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Now, I really like the fluff of the codicies- I normally thoroughly enjoy reading through each one to really get a flavour for the character of the race, and just generally find it fasinating reading about them in the 40k universe. However, this codex, quite frankly, had me cringing. I'm not saying it wasn't well written, or didn't make sence - the best way to describe my thoughts on it would be to give the analogy of the kid on the playground who, when he gets "shot" by his friend during a game of Cowboys and Indians, informs everyone that he is impervious to bullets as he is "wearing Class IV Wizard Armour". Lets see what I mean...

Tyranid : Hey guys, did I mention how we're the best? I mean there's gazallions of us!!
Marine : Yeah, that's true - but common, we're Gods of War... we're really awesome at battlefield tactics, so at least we can outsmart you!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this dude which is a TACTICAL GENIOUS and is better than even your smartest man and I'll even write a story about how he outsmarted him and than kicked his ass!
Eldar : Right, but look at us, I mean, common - we're a race of ninjas!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this dude which eats your souls of your craftworld and then becomes a SUPER SAIN PSYCHIC NINJA and kills everyone in your craftworld and eats their souls so they're extra dead!
Orks : Whatever, we can handle you - we're pretty numerous too ya know, plus we have spores and stuff to multiply right then and there - you need to devour a plannet to get your numbers back!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we only need a few dudes on a planet and we make these secret spawning pool thingies so can multiply even FASTER, and we're smarter and have loads of assasins to take out your big bosses!
IG : Yeah yeah, I know, you're tougher than us, blah blah blah - but at least we have warp travel, you take AGES to go from plannet to planet, at least we have plenty of time to get our fleets ready and bolster our defenses...
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this space pod dude which like uses gravity and magic and pulls our fleet towards your planet REALLY REALLY fast, and it also causes loads of earthquakes on the planet we're after!
Tau : What about us? Ok, we're small - but even our basic troops have awsome guns and we adapt really fast!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... our dudes adapt even faster! And we can evolve magic armour that makes us invinsible to your awesome weapons, and can go invisible!
Dark Eldar What about us?
Tyranid : lol no.

I honestly believe the only reason there isn't anything in the fluff that mentions Tyranids eating Necron metal and the Shadow in the Warp blocking Chaos from their gods was because they ran out of room. Anyone else feel the same way?

I haven't read the codex myself but have played against the Tyrs as of late..
Your synopsis is quiet amusing though.. Maybe I will purchase one and have a look see..

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Lets see what I mean...

. Thank you for giving me this wonderful opportunity to disturb my sleeping neighbors with roaring laughter.

Fluff nothing. That's pretty much how it feels in game. It's like every time I think I've got an ace up my sleeve, my 'Nid opponent has some way to counter it.

I love it. Spot on completely. I hadn't thought of it in those terms, but 100% accurate.

Just wait, in the upcoming Blood Angels codex they'll come up with some fluff reason why they're the hardest dudes in the Galaxy, but haven't conquered all because they spend 95% of their time sitting alone in their rooms cutting themselves and listening to Morrisey.

Sigh. Sad but true.

I play Eldar. 'Nids make my psychic powers harder to cast.
I play Marines. 'Nids overwhelm me, even with their 'elite' lists.

I got my revenge though. Got the drop on 10 genestealers w/ broodlord with my space clowns. My opponent had never seen space clowns before, he thought his stealers would destroy me. Killed all but three stealers and sweeping advanced the rest. The clowns got shot to death next turn but it was totally worth it.

I honestly believe the only reason there isn't anything in the fluff that mentions Tyranids eating Necron metal and the Shadow in the Warp blocking Chaos from their gods was because they ran out of room. Anyone else feel the same way?

I think you're forgetting that Necrons were the original "Oh Yeah" army.

We are the Emperor's Space Marines, and we know no fear! While few in number, each one of us super strong and resilient, clad in the greatest armor the galaxy has seen, carrying the deadly bolter against those who defy us, and one of us can fight off a thousand foes!

Oh yeah? Well we're just as strong and resilient as you are. And plus, we have just as good of armor, because we're made out of metal, and it's not just regular metal, it's like the magic metal from Terminator 2 and it is like all the best parts of not being metal made into metal, and plus, that doesn't matter because whenever you think you kill us we just come back because we can all raise ourselves from the dead, and plus our guns shoot lasers out of them and they don't even just kill you they turn you into like dust and you don't even exist any more.

Yoo fink yur so grate, toasta boy? Dunt yoo no how many Orkz dere is? If we wuz all foightin' at da same time, we'd stomp da onniverse flat!

