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Combat Jumping Tiger Soldier





WA state USA

I have heard all of the list of things people say on these. I went ahead and traded anyways thinking a small deal to start. Lucky I have started small, maybe still to soon to say I have been scammed but the way it is turning out, I am starting this report.

I had a trade with Kavion, 2 ork trukks (his) for a paintball air tank (mine) I put up a few weeks ago. He is on the "Reputable trader list" as well as having a member with many posts vouch for him. I shipped the air tank on 01/29, he received on 02/01, I had delivery confirmation on the package. We live fairly close, 2 days in transit (excluding Sunday) is about what I thought. As soon as I sent (01/29), all communication with him stopped. I have messaged him daily since he received. The deal was when he got it, he would send right away. It is now the end of the week and I have not heard 1 peep out of him. If anyone knows him, please tell him to message me, or send my ork trukks or my air tank back and message me. If he is just a little behind, communication could have easily helped this report from sounding so bleak.

If I decide to trade more, it may be on a different site, I am saying this because I know I will get about 3 people on here telling me about Bartertown etc. I will let people know if Kavion comes through, it just does not look good when someone gets an item and doesn't respond.

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Hi J-Roc77 , I know the original agreement is him to be sending your package right away upon him receiving yours.

But generally people try to give the suspect the benefit of the doubt.
In other words , for all we know he might be just lazy , or he might be a scammer , or he might actually have some sort of emergency .

I know there is no way to check atm, i would suggest waiting alittle bit more ( by Monday i guess would be enough time aka 1 whole week to hear from him )

Here i dug this up: He seem to be slow on responding and shipping... Phone him!
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270456.page#1197080

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While it is always somewhat suspicious when communications drop, it has still only been one week. While I understand the concern you would have, I would also urge some amount of patience. As Lunahound suggests, don't be so quick to assume you have been scammed. Things DO come up on occasion which, while unfortunate, do interrupt communications sometimes. I'm not making any claim in either direction with regard to what the reality of the situation is, but merely urging a bit of patience.

Quick look-up of his posting history shows that he posts infrequently. Are you Messaging him through Dakka's PMs or do you have access to an alternate email account?

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Combat Jumping Tiger Soldier





WA state USA

I hear what you are saying Luna, it just feels shady when communication stops. It just raised a flag with me is all, and well, this is the result. Like I also posted, I started small here to test the waters. And I am not claiming "scam" yet. I am just asking for some communication as to why did not respond and when is he going to uphold his end. So far he has been lax on upholding what he said he would do. I am sure we have all seen where lack of communication can make things appear worse than they are. I hope that is what this is, just a lack of communication.

As for the time part, we live in the same state, I drive over to his city 2 - 3 times a year to visit family, and am going to PAX this year as well. The 2 days it would take him to ship is fine by me as long as it gets shipped before next week. If he had been honest with me and said it would be a week or so before he shipped, I would have ebay'd it and bought the minis I wanted. I was looking to play them in a tournament on the 18th. I need time to assemble / paint.

I realize none of that is his concern, it does not affect him in the slightest. I feel if someone is to say they will do something, it lends credibility to them to do what they say. In the recent trade you have done where you got the short end, you did everything you said you would, and it reflects fair on you. The other end came up short, and well, it reflects on them as well.

Thanks for your input however. My ramblings have continued for 2x paragraphs now. My main point is "communication" could have easily made this clear, and honesty from the start would also have helped in my decision to do this trade.

Ikasarete Iru
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Just keep on messaging.

Everytime I trade i ensure I get an alternative contact i.e. email or phone number.

I'd say give it a few more before you start getting worried, but it is weird that he messaged you daily, yet disappeared =/.

Keep us updated!

BTW where in WA you from?


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Not to throw Kavion under the bus here, but i think my experiences -both with him and with trading- can be helpful.

THIS IS A GENERAL COMMENT MEANT TO ENHANCE THE THREAD AND NOT AN ACCUSATION OF ANY SORT.

Trading over the years, I've seen a LOT of things. One tactic often used by scammers is to make deals with as many people as possible, regardless of who ends up shipping first. On the trades where THEY are supposed to ship first, they will make claims of having done so, or delays, etc., in hopes that they can get you to go ahead and ship your side, just to get it out of the way.
This tactic works on inexperienced and/or unsuspecting traders. I've seen it happen.

That being said, at the end of 2009/beginning of 2010, Kavion and I made an agreement for a trade. He was going to ship first. On 1/5, he said he was going out of town and would ship when he returned (in 4 days).
On a couple different occasions I PMed him about ti, checking in. Looking back not, it appears he was just ignoring my PM's, as he WAS dealing with other people.

I ended up sending him a PM, letting him know the trade was off due to lack of communication.

Wouldn't it be best for all the traders here to allow this thread to stay, and not call it premature, just in case?

If it turns out that Kavion's not doing anything suspicious ON PURPOSE, and sends the models, a MOD could always remove the thread. Right?

Better safe than sorry and all that...

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Yep , 2nd what MM said.

If a scammer want to scam on a large scale , they'll do it as much as they can , to as many people as they can AT THE SAME TIME.

They know they'll get caught , they know people will be alert , so w/e they want to scam they have a window / time frame to get it before people notice it.

This happend to me December 2008 , where someone sent me $900 in paypal , taken my item , and report the fund as someone hacked his account and reversed ALL the money back to him.


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Um, nothing was ever said or even implied that this thread would go away. The only thing recommended was some amount of wary patience.

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Combat Jumping Tiger Soldier





WA state USA

Thank you everyone, I am mostly just a little put off by the lack of communication.

When I look at it from the outside, 1 week is not that far.

Your input is valued as experienced traders. I will refrain from posting again until I hear from Kavion or my stuff arrives. Maybe it will be a learning point for both of us.

Ikasarete Iru
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If it fails, hit me me up my fellow Washingtonian.

I'll help you with the recontact process, if it has to go that route ;P.

Overall - keep us updated. The more informed the trading community is - the better.


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Combat Jumping Tiger Soldier





WA state USA

First off I would like to apologize to Kavion for starting this early. I still have not recieved any messages from him. And as a few people pointed out 1 week is a bit short to get excited. I have received my items 95% of what I was told the condition they would be in. I have learned something from this, and am walking away looking a bit of an asshat! I'll take my licks as I deserve.

I do feel however the communication stopping when it did is not a good sign. I hope when you read this Kavion, you take this into consideration when trading again. Someone who sends first is taking a big step in trust. 5 minute to send a message would have put my mind at rest. I see the package had tracking on it as well, sending that information to the recipient helps.

Sites like ebay and craigslist may have gotten me a predisposition for communication when dealing with people. If anyone asks me I will say I feel you are honest in small trade with me, but need to work on your trading skills!

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Excellent stuff. Thread closed.


 
   
 
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