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2022/01/02 12:46:27
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
wuestenfux wrote: The work horses in an actual GK army are the NDKs.
Without NDKs (and Dreads), there are no more heavy long-range hitters
since the light versions of the heavy weapons (psilencers, psycannons) are not good enough.
Just suppose that there were no NDK. Given this constraint, which with the incoming Tau codex perhaps is not a totally crazy scenario, which will be in your opinion the most optimal list?
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2022/01/21 17:03:02
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
wuestenfux wrote: The work horses in an actual GK army are the NDKs.
Without NDKs (and Dreads), there are no more heavy long-range hitters
since the light versions of the heavy weapons (psilencers, psycannons) are not good enough.
Just suppose that there were no NDK. Given this constraint, which with the incoming Tau codex perhaps is not a totally crazy scenario, which will be in your opinion the most optimal list?
Looking at a new, very shooty Tau army, NDKs seem to be rather vulnerable as some Tau weapons ignore inv. saves.
Here is my approximate list without vehicles (just one subfaction):
I definitely think there might be some play in NDK-less lists. Obviously people rightly latched onto maxed NDK+Interceptors, but it feels like list building innovation stopped there without mining other possibilities. With Tau and Eldar poised to make vehicles/centerpiece models moot, I think infantry-heavy, mortal-wound heavy lists might see new value.
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2022/01/22 04:59:27
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
What they did to GK with this detachment change was two-fold.
1st, the number of DKs we could take went from 6>4.I typically only use 5. They were not overly broken and a point increase would have been good.
2nd. I lose the ability to take 2 different KEY brotherhood spells, Aegis and Lodestone. I had these two different detachments designed for one to be very tanky and the other one very killy. Now that is completely F--Ked.
I do not see this changing anytime soon and I understand the need for balance, but the difference in power I now possess feels too bad to continue.
2022/01/22 07:27:10
Subject: Re:The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
Spamming DK's feels gamey to me, so I'm happy to see it go. Following the treatment of Ork Buggies, you can't be too surprised they limit us to 4 per detachment
We aren't alone in losing the benefits of dipping multiple sub-factions, and losing powers hurts. That said, I like having to pick a brotherhood and love it, warts and all.
It's debatable but I believe this affects Orks, Sisters, AdMech, and guard worse than it affects us. Prescient Brotherhood and Swordbearers remain viable as solo sub-factions still, and our greatest strength lies in our datasheets.
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2022/01/22 08:08:15
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
wuestenfux wrote: The work horses in an actual GK army are the NDKs.
Without NDKs (and Dreads), there are no more heavy long-range hitters
since the light versions of the heavy weapons (psilencers, psycannons) are not good enough.
Just suppose that there were no NDK. Given this constraint, which with the incoming Tau codex perhaps is not a totally crazy scenario, which will be in your opinion the most optimal list?
Looking at a new, very shooty Tau army, NDKs seem to be rather vulnerable as some Tau weapons ignore inv. saves.
Here is my approximate list without vehicles (just one subfaction):
I like the idea of the paladins. In my humble opinion, the biggest issue GK always got is resilience. Our units are more expensive but they die as easy as the other factions cheaper ones. Physic awakening helps us give to our Paladins a bunch of buffs that make them almost indestructible. 9th edition switches Paladins by NDK thanks to granting them 4+ invul saves. Without NDK I think that our best bet is paladins with a +0 save. Luckily things are not as daunting as pre Physic awakening as at least our troops have 1 extra wound across the board.
Is somebody knows if at least our vanilla terminators will see some points decrease?
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:I definitely think there might be some play in NDK-less lists. Obviously people rightly latched onto maxed NDK+Interceptors, but it feels like list building innovation stopped there without mining other possibilities. With Tau and Eldar poised to make vehicles/centerpiece models moot, I think infantry-heavy, mortal-wound heavy lists might see new value.
I think that this is actually a cool idea. Besides our beloved kamehameha librarian, which other cool combos do we have for this strategy?
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2022/01/22 13:35:50
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
Point increases concern competitive choices of GK armies.
But it's good to see Paladins going down 2 pts which provide a decent substitute of the 5th GMNDK when it comes to single subfaction.
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2022/03/19 09:15:24
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
I played SW, and took Crowe, a GMDK, a Strike Squad, a Purifier Squad, an Interceptor Squad and a Stormraven. Teleport Shunt and Sigil of Exigence let me take out a unit of dug-in long fangs with the GMDK on turn 1, and Sanctuary protected the Stormraven once it arrived on turn 2, allowing it to take a Stormfang down to 3 wounds. Purifying Flame from the Purifier Justicar then finished it off! The Purifiers and Interceptors took heavy losses, but took out a unit of thunderwolves before they could do any damage. It was then all over by the end of round 3 when the GMDK, supported by the Stormraven, took out Bjorn for the win
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What do you think about the latest balance data slate? as I have understood it,
armoured resilience won't be affected and therefore we can combine it with the new buff of AP reduction. Am I wrong on this?
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2022/04/16 18:04:58
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
No, that's correct. Rules which reduce AP lock you out of armour of contempt but bonuses to your save are a different bonus which isn't affected (unless it cones from a storm shield).
Armoured Resiliance Paladins can therefore get a 2+ armour save even against tactical doctrine bolt rifles or thousand sons warp bolters, which combined with their wounds per model means dropping them with small arms takes a hell of a lot of doing.
