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2018/04/24 20:27:03
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
Doctoralex wrote:I'm having trouble finding a purpose for the Nightbringer/ T. C'tan.
Do I send them up the board with a screen of Scarabs, acting as a distraction carnifex? Or do I hold him back so that he can go after enemy deep-strikers?
Or are they kind of worthless without the Deceiver throwing them forward?
Nightbringer is a part of my Deceiver bomb... turn #1 Threat Overload.
Deceiver, and Nightbringer for sure, Wraiths if I get a 3 or a 4... 10 tesla immortals if I luck out and get a 5 or a 6 on the Deceiver's roll (though I might hold the Immortals back depending on the opponents army.
That's a hefty point investment though. If you're playing against a good opponent, they're going to make sure you lose those units.....but I can see how you could use that to your advantage. However, if you don't get the first turn you've invested over 1/5 of your army to a strategy you didn't get to pull off.
2018/04/24 20:33:52
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
EnTyme wrote: So what would be the viability of a Star God Pantheon list? 3x Tesseract Vault, 3x Transcendent C'Tan, and one of each named.
So no less than 6 T Vault kits, expensive fun
Edit: nr of kits
This is one scenario id suggest recasts for. The T'Ctan should have a single release. Making it only bundle with the vault is a low blow. I had a hell of a time getting the three vaults that i have. I dont want to think about six.
2018/04/24 20:36:48
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Nah it's not great imo. Sure, Destroyers and Tomb Blades aren't absolute garbage in combat, and can fall back and shoot, but they don't do the things that Wraiths and Scarabs do, which is tie up actually scary melee units. Throwing Canoptek units into things with high AP, high Damage weapons is ok because Wraiths have the 3++ and Scarabs are dirt cheap. Throwing away Destroyers or Tomb Blades into units of Thunder Hammers or big nasties like Hive Tyrants is just silly and a great way to lose your important units.
Yes, because all enemy units have thunder hammers and terminator armor Or you can charge that unit of hellblasters that you didn't quite kill off. Overwatch isn't that scary.
Sure, situationally using Destroyers/Tomb Blades to finish off a shooting unit is one thing. But the idea of trading out Wraiths and replacing with "well I'll just charge with my Destroyers" means you're going to get caught out by a lot of nasty stuff that Wraiths wouldn't care about as much.
2018/04/24 20:38:59
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
Yeah, trading out wraiths to use destroyers as a close combat unit isn't a good idea. Destroyers may be decent in CC compared to immortals, but there are better tools for that.
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2018/04/24 20:43:11
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
They look damned nice in a display, though.
2018/04/24 20:45:10
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
C) Its also huge. Where are you going to store 3 vaults?
D) How often are you going to play with 3 vaults? Its not a good investment.
Just wait for GW to drag their heads out of their asses and release T C'tan as an independent kit. This may take as long as the SoB release.
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2018/04/24 20:46:02
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
It'd also be quite a feat considering GW does not currently make this kit.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2018/04/24 20:48:48
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
It'd also be quite a feat considering GW does not currently make this kit.
??? Care to elaborate? It's currently out of stock, but not unavailable. If enough people click the notification button, they'll do another print run.
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2018/04/24 20:51:53
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
It'd also be quite a feat considering GW does not currently make this kit.
??? Care to elaborate? It's currently out of stock, but not unavailable. If enough people click the notification button, they'll do another print run.
They're going to be like Carnifexes - hardly ever in stock, but GW is nowhere near discontinuing them. I wouldn't be surprised if Doomsday Arks end up being similarly difficult to acquire, too.
2018/04/24 20:55:10
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
Nah it's not great imo. Sure, Destroyers and Tomb Blades aren't absolute garbage in combat, and can fall back and shoot, but they don't do the things that Wraiths and Scarabs do, which is tie up actually scary melee units. Throwing Canoptek units into things with high AP, high Damage weapons is ok because Wraiths have the 3++ and Scarabs are dirt cheap. Throwing away Destroyers or Tomb Blades into units of Thunder Hammers or big nasties like Hive Tyrants is just silly and a great way to lose your important units.