Oh yeah well you know what you don't even know how many of us there are so maybe there are more of us than you because, like, only 1% of all the necrons are even the ones you see because the rest are all just waiting to arise and destroy all life in the universe. Also it's not even like we fight against ourselves we just decide that we are going to not kill you guys yet because we think it's fun not to kill you guys when we can do it so easy because there are like a billion of us and we're just not killing you yet even though we totally could and we probably will really soon if you're not nice to us.

We do not fear you! Our civilization was vast when the Mon'Keigh were but apes swinging through the trees!

Oh well guess what we're even more ancient and powerful than you because if you're like a million years old we're like a million billion years old, and also we were like the first people to ever exist ever and then everyone came after us and by that time we already discovered all the technology and we were already the most powerful and our gods were even more powerful than the regular guys. And also the people who made you and were really old but not as old our gods who are the oldest got into a fight with us and even though they were so powerful our gods were even more powerful and we beat you guys in the fight and then you were all sad and then we were going to kill everybody but then we decided that instead we would just take a nap during the big fight because no one can even hurt so why would we even care.

Ah, you are religious too then? The four great gods of Chaos make mortals tremble before them. If they ever pierce the veil that separates them from this world they would wreak hell upon all of existence.

Oh yeah well you're so cool because you have four gods I don't even care because I also got four gods and do you know what they're even better than your ones. Your gods aren't even that great because they're all stuck in the warp but my gods aren't even stuck and they're all still right here and they always exist and they're a lot older than your gods and also they're like super powerful and they're not afraid of anyone and like one of them is so tricky that he can fool anyone and he has like "the tricker" or something because he can always trick you and you can't even do anything about it. And then the other one is like the most scary and he can always kill you and actually he looks just like death and is really scary and hes so scary that he scared everybody who ever lived and even when they weren't born yet they were scared by him being so scary so they will be scared when they are born. And like one of them is really so crazy that I can't even tell you about him because he's too crazy and it would make you crazy if I told you anything about him and then there's like another one and I don't know what he does yet.

That's pretty intimidating. However, we will overcome you with time; our technology is rapidly progressing, and soon we will know more than even the mighty Eldar!

Oh yeah well you know what we already know more then them and plus do you want to know something about the fourth god who I forgot what he does I just remembered and he's the god of technology, so if you think you got the best technology you don't even because we have a whole god of technology and he knows everything about it and he gave all the best technology ever to us and all the technology that the Imperium has is actually ours if it's really cool, and we can use our technology to do like magic even though it's not really magic but it's only because you can't even understand how advanced the technology is so don't even try you suck.

The Hive Fleet laughs at your puny forces; we are not only without number, but out fleets devour entire planets, and we can never be destroyed so long as we have more flesh to consume.

Oh yeah well you know what we can never be destroyed EVER and we don't even have to win fights even though we always win fights because we are so powerful and even if lose we would just TELEPORT away and you can never catch us and then we fix ourselves because are made of metal and then we can just teleport back and fight you and we can do that for a million billion years and even if we always lose we are still the same amount of strongness and so we always win eventually. And also you know what I don't even care if devour planets because our gods are so powerful that they don't even care about planets at all because they eat whole STARS and those are like twice the size of planets and they're made of fire and the gods don't even care because they're not even scared of fire and you know what you think you can eat people well you can't eat us because we're made out of metal ha ha how do you even eat metal you can't and you run away from us all the time because we're too powerful and made out of metal and we can just kill you and there's nothing you can do about it.

Sure, your infantry sounds good, but do you think you can stop the tanks of the Imperial Guard?

Oh yeah I can its easy and you know what I don't even any special weapons to kill tanks because like each one of my guys is as strong as a tank even though he's only the size of a regular guy and his gun is so powerful that it's like pew pew and the tank just disappears and it just turns into dust and I don't even care how big it is because my guys have the best lasers and they can kill everything and it's really easy and they can just kill all the tanks even if they're all land raiders and all I got is my normal guys. And also we have our own tank but it's not even like a regular tank it's a hundred times as big and it looks like a big mountain or something or maybe like a pyramid from TV or like a big hunk of rock except it's made out of solid metal and it's HUGE and it's way bigger than your tank and it also has no weakness so even if you're anywhere you can't hurt any easier than anywhere else, and you can't even hurt it anyway because it's so big and also it has a big crystal on top and it's really big an huge like from my Legos and and can shoot a GIANT LASER that's even bigger than a regular laser and then if it doesn't want to shoot a laser at one thing it can just shoot lasers ALL OVER THE PLACE and it doesn't need wheels because it can fly around and it can fly right out of the sky and land on you and it doesn't care because it's so big and strong and also it can be like zap zap and it can make my guys disappear and then appear again so all my guys can be everywhere and also even though my tank is a tank and you can't kill it with regular bullets it's a special tank, and all of the stuff that kills tanks can't kill it, and neither can regular bullets, and neither can the stuff that regularly kills tanks so you can't even stop it.

