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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Because of the Rule of Cool. All of the films are like this.

Rule of Cool only works when the "rule" is consistent.

This film is not consistent with what we see in other films.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
There is a general recognition of Hard SF, which extrapolates from contemporary knowledge of scientific laws. For example, ships can't move faster than light, but life extension through telomere editing may be possible, or simultaneous interstellar communication using quantum entanglement.

Star Wars doesn't fall into this genre.

True but it does fit neatly into the Science Fantasy genre

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Because of the Rule of Cool. All of the films are like this.

Rule of Cool only works when the "rule" is consistent.

This film is not consistent with what we see in other films.

Consistency of the Rule of Cool means that everything has to be Cool, not that it has to hew to the same rules.

The Rebellion on Hoth has access to an ion cannon capable of mashing Start Destroyers off course and also X WIngs, which can destroy the Death Star.

It's not believable that the guns on a Snowspeeder, which are longer than the vehicle itself, are not capable of penetrating the armour on an ATAT.

Except for Rule of Cool!

No-one hauls vehicles out of snow by attaching a harpoon gun to a hovercraft.

Now for something completely different


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From Princess Leia to Rey, and Padmé if you acknowledge the existence of the sequels, it's fair to say that Star Wars wouldn't be the global phenomenon it is today without strong female characters.

So it came as a surprise to many when Pedestrian reported that a male activist had made a fan edit of Star Wars: The Last Jedi which cuts out the film's female characters, reducing the running time from 106 minutes to just 46 minutes. The angry fan then illegally uploaded the film online.

Titled The Last Jedi: De-Feminized Fanedit, Laura Dern's character, Admiral Holdo, was cut from the film entirely. While Daisy Ridley, Carrie Fisher and Kelly Marie Tran, all had their roles drastically reduced.
"The intro sequence is now very watchable and actually much cooler without all of Leia's nit-picking," the unknown uploader wrote. "Now it's all one united Resistance fighting without inner conflict and that's much more satisfying to watch. Due to the extreme shortening, the whole movie is much more fast-paced now."

apparently john B. and mark H, got a good laugh out of it.

sirlynchmob wrote:
Now for something completely different


http://www.distractify.com/trending/2018/01/17/Z2e12a1/activist-edit-women-out-of-star-wars?utm_content=inf_11_53_2&tse_id=INF_9558b730fbae11e781c71b876dfcb7a1

From Princess Leia to Rey, and Padmé if you acknowledge the existence of the sequels, it's fair to say that Star Wars wouldn't be the global phenomenon it is today without strong female characters.

So it came as a surprise to many when Pedestrian reported that a male activist had made a fan edit of Star Wars: The Last Jedi which cuts out the film's female characters, reducing the running time from 106 minutes to just 46 minutes. The angry fan then illegally uploaded the film online.

Titled The Last Jedi: De-Feminized Fanedit, Laura Dern's character, Admiral Holdo, was cut from the film entirely. While Daisy Ridley, Carrie Fisher and Kelly Marie Tran, all had their roles drastically reduced.
"The intro sequence is now very watchable and actually much cooler without all of Leia's nit-picking," the unknown uploader wrote. "Now it's all one united Resistance fighting without inner conflict and that's much more satisfying to watch. Due to the extreme shortening, the whole movie is much more fast-paced now."

But... why? thats a lot of effort to go through to just be ignored lol.

I liked the "male Activist" comments, do we know thats true or is it yet another snipe ?

apparently john B. and mark H, got a good laugh out of it.

The Falcon doesn't have robotic gunners because ANH portrayed space combat as WW2 dog fighting. It's a genre conceit. Another such genre conceit is that droids, despite having personalities, are ultimately mere objects relative to sentient organisms.

Not that genre is even relevant to the problem of Holdo's remaining aboard. That would be a basic screenwriting fumble. In order for her sacrifice to be dramatic, it must be motivated by some credible reason - and of course that reason cannot tautologically and metatextually be "in order to be dramatic." In this case, Holdo explains that she has to pilot the ship - the ship which is moving directly forward through empty space at a constant speed. Wha?