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2022/04/16 18:06:47
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
Glad to see Paladins are back on the menu after basically being shafted on not being able to gain access to Brotherhood rules. It was kinda weird seeing GK basically being relegated to only PA and Dreadknight units when being able to suit up the entire chapter in TDA was kind of their thing.
2022/04/16 19:03:52
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
locarno24 wrote: No, that's correct. Rules which reduce AP lock you out of armour of contempt but bonuses to your save are a different bonus which isn't affected (unless it cones from a storm shield).
Armoured Resiliance Paladins can therefore get a 2+ armour save even against tactical doctrine bolt rifles or thousand sons warp bolters, which combined with their wounds per model means dropping them with small arms takes a hell of a lot of doing.
An armoured resilience Paladin in Light Cover (either actually or through the Tide) worsens incoming AP by 1 and gets +2 to armor saves. That means against AP-3, he's still making a 2+ check. It takes AP-4 to get him to 3+ and AP-5 to reach 4+. You don't even need/want Sanctuary on him at that point.
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2022/04/20 07:58:13
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
I played SW, and took Crowe, a GMDK, a Strike Squad, a Purifier Squad, an Interceptor Squad and a Stormraven. Teleport Shunt and Sigil of Exigence let me take out a unit of dug-in long fangs with the GMDK on turn 1, and Sanctuary protected the Stormraven once it arrived on turn 2, allowing it to take a Stormfang down to 3 wounds. Purifying Flame from the Purifier Justicar then finished it off! The Purifiers and Interceptors took heavy losses, but took out a unit of thunderwolves before they could do any damage. It was then all over by the end of round 3 when the GMDK, supported by the Stormraven, took out Bjorn for the win
I've played another couple of games with this list since, narrowly losing to Orks (by 1VP) but tabling them in the process, then against an IG tank list yesterday using the new Tempest of War missions...
That game I lost conclusively (70-45), but had an absolute blast with the Stormraven. Despite Crowe and the GMDK being taken out before the Stormraven arrived from reserves (so no Sanctuary!) the combination of Hard to Hit, Marked for Death and Empyric Loadstone (from a lone Interceptor Justicar in cover in the centre of the table) meant that the Stormraven flew around and took out three Leman Russes and a Manticore in the remaining 4 turns! You've got to love Swordbearers
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I know it can be done, but do we think it's a good idea for GK? Or do they not need the super-heavies? I already run a Stormraven which dishes out a fair amount of damage and can be protected with Sanctuary.
I played a GK player today and he spammed smite on 5's over and over and murdered so much stuff. What is the current rule on using smite more than 1 time per turn?
2022/05/21 09:40:13
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
warpedpig wrote: I played a GK player today and he spammed smite on 5's over and over and murdered so much stuff. What is the current rule on using smite more than 1 time per turn?
Not legal.
You should tell him to also apologize at the very least.
2022/05/21 16:27:00
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
He did. I think he hasn’t played them in a long time and wasn’t aware of the last update. Not a big deal.
Automatically Appended Next Post: How do Temporal Bombs work? I can’t find their description anywhere? Can they be used in the enemies deployment zone?
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2022/07/19 14:24:34
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
warpedpig wrote: He did. I think he hasn’t played them in a long time and wasn’t aware of the last update. Not a big deal.
Automatically Appended Next Post: How do Temporal Bombs work? I can’t find their description anywhere? Can they be used in the enemies deployment zone?
TEMPORAL BOMBS
Havens of the unclean and sites of purity are sanctified with these soul-reactive devices. Seeded in a hallowed moment within the floes of the churning warp, they transition into realspace without causing a breach, using the power of that shift to detonate.
Before the battle, select one Area Terrain feature that is not within your opponent’s deployment zone and note it down secretly on your army roster. The first time an enemy unit starts or ends a move on or within that terrain feature, reveal your choice and roll one D6: on a 2+, that enemy unit suffers D3 mortal wounds.
2022/09/01 06:28:10
Subject: Re:The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
dreadblade wrote: Has anyone considered running a super-heavy auxiliary detachment with an Imperial Knight?
It's not really worth it. Knights die very easily in the current meta. You are almost certainly better off using those points to add more obsec troops to your list to help you score vps more easily.
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2022/10/28 08:56:09
Subject: The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
dreadblade wrote: Has anyone considered running a super-heavy auxiliary detachment with an Imperial Knight?
It's not really worth it. Knights die very easily in the current meta. You are almost certainly better off using those points to add more obsec troops to your list to help you score vps more easily.
A single Knight is hard to justify unless you have a plan.
However, its fluffy for a GK army.
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Since AP is king at the moment, Swords are the best all-rounder choice. A Hammer on a Paragon is not terrible, but on others it takes their WS to 4+, which is a bad choice IMO.
Psilencers are a decent consideration, but they only give you 2 more shots than what the model comes with and the AP is negated largely by AOC.
If you know you're fighting hordes, Incinerators are fun but not essential.
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2022/12/06 09:28:19
Subject: Re:The Aegis Protects! Grey Knights 9e Tactics and Discussion
[1,800] Chaos Knights | 
[1,250] Thousand Sons | 
[1,000] Grey Knights | 40K editions: RT, 8, 9, 10 | 
" I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever." 
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3730 Total (210pts painted) 
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