On planetside you may be dangerous, but that means little to the Imperial Navy!

Oh yeah well you know what the necrons are the most dangerous space ship guys in the whole galaxy and if you want to fight their space ships you can't even do it because they're so fast and they're all like neeeerow! neeeeerow! and then you can't shoot them because you can't even hit them because they're so fast and also they have force fields all over them and even if you hit them and you can't because they're too fast they have the force fields and also they have the lasers and the lasers can blow up ships like they blow up tanks and also do you know what else they never even have to be scared of the warp like your stupid ships because you know what they don't even need to use the warp because it's stupid and they know a lot of technology and they can just use the thing they use in Star Wars.

Oh yeah well... um... look at my spooky spikes! Aren't they scary looking, like they could poke you! Also, I like to do slavery and put needles in your wing wang, do you think you can be as scary as me?

Oh yeah I'm more scary than you lol you think spikes are scary and you think you're all so scary with your skulls well guess what my guys are robots but they're also SKELETONS FROM THE DEAD and they COME FROM THE DEAD and they are still metal so they're not like bones that you break lol but they're still like skeletons and also there's these guys and they have big fingernails and they scratch you until you die and also there are GHOSTS and they are really fast and you can't even stop them and it doesn't even matter how powerful your gun is because they're ghosts lol and you can't kill ghosts with a gun that's stupid and also you know what they are robot skeletons and also they hav NO SOULS and they have DAMNED SOULS inside of them and actually, some of them have NO SOULS and some of them have DAMNED SOULS and sometimes they get so scary that even if your'e really brave you have be scared anyways (and if you're already scared yo just stay scared lol) and also you know what the necrons gods like to eat souls and they also like to do slavery so they can have more slaves and then they eat the souls from the slaves but also from everyone and the robot skeletons are also really mad all the time and not RAGH! mad but just like really mad in their eyes and you don't even want to look in their eyes because they are so mad that all the parts of them that aren't mad are gone so now they're just mad and nothing else so you can't even be their friend or anything because they don't even want friends they just want to kill because they're so mad and they want to KILL EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME and that's the only thing they ever care about is to KILL EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME from being mad.

::EDIT:: OH GOD THE TEXT WALL

I think this should be required reading for everybody in the whole world.
Even those that don't play.

I agree with Grotzooka.

Orkeosaurus wrote:if you want to fight their space ships you can't even do it because they're so fast and they're all like neeeerow! neeeeerow!

Kinda like my ork shootas that go

Brilliant, just brilliant..

Orkeosaurus


I almost died laughing

post of the year, easily

It's their codex. I thought that they were supposed to be up themselves.

They have the tyranids beat an ENTIRE PLANET of iron warriors. That's a grand company, aka 1000 Iron Warriors. And over 600 defilers. And a planet COVERED IN FORTRESSES. Tyranids beat this.

Tyranids could not beat 100 ultramarines in an ice cave.

WHAT.

I'm happy people bothered to read my post at all!

@ph34r: lolwut? Is this in the nid dex? BTW, why is there a Defilier for every 2 Iron warriors?!?

@Orkeo: Care to make any other 'We Winz' codexes?

For the Emperor!

Wot? Orkses are da biggest an' da strongest!

METAL BAWKSES!

We shall fall upon you like wind and fire!

METAL BAWKSES!

NOMNOMNO-

METAL BAWKSES!

For the greater go-

METAL BAWKSES!

101001110001010101111000-

METAL BAWKSES!

Well we have tanks! They're sorta like-

METAL BAWKSES!

We are Legio-

METAL BAWKSES!

Gah, I'm all out of inspiration.

You've read Kyoto's summaries of the various multi-colored space marines, right?

Yes and they amuse me. (Well, I haven't read ALL of them...)

Emperors Faithful wrote:@ph34r: lolwut? Is this in the nid dex? BTW, why is there a Defilier for every 2 Iron warriors?!?

UK White Dwarf 362, February 2010's WD.

Lexicanum describes it as:

Forgefane boasted some of the most formidable defenses ever seen; massive citadels and bastions covered the landscape; each protected by miles of trenches, mine fields and razorwire as well as void shields and vast quantities of ordinance. The planet also garrisoned an entire Grand Company of Iron Warriors; titans and Defilers.

The Fall of Forgefane

Forgefane's defenses were more than adequate to stop the initial Tyranid landings, with the defenses even stopping multiple assaults by Bio-Titans; Gargoyles and Harridans. It wasn't until the Hive Fleet launched attacks from beneath the fortress, using Trygons to tunnel into the fortresses that the fall truly began. These underground assaults broke supply lines and isolated defenses, even managing to annihilate over 600 Defilers in a couple of hours. Shortly after, the fortress World fell.

