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a good point came up while i was playing a skaven vs skaven game. the storm banner does not say when you test to see if a war machine can fire or not. the conclusion we came to is as there is no clear 'when' it can be done at a persons discression anytime before the and up to the beginning of the shotting phase. this has problems and benifits.

thoughts on proper time?

Declare you are going to shoot with it. Roll a D6. If you pass make your guess and move on to the next weapon. It really doesn't matter when you roll so long as you do it before you make your guess or roll any dice for that weapon.

zackly, so per say could you roll at the beginning of the turn? say when you check to see if the banner has run out, then roll to see what can shoot? as you say it doesnt really matter when you roll so long as its done before guess range.

I wouldn't do it till the begining of the shooting phase. Because if you find out that weapon can't shoot you might be inclined to do something different. That could cost you sports points.

I would suggest doing it at the beginning of the shooting phase.

Neggy: yup im in agreement.

The way we've been running it it just to roll for each artiller piece at the begining of the shooting phase. Not to forget that also includes Poisoned Wind Mortars and Warpfire throwers.

I believe it doesn´t affect mortars and warpfire throwers as they count as magical. that means dwarf war machines with runes are not affected as well.

are we sure thats just not a referance to spells? like warplightning?
i know the damage counts as magical but the mortors fireing???? warp fire fireing?

if i get this the only war machine efffected by storm banner in an skaven army is the ratling gun......

thoughts?

At first I thought it was referencing magic missiles, but after reading "All non-magical missile attacks", I'm pretty sure it's referring to magical war machines and the like.

It looks to me like it reads "All non-magical [missile attacks]", not, "All non-[magical missile attacks]".

As far as the weapon being affected, under the Warpstone Weapon rules, "Attacks from weapons with this special rule count as magical". That seems to fit pretty well with the wording of the Storm Banner.

silly double post......

Vengis wrote:At first I thought it was referencing magic missiles, but after reading "All non-magical missile attacks", I'm pretty sure it's referring to magical war machines and the like.

It looks to me like it reads "All non-magical [missile attacks]", not, "All non-[magical missile attacks]".

As far as the weapon being affected, under the Warpstone Weapon rules, "Attacks from weapons with this special rule count as magical". That seems to fit pretty well with the wording of the Storm Banner.

Oh wow, I hadn't tought of that. I made the error of thinking that the attacks were normal and the damage is magical but I can't find that distinction in the rules. Nice catch.

it diffinately means the rat just got stronger.....

Good catch there - so the warpfire throwers, poisoned wind mortars, warp lightning cannons, etc. etc. are safe to use. Of course, now flamers won't be affected. Damn them.

on a side note did every one catch that globers and weapons teams now come with h- armour?

Good call on that one - never noticed it. Thought it was just the 4+ ward if within 3" of the parent unit.

nope its better. 5+AV, 4+ (ward in 3'')makes em even stronger now. and the shredder is a 3+, 4+
also watch the magic weapons theres a nasty turn of phrase in some of them '+1 to str in combat' means they dont have the str any where else.

Globbers with Av, seams strange but i cant wait to play against kamri now..... heee hee heee