Yes, because all enemy units have thunder hammers and terminator armor Or you can charge that unit of hellblasters that you didn't quite kill off. Overwatch isn't that scary.
Sure, situationally using Destroyers/Tomb Blades to finish off a shooting unit is one thing. But the idea of trading out Wraiths and replacing with "well I'll just charge with my Destroyers" means you're going to get caught out by a lot of nasty stuff that Wraiths wouldn't care about as much.
It's a very good strategy against AM. Move up to shoot his artillery pieces, then charge into the guardsmen, either encircle some to keep them locked in combat, or fan out and charge as many as possible, including the vehicles of course, and he is now forced to waste his orders letting the guardsmen shoot, instead of giving them double shooting. And it'll push them backwards and backwards, denying them board control.
(Experienced first hand)
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2018/04/24 23:14:46
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
I want to try to use the monolith.
So what does it have?
1- Blocks LOS 2- Draw fire from big guns, can't really hide
3- Deepstrike for free
4- Make deepstrike other units. Like many at once.
5- Best if not the only way to teleport CC troops in manageable charge distance.
6- Shoots like a DDA that moves and scores a 6 on its D6 shots
7- Mostly imprevious to S3-S4 swarms of troops. Otherwise not an easy target to bring down, need focused fire. But it can be shot down in one turn preventing disembarking units.
8- Too expensive if you only look at the stats.
9- Work with Sautekh, Mephrit, Nikiliah
10- Proven alpha striker with the deceiver and teleportation corridor stratagem.
Seems to me in maps that use few LOS blocking scenery, monolith can help protect your units while they advance.
You have to shoot down any direct treats like macro and heavy weapons.
Having a cloacktek and a spyder is not a bad idea.
You may want to try a novokh close combat army with those. Droping lychguards, flayed ones, warriors, immortals here and there.
Monolith are not needed for wraiths, destroyers, pretorians, are a substitute to DDA, barges and stalker.
Is 2 monolith too much? What if you grand illusion 2 monoliths with the deceiver? Or you may just throw a monolith as a giant bait while the rest of your army manoeuvre.
So do you think there's something manageable there?
I have a suggestion
Spoiler:
Combat Bataillon +5CP Novokh
Unit Qty Unit Type COST
1 1 Anrakyr the Traveler HQ 167
1 1 Cryptek +cloak HQ 85
3 10 Immortals T 510
1 1 C'Tan Deceiver E 225
1 10 Flayed Ones E 170
1 10 Flayed Ones E 170
1 10 Lychguard E 300
1 1 Monolith Hv 381
2008
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2018/04/24 23:16:37
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
TOO LATE!
A. have you tried it?
B. Even if its amazing i highly doubt it will ever be prevalent. They are strong and are likely to do well in GW events but that list will struggle with ITC missions.
2018/04/25 00:59:10
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
So I just competed in the 3rd biggest team tournament in the world, and I scored the most points in our team with my crons, and we came 3rd overall.
I ran Neprekh.
Cryptek w chrono, LF 5 TImmortals
1 Nightbringer
1 TCtan
6 Destroyers
8 Blades, 8 vanes, 6 looms
5 wraiths
Ctan and their powers, are ridiculous. The Destroyers would drop down, kill the biggest threat and then when the Ctan would get into range, holy hell the mortal wounds they would dish out, on top of the vicious damage they do close range is amazing. Its not uber competitive, I got tabled by tank heavy guard, and we still struggle with vehicles but we are a good codex now. Mucho strongo.
I think there is still a case for destroyers post nerf, just have to keep coherency with cryptek T1, pref in cover out of LoS
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2018/04/25 01:01:31
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
Doctoralex wrote: I'm having trouble finding a purpose for the Nightbringer/ T. C'tan.
Do I send them up the board with a screen of Scarabs, acting as a distraction carnifex? Or do I hold him back so that he can go after enemy deep-strikers?
Or are they kind of worthless without the Deceiver throwing them forward?
After a bit more testing, the C'tan are basically swiss army knives. The Nightbringer gives you a solution to cc threats, while the transcendent ctan inflicts more mortal wounds.
It comes down to what gap you wanna patch in your list, and whether it has the flexibility to adjust, if you end up facing an opponent without deepstrike, or doesn't really care abt distraction fexes.
