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Skink Chief with Poisoned Javelins






A message from the Fallen:

I’d like to introduce myself; I have been called many things…Daisy, Monkey, Master of Nothing, Neon, Old Man and most recently a Terrorist. My real name is Chris Seehafer and I am the Father of the Fallen.

I need to apologize on the behalf of our club. The Fallen have been in a year long struggle with a monster that nearly brought our chapter of brotherhood to its knees. We have let the community down because we did not seek your aid, and we seek your forgiveness at this time. The Fallen have been decimated and scattered, and now in our darkest hour we need your help.

We apologize for the timing of our resignation if it impacted your GT plans. We have been told we failed on deliverables, but the fact of the matter is The Fallen have been in an epic struggle with a beast that threatens the very essence of the hobby we love.

You see the Fallen don’t have a chain of command, or deliverables, corporate agendas, lawyers or even dues. What we do have is like minded goal of creating tournaments we’d like to play in. We treat each other nice and we have fun with our labor of love that is the hobby.

We volunteered to assist in the running of these tournaments out of good faith and love. We were told we would have control of it. Instead we have been treated rude, stiffed with storage cost for months, told we had to let cheaters play, forced to relocate our production, and had production backed up for months due to lack of funding. Yet in the end we failed on our deliveries? There was no contract discussing a list of deliveries, we were volunteers trying to a good thing for our community and we were treated in a way that’s unimaginable.

Shame on you Mondo.

The fact of the matter is despite all these challenges we were in a position to run this tournament almost to the end. We came out $600 ahead of budget and we can’t even recoup our out of pocket because the monster wants receipts for his accounting purposes. Strange he needs receipts at the end when the good faith agreement was that he pay for the materials in advance. He needs receipts when he has the tables locked up in his storage?

For those of you that can talk to Mondo please let him know Father Fallen would appreciate a phone call to discuss this matter. Well, and if he doesn’t call, that’s okay because I have receipts and I intend to deliver them personally at the tournement. 253-709-3076

We tried to prevent all of this by sitting down with him and discussing the matter and he simply canceled our meetings repeatedly.

You see throughout this process I have had a lot of people telling me things, but then doing something entirely different. For 10 years I have been championing this hobby the best way I can. I do what I say I’m going to do, and I treat the people around me with respect and kindness and its benefited me by enriching my life with friends I will keep forever.

I want to meet everyone of you at this tourney and hear your GT stories. I will do my best to see that this happens, however it may be a challenge to do it on the show floor. That’s fine by me because I prefer to conduct business at the bar in the open or in a room over cocktails. I have a story to share with all of you and you should all hear it because it’s important, there is a monster in our midst that claims to have our interest at heart, and it is a lie.

The taste of defeat was frustrating, but the voice of the Emperor whispered, “Let your pride go” and once I did the path was clear. The Fallen are a single Chapter brought down by a monster that drains all that is good about our hobby. But the community is an entire army not just one chapter, and if I call them they will answer the call, and they will cast the beast out and we will rejoice.

Please pass these words along.

And finally, as a gesture of our good faith in our community we will be giving away several thousand dollars worth of painted GW terrain at the conclusion of this years event. All that we ask is that you respect each other on the floor, you treat each other right and you have fun. Exchange a phone number with a good opponent and inquire about some of the local clubs. Oh, and seek out Father Fallen and hear is story.

In case anyone would like to dispute my claims I have over a year’s worth of detail on the matter on our club forum that I would be more than willing to share.

BTW I know this is long, its important.

Nwfallen.com
Father Fallen
Tseehafer@comcast.net

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Union, Kentucky United States

ahhh I heard about this, this was the group that hyjaked all the terrain at the last minute right? I know all the GW stores in the area were scramblimg to build what was needed in the short time left. Bravo fallen yep a bunch of winners!

Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House!  
   
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Empchild wrote:ahhh I heard about this, this was the group that hyjaked all the terrain at the last minute right? I know all the GW stores in the area were scramblimg to build what was needed in the short time left. Bravo fallen yep a bunch of winners!


No terrain was "hyjacked". There was a HUGE amount of terrain that was being worked on by The Fallen for this event... That terrain was available to GW to use. They chose not to pursue this option and started working on more terrain themselves. I believe that issue has been fixed and they will use both the terrain GW made and the terrain The Fallen has been working. Also the terrain that The Fallen had been working (thousands of dollars worth) will be given away at the conclusion of the GT.

Just thought I would help shed some light on the matter.

