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 Galef wrote:

 Roknar wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:

Yes, isn't there a chapter-specific "decurion" for each Chapter?

As far as I know, yes. That as well as chapter tactic equivalents but on a detachment level. Not sure how chapter tactics are chosen in the loyalist dex.

What!?!?! Since when? I thought the main 7 chapters shared the same FBD (the Gladius) and you just applied chapter Tactics. Is this an Angels of Death thing?
I know DAs, BAs and SWs have there own stuff because they don't share a Codex like the others do.

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Uh not sure I follow.
I meant that Traitor Legions has a decurion for each legion. And based on the way you can make a generic TSons detachment/formation, I ASSUME the other legions get the same. Which is pretty much how chapter tactics work right?
I think Angels of death does the same thing. As in you get decurions as well as rules to modify any detachment.

 Galef wrote:

 Roknar wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:

Yes, isn't there a chapter-specific "decurion" for each Chapter?

As far as I know, yes. That as well as chapter tactic equivalents but on a detachment level. Not sure how chapter tactics are chosen in the loyalist dex.

What!?!?! Since when? I thought the main 7 chapters shared the same FBD (the Gladius) and you just applied chapter Tactics. Is this an Angels of Death thing?
I know DAs, BAs and SWs have there own stuff because they don't share a Codex like the others do.

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Angels of Death has a decurion for Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, White Scars, Salamanders, and Raven Guard. Ultramarines are encouraged to use Gladius.

Edit - none are as good as Battle Company so they don't see use outside of Raven Guard shenanigans

Hmm, what do they mean by Armoury of the Chaos space marines? I thought it would just be relics, but they already listed that.

 Roknar wrote:
Hmm, what do they mean by Armoury of the Chaos space marines? I thought it would just be relics, but they already listed that.

The weapons for the Thousand Sons units and for the Lord of Skulls I'd guess.

Ah, yea. You're probably right.


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Be nice if somebody could also give a list of content for the Chaos apocrypha. The store description is a bit vague.


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One minute past midnight! Where my leaks at? oO

Just a heads up for those building Magnus; when you get to the first wing section, the book says piece "77" in section 6a. There is no "77" on the sprue. It is 79 on the sprue. Don't tear your hair out!

I suppose if you were to get the ebook version, you still have to wait until next week to unlock it?

Wow.
TWO new formations? that's it?


That's insulting. really.

I mean, WoM, as far as I like 1ksons (even ordered a limited edition), was borderline.

This? is simply bad. its almost entirely made from ripping some VERY recent books and compiling them.
You got Plague colony for death guard, Kakophoni for
emperor's children.
This means alpha legion, iron warriors, word bearers, world eaters and night lords all use only prexisting formations.
And even then, only from a subset of 12 formations, as 12 of the 26 are legion specific (tied too directly to 1ksons, black legion, or the two new ones)

Basically, these fire legions are a mix and match of the following:
- Chaos Warband
- Maelstrom of Gore
- The Lost and the Damned
- Helforged Warpack
- Heldrake Terror Pack
- Cult of Destruction
- Fist of the Gods
- Raptor Talon
- Terminator Annihilation Force
- Favoured of Chaos
- Trinity of Blood
- Daemon Engine Pack

And I find it hard to believe anyone but the world eaters got the trinity of blood.



We knew nobody at GW cares about chaos worth a damn, but this is getting absurd.
Its like they are TRYING to get people to abandon what used to be the biggest "evil" faction.

QUESTION FOR PEOPLE WHO PREORDERED/ARE PICKING IT UP AT 12:01

Could you be so kind as to post Ahrimans Rules?
I just want to see what has changed since his CSM Ruleset...

Veterannoob says he's polishing his review.

"Soon."

Ugh, don't mention the trinity of blood lol. I forgot about that. Watch it become a core formation

 BoomWolf wrote:
Wow.
TWO new formations? that's it?


That's insulting. really.

I mean, WoM, as far as I like 1ksons (even ordered a limited edition), was borderline.

This? is simply bad. its almost entirely made from ripping some VERY recent books and compiling them.
You got Plague colony for death guard, Kakophoni for
emperor's children.
This means alpha legion, iron warriors, word bearers, world eaters and night lords all use only prexisting formations.
And even then, only from a subset of 12 formations, as 12 of the 26 are legion specific (tied too directly to 1ksons, black legion, or the two new ones)

Basically, these fire legions are a mix and match of the following:
- Chaos Warband
- Maelstrom of Gore
- The Lost and the Damned
- Helforged Warpack
- Heldrake Terror Pack
- Cult of Destruction
- Fist of the Gods
- Raptor Talon
- Terminator Annihilation Force
- Favoured of Chaos
- Trinity of Blood
- Daemon Engine Pack

And I find it hard to believe anyone but the world eaters got the trinity of blood.