It's quite clear that the actual reason the scriptwriter needed Holdo on the ship is so that there was a character on board who could make a dramatic decision at a key moment. A droid or an autopilot program can't do that, at least not in an exciting way.

To be clear, it's fine for Holdo to stay on the ship and ultimately heroically kill herself (good riddance). What is not fine is providing little or no set up to generate pay off.

As to that MRA "fan" edit - such actions are totally irrelevant until magnified through the clickbait media industry.

Given all so far, it just seems like someone trolling with easy bait that they knew would easily be picked up and spread near and far. Just add a few typical words "MRA, Male Activist, Angry Fan, etc." and you've got yourself something to set yourself up for easy clickbait.

 Manchu wrote:
The Falcon doesn't have robotic gunners because ANH portrayed space combat as WW2 dog fighting. It's a genre conceit. Another such genre conceit is that droids, despite having personalities, are ultimately mere objects relative to sentient organisms.

Not that genre is even relevant to the problem of Holdo's remaining aboard. That would be a basic screenwriting fumble. In order for her sacrifice to be dramatic, it must be motivated by some credible reason - and of course that reason cannot tautologically and metatextually be "in order to be dramatic." In this case, Holdo explains that she has to pilot the ship - the ship which is moving directly forward through empty space at a constant speed. Wha?

It's quite clear that the actual reason the scriptwriter needed Holdo on the ship is so that there was a character on board who could make a dramatic decision at a key moment. A droid or an autopilot program can't do that, at least not in an exciting way.

To be clear, it's fine for Holdo to stay on the ship and ultimately heroically kill herself (good riddance). What is not fine is providing little or no set up to generate pay off.

As to that MRA "fan" edit - such actions are totally irrelevant until magnified through the clickbait media industry.

Agree about the fan edit lol

As for purple chick, Holdo, She is a traitor and a coward, her actions led to the deaths of a lot of people, her "suicide" smacked of the actions of a coward who didnt want to accept the consequenses of her actions, if it were real life she would be up for a long prison sentence for gross negligence.

Poe on the other hand, I would have him in military prison for failing to follow a direct order and that resulted in the deaths of a lot of personel.

The whole Rebel chain of command are totally incompetent in this movie, no wonder no one came to there aid.

 Formosa wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
The Falcon doesn't have robotic gunners because ANH portrayed space combat as WW2 dog fighting. It's a genre conceit. Another such genre conceit is that droids, despite having personalities, are ultimately mere objects relative to sentient organisms.

Not that genre is even relevant to the problem of Holdo's remaining aboard. That would be a basic screenwriting fumble. In order for her sacrifice to be dramatic, it must be motivated by some credible reason - and of course that reason cannot tautologically and metatextually be "in order to be dramatic." In this case, Holdo explains that she has to pilot the ship - the ship which is moving directly forward through empty space at a constant speed. Wha?

It's quite clear that the actual reason the scriptwriter needed Holdo on the ship is so that there was a character on board who could make a dramatic decision at a key moment. A droid or an autopilot program can't do that, at least not in an exciting way.

To be clear, it's fine for Holdo to stay on the ship and ultimately heroically kill herself (good riddance). What is not fine is providing little or no set up to generate pay off.

As to that MRA "fan" edit - such actions are totally irrelevant until magnified through the clickbait media industry.

Agree about the fan edit lol

As for purple chick, Holdo, She is a traitor and a coward, her actions led to the deaths of a lot of people, her "suicide" smacked of the actions of a coward who didnt want to accept the consequenses of her actions, if it were real life she would be up for a long prison sentence for gross negligence.

Poe on the other hand, I would have him in military prison for failing to follow a direct order and that resulted in the deaths of a lot of personel.

The whole Rebel chain of command are totally incompetent in this movie, no wonder no one came to there aid.