2018/04/25 01:07:56
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
TOO LATE!
A. have you tried it?
B. Even if its amazing i highly doubt it will ever be prevalent. They are strong and are likely to do well in GW events but that list will struggle with ITC missions.
At that very same team tournament, there was a 3 vault list (one was mine). It performed as you would expect, its a linear list if your list cant deal with 84 t7 4++ wounds youll lose. It went 20-0, 20-0, 0-20, 20-0.
A better list runs 2 and the deciver and gets rid of their main problem, range. GI all 3 into range t1 and you are having a good day
Doctoralex wrote: I'm having trouble finding a purpose for the Nightbringer/ T. C'tan.
Do I send them up the board with a screen of Scarabs, acting as a distraction carnifex? Or do I hold him back so that he can go after enemy deep-strikers?
Or are they kind of worthless without the Deceiver throwing them forward?
After a bit more testing, the C'tan are basically swiss army knives. The Nightbringer gives you a solution to cc threats, while the transcendent ctan inflicts more mortal wounds.
It comes down to what gap you wanna patch in your list, and whether it has the flexibility to adjust, if you end up facing an opponent without deepstrike, or doesn't really care abt distraction fexes.
Guys they are T7 4++ characters with 4 2+ ws, S7/2+ to wound attacks with -4 D6 damage. Also have undenyable smites.
What had a similar statline? Flyrants, except they were targatable.
Necrons can now have 5 untargetable flyrants on the board
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2018/04/25 01:12:37
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
TOO LATE!
A. have you tried it?
B. Even if its amazing i highly doubt it will ever be prevalent. They are strong and are likely to do well in GW events but that list will struggle with ITC missions.
I think he's saying that it will either be terrible, in which case you've wasted your money, or it'll be nerfed right quick, in which case you've also wasted your money.
As someone who does have a vault, I'm hoping people don't spam them till they go the way of the flyrant and the tau commander.
But who am I kidding. This is why we can't have nice things.
2018/04/25 01:34:05
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
rvd1ofakind wrote: Guys, you know what's quick way to waste money? Buy 3 vaults:
A) it's terrible and you wasted your money
B) it's amazing, immediatly gets nerfed and you waste your money( and piss off everyone else who used only 1).
Please... just don't...
TOO LATE!
A. have you tried it?
B. Even if its amazing i highly doubt it will ever be prevalent. They are strong and are likely to do well in GW events but that list will struggle with ITC missions.
I think he's saying that it will either be terrible, in which case you've wasted your money, or it'll be nerfed right quick, in which case you've also wasted your money.
As someone who does have a vault, I'm hoping people don't spam them till they go the way of the flyrant and the tau commander.
But who am I kidding. This is why we can't have nice things.
With three you dont have enough points to fill in the weakness the list has. It will never be what flyrants or commanders were. As for money, ive now paid $205 total for my three vaults. Not feeling like i wasted anything. Even if they get nerfed hard.
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2018/04/25 02:02:04
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
I'd love to try playing a list that has 2x Vaults 1x G.Pylon (Nihilakh Super Heavy Detach. Even if I don't get first turn I can still Grand.ill up the Vaults, pop their defense strat and hope for the best)... but to do so I'd have to win the lottery.
2018/04/25 04:07:13
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
Guys they are T7 4++ characters with 4 2+ ws, S7/2+ to wound attacks with -4 D6 damage. Also have undenyable smites.
What had a similar statline? Flyrants, except they were targatable.
Necrons can now have 5 untargetable flyrants on the board
Except Flyrants are faster, have twice as many wounds, have better ranged weapons, provided massive buffs to their army, and were 40 points cheaper.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2018/04/25 04:39:42
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
Guys they are T7 4++ characters with 4 2+ ws, S7/2+ to wound attacks with -4 D6 damage. Also have undenyable smites.
What had a similar statline? Flyrants, except they were targatable.
Necrons can now have 5 untargetable flyrants on the board
Except Flyrants are faster, have twice as many wounds, have better ranged weapons, provided massive buffs to their army, and were 40 points cheaper.