We knew nobody at GW cares about chaos worth a damn, but this is getting absurd.
Its like they are TRYING to get people to abandon what used to be the biggest "evil" faction.

Wait. Wait. WAIT.
EVERYONE got the TRINITY OF BLOOD?
Hooray! Now if i can find a 425 point Core Formation for Alpha Legion, that will be my 2000 point army sorted (I Use Kytans instead of Lord of Skulls)

 BoomWolf wrote:
Wow.
TWO new formations? that's it?

I think each legion gets a "Decurion" detachment as well though, plus their "Legion Tactics", which could notably change how those formations play. An Imperial Fists Battle Demi-Company in a Sternhammer Strike Force plays differently to a White Scar's Battle Demi-Company in a Scarblade Strike Force to an Ultramarine's Battle-Demi Company in a Gladius Strike Force after all.

 Roknar wrote:
Ugh, don't mention the trinity of blood lol. I forgot about that. Watch it become a core formation

To be Honest, 3 Kytans (as you can Replace LoS with them) Would TOTALLY be worth it in a 2000 point game (425 points on Auxilaries)

 Roknar wrote:
Ah, yea. You're probably right.


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One minute past midnight! Where my leaks at? oO

Midnight is another 40mins in GMT 0.

Giving this to you, too Dakka, so be nice
Did this fast as fans cracking the whip behind me so pardon auto spell errors, if any abbreviations don’t make sense ad just ask if you have any questions. Thanks, fans for your support and patience!

Codex Supplement: Traitor Legions $35 USD pre-order Dec. 3, available Dec. 10

Disclaimer: I’m not a competitive beat-face player but love themed armies and fluff and when that marries into a playable force I can use on the tabletop I’m happy. I’m also only recently become a CSM player last week with WoM and Thousand Sons release (army already being built and getting some paint). However, I am a Horus Heresy nut and if any of you have listened to this podcast before (Combat Phase podcast) you’ll know how I love me some heresy. If you are looking for new rules for Heresy models from FW or plastic GW HH products then I’m afraid to tell you that is not here. As I’ve said before, no new models accompany this or the Codex: Imperial Agents books this week or next, however, in 2017, so few weeks away…we should have quite a good first quarter (at the very least). That said, as a Heresy player I’m impressed with most of the flavoring given to these legions. Some like Alpha Legion or Death Guard (my 30K army) or even World Eaters are pretty sweet enemy opinion. But you decide for yourself.
The episode of Combat Phase (www.combatphase.com) with this review is coming soon but in the meantime for all who are chomping at the bit, let’s begin...

Book contents
Most of the book is data sheets and even more is creating the 9 legions to give you themey armies, special rules, artifacts, warlord traits, objective markers, expanded Nurgle and Slaanesh lore for DG & EC respectively.This means, like Tzeencth, now 6 + 1 primaries power. As with Wrath of Magnus, you can make any CSM army into a specific legion given certain modifications, then the army gains additional special rules and when an army is composed of at lest 1 core and 1 auxiliary formation you get a formation with extra benefits. If you warlord is from this legion detachment it becomes your primary detachment and all in the primary detachment gain the benefits. Just with recent supplements an example is given when building a legion force where a gamer has a collection of models and the example walks through how he/she would separate models into a primary detachment with the bulk and a HQ & 2+ troops at least to for a CAD which gains objective secured.

The book opens with some fluff for the Long War and a page with killer artwork for each of the 9 legions presented here. We see the usual inclusion of high quality art and photography of models engaged in combat we’re used to from GW. This is a supplement to codex Chaos Space Marines so any new datasheets here replace what is in CSM. New wargear is on pages 135-136. The new rules vehicle squadrons from Traitor’s Hate are included where Chaos vindicators and predators can be taken as a squadron. I think especially the vindicator one is best, and would be quite fluffy in an Iron Warriors list.

Very fluff choices, all around in my opinion. Legions hating their old Heresy enemies, how they score, relics and traits but especially primary detachment rules.

snip!