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Union, Kentucky United States

BigBaDaBoom wrote:
Empchild wrote:ahhh I heard about this, this was the group that hyjaked all the terrain at the last minute right? I know all the GW stores in the area were scramblimg to build what was needed in the short time left. Bravo fallen yep a bunch of winners!


No terrain was "hyjacked". There was a HUGE amount of terrain that was being worked on by The Fallen for this event... That terrain was available to GW to use. They chose not to pursue this option and started working on more terrain themselves. I believe that issue has been fixed and they will use both the terrain GW made and the terrain The Fallen has been working. Also the terrain that The Fallen had been working (thousands of dollars worth) will be given away at the conclusion of the GT.

Just thought I would help shed some light on the matter.


whatever helps you sleep at night, I was part of the NWGG and we would have never pulled what the fallen did, but hey to each their own
   
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Bothell, WA

Lot of first time posters feel the need to come on here and post this stuff? Seems odd. I'm no fan of Mondo or the way he runs tournaments, but this sounds like the fallen had some issues with Mondo and decided to take their ball & go home.

I'll be attending Conquest NW, hopefully I'll get in 5 good games on gaming tables with good terrain.

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Yeah I honestly feel like a tool making that my first post here actually. But I was asked to by See so we could try to explain our side.

I know in the future the rest of my posts won't be so obnoxous or troublemaking.

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Confused - care to clarify what happened?

All I knew was that Conquest NW didn't want my moolah ;P

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Union, Kentucky United States

Just an update because eh why not. I talked with some friends of mine late last night who are running this event, and as of then the Fallen still had not delivered the terrain... Yep stand up peeps I tell ya.

P.S the tourney starts tonight!

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Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House!  
   
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Bothell, WA

Actually it starts tomorrow Judges meeting with players is tonight.

Salamander Marines 65-12-13
Dark Eldar Wych Cult 4-1-0
Dark Eldar Kabal 36-10-4
2010 Indy GT Tournament Record: 11-6-3
Golden Ticket Winner with Dark Eldar
Timmah wrote:Best way to use lysander:
Set in your storage bin, pick up vulkan model, place in list.
 
   
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Union, Kentucky United States

asugradinwa wrote:Actually it starts tomorrow Judges meeting with players is tonight.


ya big diff, when your running a tourney you want everything set up the night before.

Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House!  
   
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Bothell, WA

I'm just saying that the Fallen could drop off all the terrain today. I went by the battle bunker in Bellevue last night & they have a on of terrian that was being worked on for the tournament, meaning that it hasn't been delivered either.

Actually got a chance to talk with Chase, who won Best Overall last year. He created a lot of the terrain at the bunker and it looked really good! I thank him for all his effort to have good terrain at Conquest.

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Dark Eldar Wych Cult 4-1-0
Dark Eldar Kabal 36-10-4
2010 Indy GT Tournament Record: 11-6-3
Golden Ticket Winner with Dark Eldar
Timmah wrote:Best way to use lysander:
Set in your storage bin, pick up vulkan model, place in list.
 
   
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Union, Kentucky United States

asugradinwa wrote:
Actually got a chance to talk with Chase, who won Best Overall last year. He created a lot of the terrain at the bunker and it looked really good! I thank him for all his effort to have good terrain at Conquest.


yes I know Gordon very well in fact I talked to him last night by phone. He knows me very well too as he was mymentor back in 02 when I got back into the hobby.

Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House!  
   
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Empchild wrote:Just an update because eh why not. I talked with some friends of mine late last night who are running this event, and as of then the Fallen still had not delivered the terrain... Yep stand up peeps I tell ya.

P.S the tourney starts tonight!


You can believe what you like... But GW did not want the terrain. They went ahead and started making new terrain on their own. The Fallen are still donating the terrain that was made. Arrangements are being made with Conquest now to drop off the bulk of the terrain today.
   
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Bothell, WA

Who's Gordon? I talked to Chase Lindo, the 40k overall winner. There was another guy painting terrain last night & I didn't catch his name, maybe that was Gordon.

Either way I'm looking forward to a good tournament! Hopefully I finish painting before midnight!

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Dark Eldar Wych Cult 4-1-0
Dark Eldar Kabal 36-10-4
2010 Indy GT Tournament Record: 11-6-3
Golden Ticket Winner with Dark Eldar
Timmah wrote:Best way to use lysander:
Set in your storage bin, pick up vulkan model, place in list.
 