The resistance doesn't have military prisons. They are too busy running away all the time to have a prison and are basically obliterated anyways. Poe proved during the dreadnought attack and the mutany that he has more support than aynone else involved in the resistance. He should be in charge - and also - there is no way that purple hair and leia would have been able to take back the ship. It's likely Poe would have killed her for abandonment of duty during wartime (this is usually accompanied by an execution) If I were Poe - I would have ended her life. You gotta put things in perspective - everyone is being driven to their deaths by a madwomen. Who takes over the ship and doesn't kill the captain? (That's just poor planning)

I assume because there's that scene where she's introduced and vaguely talked about as if there was that one battle or whatever in which she was exceedingly good and therefore had a reputation. Which you'll probably find in a handy bit of background reading you probably didn't know existed, just like with TFA.

I could be making that up as something I extrapolated from that scene though.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
I assume because there's that scene where she's introduced and vaguely talked about as if there was that one battle or whatever in which she was exceedingly good and therefore had a reputation. Which you'll probably find in a handy bit of background reading you probably didn't know existed, just like with TFA.

I could be making that up as something I extrapolated from that scene though.

Regardless of her history - the soldiers of the resistance chose to follow Poe. It's a pretty big deal when you consider the entire resistance is on that ship.

Also - I don't intend to read anymore starwars books. All the SW books I've read were invalidated with the wave of a hand. Not risking that again.

A few pilots joined in the mutiny with Poe. It was hardly a show of majority support.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
A few pilots joined in the mutiny with Poe. It was hardly a show of majority support.

All the pilots? On the dreadnought attack. Can't remember exactly how many supported him at the mutiny but from what I remember it was everyone in the room.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
A few pilots joined in the mutiny with Poe.

Nah, Billie Lourd's character (Lt. Connix, a junior staff officer?) joins Poe's mutiny, too.

sirlynchmob wrote:
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So these people found some part of the movie (for whatever reason) salvageable?
This is incredible. Appalling, if you allow me.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
A few pilots joined in the mutiny with Poe. It was hardly a show of majority support.

Vice Admiral lady had to sort the mutiny out herself. No one came to her aid. And the low ranking definitely not naval (she was responsible for on planet evacuation duties as established in one of the first shots of the movie) background officer lady joined the mutiny.

At least, that's the impression I got from the movie. Then Princess Leia recovers and is all "mutiny? not on my watch!" And everyone (even Poe) is all like "Leia!? You've saved us!!"

Again, there's probably some supplemental material that will prove what I just opined incorrect but that is the impression I got from the movie.

 Scrabb wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
A few pilots joined in the mutiny with Poe. It was hardly a show of majority support.

Vice Admiral lady had to sort the mutiny out herself. No one came to her aid. And the low ranking definitely not naval (she was responsible for on planet evacuation duties as established in one of the first shots of the movie) background officer lady joined the mutiny.

At least, that's the impression I got from the movie. Then Princess Leia recovers and is all "mutiny? not on my watch!" And everyone (even Poe) is all like "Leia!? You've saved us!!"

Again, there's probably some supplemental material that will prove what I just opined incorrect but that is the impression I got from the movie.

I can't see her backstory being that interesting enough to be put in to new supplemental materials.

there were 3 ships, and she commanded none of them.

she was an admiral on Akbar's ship, yet not on the bridge

so we have this admiral in charge of what exactly? the more I think about it, she must be a supply officer and promoted herself to admiral on the way to the meeting.

She must also have been really bad as a supply officer because she didn't even requisition fuel for any of the ships.

I thought Holdo came from another one of the ships?


But yes, having seen the film last night, the rebels plan is so full of holes you can lose the Death Stars plans in them.

admiral in charge of what exactly? the more I think about it, she must be a supply officer and promoted herself to admiral on the way to the meeting

She was the Admiral of Walking Around Slowly.

She is introduced as a Vice Admiral. But keep in mind, Poe himself has to recognize, validate and explain who she is to the alien pilot sitting next to him (and the audience). Which helps contribute to the mess of the whole thing, as he is stuck as the POV character, the opposition character and the one signaling that the people he's opposing are in fact legitimate.