We get the 4 psy lores from before, and expanded Nurgle and Slaanesh disciplines plus primaris.
It’s a nice supplement and I think die-hard players of these legions will love it and do much better in game but also, more importantly, enjoy their games more. Yes, formations that are generic are in Traitor’s Hate, legion specific ones are in here, however, as are expanded Nurgle and Slaanesh lores. Thousand Sons are same as WoM. I love heresy and fluff so I give this a
4.7 (I like Nurgle)/5




GW’s description from NZ page
Description
The Traitor Legions of the Chaos Space Marines have waged terrible wars of hate and vengeance upon the Imperium of Mankind for ten thousand years. From the Daemon worlds of the Eye of Terror, they plot the destruction of the empire they once helped to build. They have neither forgotten nor forgiven the loyalists, nor the False Emperor whom they serve. These warriors will not rest until the galaxy is burning, and the Emperor’s putrid carcass is cast down from the Golden Throne into the filth where it belongs.

Codex Supplement: Traitor Legions is a 136-page, full-colour softback supplement to Codex: Chaos Space Marines. It contains a wealth of additional content and rules that any Chaos Space Marines army can use, with a huge array of rules for all nine of the Traitor Legions.

In The Book

- Datasheets for the following models:
- Kharn the Betrayer
- Ahriman
- Exalted Sorcerer
- Tzaangors
- Rubric Marines
- Scarab Occult Terminators
- Khorne Lord of Skulls
- Magnus the Red

- 26 Formations for Chaos Space Marines
- Chaos Warband
- Maelstrom of Gore
- The Lost and the Damned
- Helforged Warpack
- Heldrake Terror Pack
- Cult of Destruction
- Fist of the Gods
- Raptor Talon
- Terminator Annihilation Force
- Favoured of Chaos
- Trinity of Blood
- The Chosen of Abaddon
- The Bringers of Despair
- The Hounds of Abaddon
- Daemon Engine Pack
- Cyclopia Cabal
- The Tormented
- Black Legion Warband
- War Cabal
- War Coven
- Tzaangor Warherd
- Sekhmet Conclave
- Ahriman’s Exiles
- Rehati War Sect
- Plague Colony
- Kakophoni;

- Chaos Artefacts, Warlord Traits, Tactical Objectives and an exclusive Detachment for each of the 9 Traitor Legions;

- Updated Disciplines of Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh, as well as the Sinistrum, Heretech, Ectomancy and Geomortis Psychic Disciplines;

- Armoury of the Chaos Space Marines.

Love ya...Veteranoob!

You are an absolute saint sir!

 Sersi wrote:
Love ya...Veteranoob!

*falls over, dead of exhaustion*
off to dinner and perhaps my formation will include 1-4 margaritas! Back in a bit to answer questions.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

8 Death Guard (yeah, baby!!) Count the Seven!
must: Typhus only unique; only Nurgle marks; VotLW; DP need Mk Nurgle; psykers can take all from Nurgle
gain: Gift of Nurgle: VotLW gain fearless & FnP but -1 initiative (doesn’t affect Typhus or Plague marines); Inexorable Advance: VotLW get relentless; Lords of Plague Host: Plague Marines are troops
WT: FnP;IWNDie; +1 W; Eternal warrior; improved Poison by 1; units w/in 7” get contagion
relics: poison 2+ weapon; poison 2+ lg blast gun; poison 2+ staff; give units fear; give a dude fear, FnP & D3 cultists come back to life; AP3 poison 4+ deamon weapon
army: Disgustingly Resilient: re-roll FnP rolls of 1; Cloud of Flies: ranged hits more than 18” away give you stealth rule for resolving attack
core: Chaos wdrbamd; Plague Colony (Typhus + 3-7 plague marines—gain fear & enemy units w/in7” reduce I & WS by 1 in fight phase, if 7 plague marines add -1 Toughness to that)
command: Lord of Legion
aux: Lost and the Damned + 8
obj: Vp if 3+ your units on enemy table half; make 7 FnP rolls; kill unit w/weapon or psychic power using poisoned; name a IC and VP if he lives; D3Vp if you control EXACTLY 3 obj; kill 7 models (improves)
Access to full discipline of Nurgle 6 + primaris

Ok - let's have some clarification here.

Is VotLW free (ala Thousand Sons? Must have but no points cost)
Detachment Wise - Rerolling FNP and Stealth from 18+" away are the bonuses, yes? Also, clarify the Aux Choices - Terminator Annihilation Force? y/n? Option to take single vehicles (like Thousand Sons) y/n?