   
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IMO the event should have made the terrain themselves lol seeing how they are charging 75 anyway I don't see the fallen as d bags. A lot of those members are gw members actually soooo Lol. Conquestpeoplee very poor in communication. I sent emails about some questions. Months ago multiple times. I just a reply last night. Lol

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Union, Kentucky United States

asugradinwa wrote:Who's Gordon? I talked to Chase Lindo, the 40k overall winner. There was another guy painting terrain last night & I didn't catch his name, maybe that was Gordon.

Either way I'm looking forward to a good tournament! Hopefully I finish painting before midnight!


His real name is Gordon Chase Lindo, tell him when you see him again you talked to princess. He will know what you are talking about.

@bogdadaboom: they would not have had to make their own if your gaming club didn't act like crying babies and take the terrain over stupid drama.... yep glad im not out in that region anymore.

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Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House!  
   
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Empchild wrote:@bogdadaboom: they would not have had to make their own if your gaming club didn't act like crying babies and take the terrain over stupid drama.... yep glad im not out in that region anymore.


See here is the thing... You're not listening, you may not want to... that's fine. But no one took the terrain... no one hijacked anything. The terrain was there and ready to be handed over. GW decided to go about things a different way. GW started making terrain and The Fallen have been in contact with GW about getting the terrain they made into the hands of GW for the GT.

Fact of the matter is there are about 4 different sides this particular story. People are making assumptions off of hearsay instead of facts. There have been issues on all sides involved (and all sides have admitted to that).

The Fallen want those attending the tournament to have a great time this weekend.

P.s. Are you the same "Princess" that used to hand out dice necklaces to people he played against?

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Union, Kentucky United States

I live in boston so after hearing most of the side to this I have stated my opinon of your gaming club... yep you promised something then ran away for some really rather stupid reasons.Think what you want but I will keep my opinon on the FALLEN.

Now if you want to keep disscussing this in open forum then I as a Admin to move this to disscussions.

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Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House!  
   
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Actually that is a good idea. Could you move this to the discussions area?

Because i know more people will and do have an opinion on this.

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Either way is fine.

Empchild I also sent you a PM so this can be moved to discussion area... or just taken to PM between us. Which ever you prefer.

Thanks
   
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Bothell, WA

Thanks umm Princess!

So anyone else going?

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Well, all I know is that I made about 50 peices of terrain at the Bunker as part of "Operation, Save Conquest." A two week effort, we, the patrons and staff of the Seattle Battle Bunker, built almost 1000 Pieces of terrain (most of it 40K) for conquest NW.
They way I heard it, is that 2 1/2 weeks prior to the event, the Fallen pulled their support, including the 100 tables made at local GW's and hobby shops, taking up almost half of the table space and devoting it to the private enterprise.

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I'm going to go saturday to watch~


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sniperjolly wrote:Well, all I know is that I made about 50 peices of terrain at the Bunker as part of "Operation, Save Conquest." A two week effort, we, the patrons and staff of the Seattle Battle Bunker, built almost 1000 Pieces of terrain (most of it 40K) for conquest NW.
They way I heard it, is that 2 1/2 weeks prior to the event, the Fallen pulled their support, including the 100 tables made at local GW's and hobby shops, taking up almost half of the table space and devoting it to the private enterprise.


I can only guess this is one of two people... You guys did a great job on the terrain... But I am sorry you misinformed. The Fallen did pull their support for the GT... the tables were already in the hands of Conquest and the terrain just needed to be arranged to be given to GW. I think there is a huge miscommunication between the different groups here... but whats done is done. The terrain was offered... even tonight it was still offered... but again it was refused.
   
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Union, Kentucky United States

Oo yep update the fallen DID NOT yep DID NOT turn in the terrain as they stated they would... way to make yourselves look like tools.. OO and I heard you guys were the ones rags tried to bring into the NWGG any truth to the rummors that you have one Mr. Martin Crash in your club?

Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House!  
   
Made in us
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Empchild wrote:Oo yep update the fallen DID NOT yep DID NOT turn in the terrain as they stated they would... way to make yourselves look like tools.. OO and I heard you guys were the ones rags tried to bring into the NWGG any truth to the rummors that you have one Mr. Martin Crash in your club?


I have already explained in another thread... The terrain was brought to the GT and was told it was not needed. They turned the terrain away.

There is no one named Martin Crash in our club. I know there is a guy named "Crash" is the DBC (Dead Body Crew, I think thats what the stands for) based out of Olympia. *shrug*
   
 
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