And both Holdo and Leia are alternately reprimanding him while simultaneously grooming him as the next leader of the Resisty, both before and after each individual episode of rebellion against their leadership. (leading the bombers, questioning 'the plan,' actually leading the mutiny, etc).

There was a huge chunk of story on the ship of death, which really would have benefited from Finn actually being there and interacting with the Resisty, either providing an outsider point of view for the power struggle or bringing a different set of options, but mostly shouldering some of the necessary character duties (rather than dumping all of thm on Poe), and not wasting time on the casino planet interlude. Rose could have been caught between leadership and heroes, and had to make a real decision.

One thing that confused me was the blonde mini-Leia (Billie Lourd?), she seems to be important or at least, seems to be that she's going to be important. She joins in on the rebellion against the rebellion but... That's kinda it...

It's weird.

Voss wrote:

She is introduced as a Vice Admiral. But keep in mind, Poe himself has to recognize, validate and explain who she is to the alien pilot sitting next to him (and the audience). Which helps contribute to the mess of the whole thing, as he is stuck as the POV character, the opposition character and the one signaling that the people he's opposing are in fact legitimate.

Not only - Poe does not expected Holdo to look like that. Is implied that is because she is a woman I guess? What else, correct me I would be happy to be proven wrong. I came to the conclusion because I cannot help to think the writers wanted to make a point.
I hope is not because the ways she dresses or the hair colour, in a setting with weird aliens. It would be a nonsense.
But if I am right, this is the same Poe that follows Leia without question, and organises the mutiny with the support of a female officer.
But he does not like THAT woman. Out of a sudden.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

Voss wrote:

She is introduced as a Vice Admiral. But keep in mind, Poe himself has to recognize, validate and explain who she is to the alien pilot sitting next to him (and the audience). Which helps contribute to the mess of the whole thing, as he is stuck as the POV character, the opposition character and the one signaling that the people he's opposing are in fact legitimate.

Not only - Poe does not expected Holdo to look like that. Is implied that is because she is a woman I guess? What else, correct me I would be happy to be proven wrong. I came to the conclusion because I cannot help to think the writers wanted to make a point.
I hope is not because the ways she dresses or the hair colour, in a setting with weird aliens. It would be a nonsense.
But if I am right, this is the same Poe that follows Leia without question, and organises the mutiny with the support of a female officer.
But he does not like THAT woman. Out of a sudden.

I'm going to go with the purple evening gown and matching dye job. Really doesn't say "Vice Admiral".

At least Snokes gold bathrobe screamed "I'M THE SUPREME LEADER, AND I DON'T GIVE A !"

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:


At least Snokes gold bathrobe screamed "I'M THE SUPREME LEADER, AND I DON'T GIVE A !"

And that somewhere else in a galaxy far far away, Tony Soprano is wandering around in a towel, wondering where the hell his has gone.

Voss wrote:
the next leader of the Resisty

What happened to Lard Nar?

 LordofHats wrote:

Voss wrote:
the next leader of the Resisty

What happened to Lard Nar?

That is not a reference I was expecting in this thread.

But yeah, the thing about the bombers troubles me as well.. Who signed off on the attack in the first place? It wasn't Poe that originally did it, and it seemed like if there was anyone above him to stop such a thing they'd be able to do it quite easily.

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Although your comment makes sense, it doesn't really match the Star Wars movies. Whoever is in charge always has a gathering to discuss the "plan". It consists of all the top brass, leaders of groups like Red Squadron, and main characters. So even though this isn't sensible it is a theme that shows up in the movies.

That's true, we haven't seen much secrecy before this. But then that's really been not because the setting doesn't have secrets, its more that as we've followed our heroes through the story, and the rebel plan is only revealed at the point when they reached a need to know position.

So I'm not disagreeing with your point, just noting the difference is due to TLJ having a different type plot, it isn't due to previous films not having any

However I could let it pass if Holdo handled Poe better. Howe about she place both her hands on his shoulders and she whispers "I need you to trust in me and the force". Instead she was snarky and came off as a very unlikable character.

