore. He's more of a person indoctrinated into it, into the way of life, and gets a hold of the armor," Filoni added.
The team behind the new series went on to highlight some of the Mandalorian's contrasting attributes in comparison to Boba Fett, identifying Pascal's protagonist as more of a dark hero who is working in a ruthless time.

"Our guy is operating in a much more unforgiving landscape," Favreau revealed. "A place where survival is difficult enough, let alone flourishing in that atmosphere and the politics have dissolved. It's 'might is right.' And how does somebody earn a living when there's no structure to society anymore and everything is collapsing in on itself? How do you work your way through the world?

"Ultimately he wants to do the right thing," Pascal elaborated. "But his duties could very much be in conflict with his destiny and doing the right thing has many faces. It can be a very windy road."


So he's definitely not Boba then.

The Mandolorian series may touch on the start of the First Order.

New image of the Mandalorian fighting 2 Trandoshans. Ive seen it mentioned that it looks like someone posed some action figures for the image and now I cant unsee it.
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They don't look like Trandoshans?

Reptilian, sure, but nothing like Bossk.

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Which OT character established the Trandoshans, again? The lizard bounty hunter guy?

Looks to me more like the Mando is fighting a couple of Star Trek aliens.

   
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Which OT character established the Trandoshans, again? The lizard bounty hunter guy?

Looks to me more like the Mando is fighting a couple of Star Trek aliens.


Yeah, it should be Bossk you're referring to.

Tbh, the guys he's fighting remind me more of Hondo's type of species.

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Azreal13 wrote:They don't look like Trandoshans?

Reptilian, sure, but nothing like Bossk.


BobtheInquisitor wrote:Which OT character established the Trandoshans, again? The lizard bounty hunter guy?

Looks to me more like the Mando is fighting a couple of Star Trek aliens.


Bosk always looked like a Gorn, just better dressed.

It does look like these guys are made with heavy prosthetic makeup instead dof a rubber mask though - lefty has more chin than Bosk did but besides that the core Trandoshan features are the same.

The thing that's putting people off I think is the lack of eyes, which I guess they'll probably be adding in digitally.

   
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Not sure those are Trandoshans. The forearms lack the distinctive long forearms.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not sure those are Trandoshans. The forearms lack the distinctive long forearms.


Maybe, but that's also something that's easier to fix in post than it is to fake having fully articulated fingers.

   
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I think a minor redesign for TV almost *40 years* after TESB is a reasonable thing.

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If the redesign made them look better or took advantage of modern technology to achieve something that couldn't be done 40 years ago, then that would be understandable.

But it's a step backwards in design. These guys look far more like humans with a texture than the alien-looking Bossk. It would be like Star Trek giving us Klingons that were just guys in brown makeup again.


However, I'm starting to think these are more like Jabba's skiff-drivers than Bossk.

   
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Weequay? Yeah, that makes more sense.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
If the redesign made them look better or took advantage of modern technology to achieve something that couldn't be done 40 years ago, then that would be understandable.

But it's a step backwards in design. These guys look far more like humans with a texture than the alien-looking Bossk. It would be like Star Trek giving us Klingons that were just guys in brown makeup again.

However, I'm starting to think these are more like Jabba's skiff-drivers than Bossk.


Yeah, but they'd need these guys to do a lot more than stand around for a few seconds in a single scene. Static masks and obvious forearm sleeves aren't going to cut it. A slight redesign using makeup combined with CGI enhancements *would* be a big step forward, and allow the kind of action, expression, and numbers they'd need. And while I know the show has a massive budget, it would be a lot cheaper than going full CGI.

Or maybe they're a totally different alien, sure. I just think some tweaks would be pretty reasonable after four decades.

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I'm sure they've made tweaks to the Chewie costume to take advantage of advances in technology and budget since 1976.

He still looks like Chewie though.

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 DaveC wrote:
https://ie.ign.com/articles/2019/09/04/the-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-sets-record-straight-on-how-his-character-differs-from-boba-fett

Our guy is a Mandalorian, and we definitely explore the culture of the Mandalorian," Favreau told Entertainment Weekly of his live-action series.

"Boba Fett is a clone, according to Attack of the Clones, and by asking [creator George Lucas], he would say Boba Fett is not Mandalorian, not born on Mandalore. He's more of a person indoctrinated into it, into the way of life, and gets a hold of the armor," Filoni added.."




This is kind of a weird thing to say. Especially since various versions of the Mandalorian background are pretty explicit about them adopting outsiders AS Mandalorians... provided they prove themselves worthy.
That's the biggest element of the 'culture' in Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2.

Its even weirder when you consider the Clone Wars cartoon has the armored Mandalorians rejecting Mandalore's (the planet) pacifist culture. They're creating a weird throwback subculture that most 'born on Mandalore' would reject out of hand as terrorist scumbags, cowardly ones targeting pacifist civilians that pose no threat.


Its also a weird and regrettable take considering current identity politics. The idea that someone can't become a 'real' member of an adopted culture is a pretty extreme one.