Exactly. A Tyranids list Relies on a Flyrant. If our C'tan lives or dies it doesn't really affect our lists as a whole. If a Tyrant or anything with Synapse dies than anything relying on those buffs becomes slightly worse. We use C'tan as MW machines while some Nid list really rely on there Tyrants.
Flyrants are good but because it can be focused fired due to having more than 10W it's a much easier target to kill than any of our C'tans. Also, you can only run 3 Tyrants now. Much easier to get them off the table.
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torblind wrote: Are there synergies in the codex that play well with the T CTan?
Pretty much nothing in the book really interacts with any of the C'tan, other than the Deceiver redeploying them. The best "synergy" is Scarabs and Wraiths hiding the C'tan and letting one get off their powers and protecting them from scary shooting/charging. A Novokh Outrider with a DLord, 6 Wraiths, some Scarabs, and a C'tan is actually pretty scary to roam around midfield with.
2018/04/25 06:13:36
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
torblind wrote: Are there synergies in the codex that play well with the T CTan?
Pretty much nothing in the book really interacts with any of the C'tan, other than the Deceiver redeploying them. The best "synergy" is Scarabs and Wraiths hiding the C'tan and letting one get off their powers and protecting them from scary shooting/charging. A Novokh Outrider with a DLord, 6 Wraiths, some Scarabs, and a C'tan is actually pretty scary to roam around midfield with.
I keep seeing the DLord in lists, but from a math point of view his damage output is fairly mediocre. He wants to go after elite infantry with multiple wounds, but those aren't to prevalent in this edition, are they? The destroyer buff is next to pointless.
2018/04/25 09:17:56
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
torblind wrote: Are there synergies in the codex that play well with the T CTan?
Pretty much nothing in the book really interacts with any of the C'tan, other than the Deceiver redeploying them. The best "synergy" is Scarabs and Wraiths hiding the C'tan and letting one get off their powers and protecting them from scary shooting/charging. A Novokh Outrider with a DLord, 6 Wraiths, some Scarabs, and a C'tan is actually pretty scary to roam around midfield with.
I keep seeing the DLord in lists, but from a math point of view his damage output is fairly mediocre. He wants to go after elite infantry with multiple wounds, but those aren't to prevalent in this edition, are they? The destroyer buff is next to pointless.
You take him because he's relatively independent and just needs the Casket to do whatever.
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2018/04/25 10:09:47
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
Da W wrote: I want to try to use the monolith.
So what does it have?
I tried something similar last night. The most you can get out of the monolith is to Grand Illusion it forward, then bring 2 units in from the tomb world and 1 through the Dimensional Corridor strat. I went for more shooty units than hand to hand, and I used a Cryptek with the Veil to bring another unit up. This was the list:
Mephrit Battalion:
Spoiler:
Anrakyr (Grand Illusioned)
Veil Tek (VoD T1)
20x Warriors (VoD T1)
10x Immortals (Tomb World, deploy from mono T1)
10x Immortals (Tomb World, deploy from mono T1)
Deceiver (Grand Illusioned)
10x Lychguard (dimensional corridor to monolith T1)
5x Destroyers
Monolith (Grand Illusioned)
I was up against Girlyman, Aggressors, Centurions, some crazy forge world dreadnoughts and a few units of scouts.
I got first turn (kind of important lol) and found a gap in the scout screen to Grand Illusion the Monolith, Deceiver and Anrakyr 12" from his pile of guns gathered around Girlyman. On the first turn I brought both immortal units and the Lychguard out of the Monolith straight into his lines. The Cryptek Veiled up the Warrior blob into rapids and the Destroyers did a normal move to get in range of the Aggressors.
So for my first shooting phase everything was in half range for Mephrit goodness, the Lychguard were able to charge and Anrakyr and the Cryptek were in the middle of it all giving buffs to everyone.
My dice were bad but I still killed a lot of stuff and tied more up in assault. From there it was a brutal game where objectives were forgotten. We called it on turn 5 when I had the Monolith, Destroyers and Anrakyr left vs his 3 units of scouts.
It's a silly list that relies too much on getting 1st turn, but man it makes the Monolith seem cool. It appears right in front of the enemy and a whole army pours out of it, as it should be.
2018/04/25 10:26:12
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
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