Yeah, I don't mind her being snarky, to be honest a senior officer dealing with an unfolding crisis would be at least that snarky with a junior officer repeatedly demanding information she's deemed classified. I think the issue is the other part you raise, that she did nothing to satisfy him that there was a plan, even if it was one that Poe couldn't be told at that time. That is a weakness that could have been corrected in a line like the one you suggested.


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 Manchu wrote:
I have a lot of complaints about R1 but one of them is definitely NOT that Jyn Erso and her pals disobeyed orders in order to get the Death Star plans.

No, the complaint is that in order to justify Jyn and friend's deciding on their own mission, they had to make the Rebellion cowards who had to be dragged in to their own war.

To paraphrase Kilkrazy, this isn't a documentary about military hierarchy.

It isn't a documentary about hierarchy, but that doesn't mean hierarchy can't drive plot points.

The one and only reason Holdo doesn't tell anyone about her plan* or that she even has a plan is to make the audience suspicious of her/supportive of Poe, so that ultimately Poe can be wrong. People in the audience understand that they were tricked and they resent it. Naturally, they look for a way for Poe, a character they like, not to be dumb and wrong/not to have a seemingly unnecessary mutiny/sidequest to Disney World casino planet.

I wrote earlier that I think one underlying reason many people had for rejecting TLJ is because it doesn't have the traditional heroic action of Star Wars movies. Even when Star Wars films have been dark, the actions of the heroes have been successful, but in TLJ the heroes actually made mistakes, and their mistakes had lasting consequences. You just described that reaction exactly.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
If you ask me why lightnighs happen, and I answer "is the sky spirits". This is an explanation, but not a good one. You can cite books or just stuff pulled out your arse but is just incoherent stuff devoided of any logic. The fact that there is one, any explanation does not male the scene or situation worthy of consideration. This is an impressive lack of basic logic.

Your response is incoherent, because the explanation given in the supporting materials was fine. Because there was nothing wrong with it you lurched from complaining that there's no possible answer to complaining that the answer should have been in the film. Now that I've pointed out to you that you changed your complaint, you've decided to go back to complaining that the explanation was no good. But of course, you've done that without giving a single complaint about the explantion, because you're just making this up as you go along.

So, the arguments are running out. Good.

You trimmed the quote, again. to hide the part where I explain how you failed. That isn't honest. And you are resorting to these dihonest tactics because your claims are falling apart.

Is mobile? When is said or shown? Has FTL travel? Who knows? I suppose I have to go and read a book.

That's right, its info not included in the movie. Which you'll note I've said many times is an actual complaint that can be made about TFA.

Whereas your complaint, that Starkiller was dumb because it was a one shot weapon in a movie that showed it charging for a second shot... was a very silly complaint.

"you are confused". I find amusing that you keep using condescending expressions, and yet you deny being condescending.

Pointing out your confusion is a necessary component of moving this conversation forward. It's only once we recognise where you're at that we can start going forward.

Also, you are being dishonest because the point was not about the single shot, but the limited amount of shots.

Here's your actual line;
"2b) let's ignore the stupidity of the weapon, that can only shoot once"

So now we have to believe that when you said the weapon can only shoot once, your problem was that it had a limited number of shots, but more than one.

Yeah.

So even if you find a comparison less preposterous of "guys, galactic empires and star destroyers work totally like germanic tribes and horses - see how well educated and well versed in history I am!" the story remains garbage.

For all this angst, you still haven't managed to explain exactly what real world intergalactic empire growth rates you're using to decide the FO grew implausibly quickly. After all, if using historic empires is 'preposterous', then you must have some real intergalactic empires to compare to.

Y..you just used the writing of the prequels to reject my point? Today is not my birthday, man.
"Look, is not written like an incoherent mess! is more like THAT movie" *points at movie that is written like an incoherent mess*
It would be just amusing, but you are so smug about it it becomes kinda sad, to be honest.