Setting-wise, its a confusing mess of retcons and different attributes by different authors, one which resists a definitive answer.

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Definitely not Transdoshans.

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They look like they could easily be Trandosians. Let's not start that bs from Star Trek, where if it doesn't look exactly like the crummy makeup and rubber from the 70s it's not the same thing.

   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Not going to argue about it so don't at me; if a thing is fundamentally different, it's not the same thing, unless you explain it in the setting and in a plausible way.

Trandoshans have an established physical appearance, one that has seen variations before in the cartoons(so, much more recently than ESB) which nonetheless kept the basic parts of the concept intact. TCW had fat Transdoshans. Rebels had short Trandoshans. They still looked like Trandoshans, because despite not looking exactly like Bossk, they did retain the physical characteristics that made Bossk different from humans.

These "Trandoshans" don't do that. The feet, lower legs, and forearms are too small. They look like they have toes, not claws. They don't have a pronounced snout.

Could they be planning to "fix" them with CGI? They could, and I hope they do, but that seems like the sort of thing you might mention when releasing promotional images.

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 LordofHats wrote:
They look like they could easily be Trandosians. Let's not start that bs from Star Trek, where if it doesn't look exactly like the crummy makeup and rubber from the 70s it's not the same thing.


The vast majority of viewers won't care about some design tweaks for practicality and function. The rest...are how they are, and it'd be silly to invest in full CGI or a whole series of fully animatronic masks and arms just to keep them satisfied.

Besides, the ones pictured are part of a guardian caste within the Trandosian society that displays some slight physical differences.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
These "Trandoshans" don't do that. The feet, lower legs, and forearms are too small. They look like they have toes, not claws. They don't have a pronounced snout.


Looking at it again... Do they look like they have five fingers to you? Maybe they really aren't Trandoshans?

   
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 gorgon wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
They look like they could easily be Trandosians. Let's not start that bs from Star Trek, where if it doesn't look exactly like the crummy makeup and rubber from the 70s it's not the same thing.


The vast majority of viewers won't care about some design tweaks for practicality and function. The rest...are how they are, and it'd be silly to invest in full CGI or a whole series of fully animatronic masks and arms just to keep them satisfied.

Besides, the ones pictured are part of a guardian caste within the Trandosian society that displays some slight physical differences.


Is that canon?

Sorry if this comes across as a Richard Post, it’s not meant to be.

Just trying to figure out if I’ve missed stuff (I’ve been somewhat distracted of late). Wouldn’t be the first time!

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 gorgon wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
They look like they could easily be Trandosians. Let's not start that bs from Star Trek, where if it doesn't look exactly like the crummy makeup and rubber from the 70s it's not the same thing.


The vast majority of viewers won't care about some design tweaks for practicality and function. The rest...are how they are, and it'd be silly to invest in full CGI or a whole series of fully animatronic masks and arms just to keep them satisfied.

Besides, the ones pictured are part of a guardian caste within the Trandosian society that displays some slight physical differences.


Is that canon?

Sorry if this comes across as a Richard Post, it’s not meant to be.

Just trying to figure out if I’ve missed stuff (I’ve been somewhat distracted of late). Wouldn’t be the first time!


I'll answer your question with a question -- if it was canon, would it make folks feel better about shorter forearms?

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Or its a engineered intertubes buzz 'error', duly frothed over for free publicity, still could be worse could be Batwoman...(the highly engineered trigger trailers, im sure the show will be a perfectly average by the playbook cw effort)

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 gorgon wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
They look like they could easily be Trandosians. Let's not start that bs from Star Trek, where if it doesn't look exactly like the crummy makeup and rubber from the 70s it's not the same thing.


The vast majority of viewers won't care about some design tweaks for practicality and function. The rest...are how they are, and it'd be silly to invest in full CGI or a whole series of fully animatronic masks and arms just to keep them satisfied.

Besides, the ones pictured are part of a guardian caste within the Trandosian society that displays some slight physical differences.


Resorting to "the vast majority of people don't have any standards" is a pretty sad move just to try and make yourself look better than people who actually care for a setting and want to see it realised well.

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 gorgon wrote:
... and it'd be silly to invest in full CGI or a whole series of fully animatronic masks and arms just to keep them satisfied. .

There's a couple of issues there. For one, it's not 'silly' for a special-effects oriented production to invest in effects to make things look like their previous representations.

But if, for whatever reason, they don't want to make that investment, they can keep everyone happy by just, you know, not having them be Trandoshans...

 
   
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They go to the effort of making their new IG character look like an IG assassin droid, but somehow can't get Trandoshans to look like Trandoshans, despite numerous other appearances in canon besides ESB?

I don't buy it.

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 gorgon wrote:


Is that canon?

Sorry if this comes across as a Richard Post, it’s not meant to be.

Just trying to figure out if I’ve missed stuff (I’ve been somewhat distracted of late). Wouldn’t be the first time!


I'll answer your question with a question -- if it was canon, would it make folks feel better about shorter forearms?


If it's from the main source, then Trandoshans they are

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