The Alpha legion warlord thing is awesome.

Thanks veterannoob!

As for the new legion rules? I think I'll have to sleep on them. Let me know if someone finds some interesting combos in the new stuff!

G'night.

The Alpha Legion Warlord thing is pretty cool.

Shame to see a big Chaos release go by with ancient Havoc, Oblit, Noise Marine, Berzerker and Plague Marine models still in play, and no Plague/Noise/Berzerker Terminators entering the fray.

 godswildcard wrote:
Exalted Sorcers can't take special issue war gear, so unless they get permission elsewhere, no jump pack exalted sorcerer, so one of the three sorcerers in the box is just a sorcerer.

Of course they can't take anything else. It's not on the sprue. No model/no rules.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Alpha Legion Warlord thing is pretty cool.

Shame to see a big Chaos release go by with ancient Havoc, Oblit, Noise Marine, Berzerker and Plague Marine models still in play, and no Plague/Noise/Berzerker Terminators entering the fray.

I imagine we'll see those termies in the future if the TS ones sell well.

As for the rules...i'm really enjoying most of it so far. Also, Oblits are troops for IW!

I have to give kudos to GW for the models released today. They fit together like nothing else I've ever built. Sure, Ahriman has a lot of parts, but the model was easy to put together. However, fair warning, if you decide to build the disk, you will pay for it in blood.

Tank Hunter Obliterator Troops is all I needed to hear.

OK, these Legion Rules actually mostly sound pretty nice.

The rules are... fine. This isn't the Chaos renaissance that a lot of us wanted, and the fact that the book is mostly a copypasta job from two recent books speaks to laziness when it comes to rules writing (but it's GW, not FW, so what else is new?) ---but--- if you look at this in the terms of a really detailed patch, as opposed to an expansion, it's pretty good.

The Legions have rules are. They're strangely limited, and some of them are what we expected (Night Lords get Fear, the game's most oft-ignored special rule... yay! ), but they exist.

Yeah this book looks super fun, looking forward to picking up mine tomorrow.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

9 Emperor’s Children
must: only Luciius unique; need mk Slaanesh; only mk Slaamesh; VotLW; psykers & demons can take full from Slaanesh expanded discipline
gain: fueled by sensation: VotLW gain Fearless & FnP6+ (units w/icon of excess make that FnP4+), VotLW if slain n fight sub phase before it swings gets 1 immediate attack; Matsers Kakophoni: Noise Marines are troops
WT: gain Warrior; +2 Init; all 1 to FnP of WL & his unit; Gain Fear & melee opponents take fear on 3D6; +1 attack each team you lose a wound (returns if healed); can auto-pass look out sir!
relics: make D3 rolls on combat drugs; gun 12” S8,AP2, assault D6, mental trauma (before attack target takes ldsh test and f failed you re-roll these to-wound);soul snare weapons (to wound 6 is AP2/instant death; you have fear, enemies w/in6” -1 lash; bolt weapons gain blast, ignores cover and pinning; AP3 catatonic trance - target must pass ldsh test/wound or die
army: combat drugs! roll after deployment for all your non-vehicles
1- +1 WS
2- +1 BS
3- +1 Init
4- +1 S
5 - +1 T
6- +1 A
core: chaos warband, Kakophani (Lucius or Ch Lord, 3-6 noise marines—get split fire & all sonic weapons gain shred. If take 6 noise marines they also get +1 St guns)
command: lord of legion
aux: lost & damned + 8
obj: destroy enemy w/noise weapons; kill enemy in challenge; kill a unit falling back; Vp per unit fails morale, fear, pinning (max 3); your enemy picks obj marker and D3Vo when you take it; D3 VP if your enemy controls no objectives (improves)

3 - 6 Units of Fearless Noise Marines with FnP, split fire, shred and +1 S guns. While I would have liked to see them get relentless, this seems almost OP as is.

Just noticed, regular CSMs would get 4+ FnP with Icon of Excess, plus that +1 I. Or with Chosen... that's incredible.

The Death Guard sound great outside the Decurion. Yeah the stealth thing is nice and they become mildly more durable, BUT gaining Relentless for everyone is good enough (Raptors in a Talons with Plasma Guns will be much better than Melta Guns now) and those guys + Terminators gaining FNP? Balls to the wall awesome.

Add on Plague Marines with Relentless and I'm kinda happy to play CSM again.