I can use Shakespeare if you want. Othello perhaps. I just used the prequels because its the closest comparison, and one I knew you'd be familiar with. The quality of the piece doesn't matter, what was important is you realising that your earlier claim, that stories are always about making the hero and villain as clever as possible was wrong. Many writers will make a deliberate choice to make a mistake, even a foolish one, to say something about the character.

Or that I use similar comparisons, even far-fetched.

Oh wow. And now you say using leitmotif was a comparison. So it turns out you maybe don't understand what comparison means, either.

Are you suggesting that anyone with millions in Disney is indifferent to how a supposed cash-cow franchise is going? Are you for real? Not even asking questions to the management?

If you think the AGM of a $55 billion dollar company are filled with questions about how a single film only returned 75% of its predecessor, then you just have no clue how major business operatesy. If you think those questions would be angry because TLJ only grossed $1.3bn on a $200m investment, then we're dealing with something far greater than just business ignorance.

I mean, were you predicting similar angry questions when Rogue One 'only' grossed $1bn? That was a $700m drop from TFA.

Whedon butted heads with the execs, the movie got 100 less than estimated. Then he says he's done.
Pure coincidence, of course.

Not coincidence, contrivance. This is one of those really simple things. Marvel has been ludicrously profitable. Whedon himself delivered them what was at the time the third highest grossing film in history. After that he oversaw creative in the film division, during which time we saw the most extraordinary streak of commercial success we will see in any major studio in any of our lifetimes. Disney isn't going to remove anyone from that team because a single film project was slightly less profitable than hoped.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
@Sebster

Sorry. I'll make an effort to leave the thread before getting too worked up.

Sorry mate, what? Are you apologising to me? If so, there's no need. In amongst a lot of really weirdly hostile responses from a few posters, your posts I found interesting. We disagreed, but I felt you were always making your case and moving the conversation forward. I think it in talking to you that I got the language to actually explain what I was really looking to do.

Hey I'm with you on R1. How dumb is it that outsider/nobody Jyn Erso has to lecture the leadership of the Rebellion? Just like R1, TLJ promotes a boring character (Vice Admiral Ho Hum) at the expense of something already estalished with the audience (Poe's heroism). But TLJ is even more awkward about it because Holdo's silence is intended to make the audience suspicious of her/sympathetic to Poe's frustrations.

That was my point, by the way. I mean, I get that people want heroes in SW movies rather than, you know, fething idiotic failures. That's a great point and I agree with it. But the fact that audiences resent being hoodwinked by hamfisted screenwriting is a seperate point.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
To me it's the shear volume of plot points that hinged on silliness that was a problem. It was a distraction that occurred far too often through the film. It was just so clunky.

We get caught up arguing individual points where we can invent reasons for why, but arguing the individual points misses the overall complaint that it was jarring to have such a clunky narrative. You can get away with one or two or three things where the audience goes "huh, what? why? how?" but TLJ went too far IMO.

You're right that we've gotten caught up debating a lot of plot points. But I think the issue isn't that there's lots of these minor issues. I'd argue that each Star Wars film has a lot of these points, but for some reason they've managed to dominate people's thinking when it comes to TLJ but not with other Star Wars movies.

Mark Kermode will often comment on minor faults in movies, but he mentions these points not because they really matter by themselves, but to make the point that when the story and characters don't engage the viewer then they start noticing all those other minor things.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
I am sorry but not knowing you or your mind/ intent (and not being rude enough to pretend I do) I saw a series of expletives aimed directly at those you were arguing with - how else was I supposed to read it? Imagine if you had said that to the person in public.

You were supposed to read it as the natural outcome of someone repeating a point many times, and finally saying it with some exasperation. We'll use someone in public, like you suggested. Consider everyone sitting in a big circle, discussing TLJ. One person suggests there's some bigger reasons for the negative reaction but he's not sure what they are, though he doesn't think they're related to the patriarchy stuff that some people have suggested. Then for the next 20 minutes people kept telling him it isn't the patriarchy and that he's wrong for saying it was the patriarchy, to which he keeps replying he doesn't think it is the patriarchy and made a point of saying that in his first post. But people hear that, and then keep saying he is wrong for saying it was the patriarchy.