Ok so by this logic the Ultra's 1st must be equal to a whole chapter plus 600 defilers and a company of titans

Someone at GW needs to think things through before publishing any old to get people to but the new army.

That is simply ridiculous. poor Iron Warriors, what have they done to deserve GW's hate

DEATH89 wrote:That is simply ridiculous. poor Iron Warriors, what have they done to deserve GW's hate

Exactly. You'd've thought the current Chaos Codex was a big enough slap in the face to IW players. Now this!

What if they painted their armour blue and put some horse shoes on their armour for luck?

Well said OP. It's a fact that every codex seems to leave one wondering, "Well clearly this particular army is invincible so why haven't they conquered the universe?" Each subsequent codex has to top the previous one in claiming it's just a matter of time...

Then they would be awesome again of course, blue paint and horseshoes? Blue's lucky for orks and horseshoes? Maybe thats why the Smurfs are GW's gloryboys, they're just that damned lucky, and the Nids can be blue (should they want) and maybe -having hooves- they may have a collection of horseshoes......

*runs off to go paint himself blue, steal horseshoes and spend life's savings on lottery tickets*

Huh, are you new to Tyranids or is this just a knee-jerk from reading what others are saying? They've always done that, that's their thing: constantly evolving and improving. Since each and every creature is directly created by the Hive Mind you're surprised that even during the course of a single planetary assault they evolve?

And Calgar getting his ass kicked is not from this codex. All it did was give some more details on what happened and who did it.

I do like that even in their own new codex, Nids can't beat Necrons. They meet them twice in the codex, and lose both times.

During their invasion of the Tau, one of their tendrils is wiped out by Necrons coming out of the moon.

During Behemoth two of their Hive Fleet tendrils detour around a Necron world, run out of food and go dormant.

Necrons for Fluff Kings!

DEATH89 wrote:Ok so by this logic the Ultra's 1st must be equal to a whole chapter plus 600 defilers and a company of titans

Someone at GW needs to think things through before publishing any old to get people to but the new army.

That is simply ridiculous. poor Iron Warriors, what have they done to deserve GW's hate

I agree with this statement. Its entirely reasonable that each Codex has some fluff from its own POV, but enough is enough. After a certain point self-aggrandizement becomes a farce. 600 Defilers in a few hours ? The Iron Warriors, arguable one of the best ( if not THE best ) siege specialists in the Galaxy did NOT take into account the possibility of tunnels? Seriously?

@ph34r: That was obviously a prostitution of the word 'fluff' in order to sell more Trygons.

Vhalyar wrote:Huh, are you new to Tyranids or is this just a knee-jerk from reading what others are saying? They've always done that, that's their thing: constantly evolving and improving. Since each and every creature is directly created by the Hive Mind you're surprised that even during the course of a single planetary assault they evolve?

And Calgar getting his ass kicked is not from this codex. All it did was give some more details on what happened and who did it.

Vhalyr, you're aware that the new details of the events in this Codex haven't actually been "discovered" since the 4th edition codex? The 4th edition summed up the defense of Maccrage as "Space Marines were very great at tactics and defence, but goddamn, there was so many of the angry buggars". The 5th edition summed up the defense of Maccrage as "Space Marines were very great at tactics and defense, but TYRANIDS ARE EVEN BETTER! p.s. there's also loads of angry buggars".

The point I've been making, is that up to now the success of the Tyranids could be summed up as "Despite the strengths of the various races, whether it be battlefield expertise, technology or other, the galaxy is under threat because the tyranid is a unyeilding and innumerous foe". But the 5th edition has now spun this around with "Despite the strengths of the various races, wether it be battleifeld expertise, technology, or other, well bucko, the Tyranids can do it better! And they're an unyeilding and innumerous foe!"

40k has always had a delicate balance between the races where each one had strengths and weaknesses, all dancing about in a vunerable yet aparrent stalemate; however, the great thing about the fluff for each race was that each one was in a postition were it was plausable that they could actually, eventually come out on top - hell, threads about "who would eventually conquer the galaxy" could go on for pages of debates, and that was the beauty of it. But now the new Tyranid codex has pretty much done away with this with nothing short of an intervention from a Dallas script writer preventing the outcome of this debate being unquestionable. All over the evolutionary equilivant of "a wizard did it".

@Orkeosaurus: Very true, the Necron codex could be considered the original "Oh Yeah?" codex! But the big difference is that at least the author was sensible enough to imply the threat to the galaxy as a "What if it's true?" scenario - i.e. "what if there IS a C'Tan on Mars??". If the Tyranid author had written it, there would have been a 2 page description of how mars had transformed into friggin Unicron or something.

the OP is completely right.
at least until the next codex comes out, because BA's are going to make everyone else seem rubbish, at least until the next codex comes out, then they will make everyone else seem crap, until the next codex comes out. You see where I'm going with this