Would you think it totally out of the blue if that guy eventually said 'its not the fething patriarchy and I fething made that clear from the beginning?' Would you consider that man angry for eventually responding forcefully? Or would you think he was exasperated, and looking for a way to make a point people should have realised the first time he said, and every time after that?


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 Mr Morden wrote:
1.The Rebel Ship of Fools is almost destroyed by 3 fighters - it had no fighter cover itself depsite just showing how powerful they are. Two Imperial pilots are killed (good exchange for destroying a hanger bay full of fighters and the command bridge) and the important guy is called back.

The Resistance were leaving hyperspace following a panicked evacuation. They had no idea the FO were capable of following them, and were not prepared to scramble fighters when the FO suddenly appeared. They were in the act of scrambling fighters when Kylor & friends wipedthe hangar bay.

2.They Imperials now don't launch any fighters to finish the job because - nope no reason

There was something there about the fighters needing to return to the cover of the capital ships, or something. It might have been after a couple of the FO fighters got wipied, maybe. This was a bit that should have been shown better, I agree. Probably by showing the Rebels begin to react, and have Poe or maybe even Rose scramble some kind of AA defense and start popping the fighters.

China's review of TLJ: "It's certainly no Transformers: The Last Knight!"

Star Wars: The Last Jedi wasn’t the movie that Chinese audiences were looking for. The science-fiction sequel tanked in China, following up a disappointing $28.7 million debut with one of the worst second-weekend declines the Chinese box office had ever seen. To kick the movie while it was down, it came in second that weekend to the third film in a sexist domestic romantic-comedy series, The Ex-File 3: The Return of the Exes.

After a 92% drop in its second weekend, Star Wars: The Last Jedi has already been pulled from Chinese theaters, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Jimmy Wu, chairman of nationwide Chinese cinema chain Lumiere Pavilions, told THR:

“The Last Jedi has already been completely pulled from cinemas here. It’s performed much worse than we could have expected.”
While Rian Johnson‘s film has shot to the top of the box office in North America, becoming the highest-grossing movie of 2017, Disney and Lucasfilm have failed to crack the ever-perplexing Chinese market, which controls a huge portion of the worldwide box office grosses thanks to its standing as the second-largest film market in the world. According to Forbes, Last Jedi is the worst-performing big budget movie in China since 2013’s The Lone Ranger. At this rate, Last Jedi will finish in China with only $50 million, performing worse than box office disappointments like Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets ($62 million) and Geostorm ($65.6 million).

So what’s the cause of this surprising drop? Chinese market research experts tell THR that it’s because Chinese audiences are largely unfamiliar with the franchise, which has no cultural “legacy” in the country. The original trilogy never received a wide release in China, and young audiences mostly flocked to The Force Awakens out of curiosity, and Rogue One out of excitement for its Chinese stars Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen. But the box office performances of Star Wars movies have been degrading across the board, market researcher James Li said, with Force Awakens raking in $124 million in 2016 and Rogue One earning $69 million in 2017 — both well below Disney’s forecasts.

Aside from familiarity with the franchise, it may also be the melting pot of Western and Eastern mythology that Star Wars draws on — Arthurian legends wrapped up in Akira Kurosawa cinematic inspirations. THR notes that the emotional climax of the film revolves around Luke Skywalker’s (Mark Hamill) reveal at the end, which only left Chinese audiences thinking “So who is this old guy, suddenly, and why are we supposed to care?” Li added:

“Because of the complex characters and themes, the prequels, and all of the multi-generational layers that are part of the culture, or cult, of Star Wars, it’s been hard for young Chinese filmgoers to get into the franchise.”

The Chinese box office has been a tough nut to crack for Hollywood lately, with domestic films far out-grossing Western blockbusters predicted to be surefire hits. That’s the only explanation for the runaway performance of the weekend’s box office winner, The Ex-File 3: Return of the Exes, an archaic rom-com about playboy bachelors freed from the confines of relationships. Yes, this is the movie that beat out Last Jedi.

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