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trexmeyer wrote: I did a "skimmy" re-watch of Captain Marvel and I don't see how it is any worse than Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America: The First Avenger. I wouldn't put it over any of those (except maybe Thor), but it's definitely not significantly worse by any means.
She doesn't have much of an arc. Starts really powerful, ends even more powerful, doesn't have to struggle at anything, is completely invincible. It's why the other characters in the film were more interesting.
At the beginning of the film she's been conditioned to see her power as a tool belonging to and controlled by someone else. She's repeatedly required to hold back and then humbled to reinforce the notion that her power is a separate thing and without it, she is weak. Her struggle is entirely about making her own choices, which is why its so important that in the end she doesn't fall for the "fair fight" conditioning when something is actually on the line. At the beginning of the film she's essentially powerless, but makes the Kree very powerful. Breaking that conditioning is what the movie is all about.
I'm not sure we watched the same movie. In the beginning she's smug, has superpowers beyond compare and won't let anyone tell her what to do. In the end she's smug, has superpowers beyond compare and won't let anyone tell her what to do.
Her progression in the movie is about becoming more efficient at being an egotistic ass.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Easy E wrote: The Ghostbusters are part of the MCU now! I think I missed something......
Fact: The REAL Ghostbusters cartoon show was a good cartoon.
Well the UK publisher of the Real Ghostbusters comics was Marvel
Probably being written by J. Michael Straczynski and Michael Reaves, and story-edited by J. Michael Straczynski was a factor in it being good
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Easy E wrote: The Ghostbusters are part of the MCU now! I think I missed something......
"Who you gonna call?"
"He-Man! He-Man! He-Man"
The cross-over I never knew I needed, but the one I deserve.
Not sure that doesn't exist, somewhere. Some of the cast of Him-Guy canonically did come from or visit Earth.
And it certainly wouldn't be as weird as the Star Trek/X-men crossovers. Or the Conan/Spiderman/assorted X-titles crossover (though that last one is kind of a cheat).
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LunarSol wrote: They're going to cross the streams to vaporize Orko.
Well, yes. He was the one stuck on Earth pestering small children in a crashed plane about the true meaning of Christmas.
Since he basically has the same body type as Slimer (though thankfully a robe and hat), calling the Ghostbusters about it seems incredibly appropriate.
Things seem to be getting worse for Jonathan Majors/Kang.
More folk coming forward with allegations to the DA and dropped by PR/management team.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Rumor is that if they do replace Jonathan Majors that they're looking for someone like Damson Idris, but they still have some time before a decision will have to be made so they can see how it plays out for a little longer.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Honestly, I'm still hoping Kang is just a red herring for Doom, but certainly disappointing as Majors performance had me mildly interested in what they might do with the character.
LunarSol wrote: Honestly, I'm still hoping Kang is just a red herring for Doom, but certainly disappointing as Majors performance had me mildly interested in what they might do with the character.
I still think thats the case ultimately. Kang does his multiversal war. Tears apart realities. Battleworld. Gets defeated. Doom takes control. God emperor doom is the final big bad.
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I know, I know. It’s far from the 21st Century we were promised as kids.
But it is all the same.
In theory, and not having a clue about actors contracts and that? There seems to be nothing stopping a studio with Disney’s size of pockets from reshooting existing scenes with the replacement, or just digitally inserting the new actor and their dialogue.
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Didn’t enjoy it as much as the first but definitely more than the second.
Quill being shown as competent is a nice change for me, and I liked the fact that by the end of the film everything hadn’t just been reset. The events of this movie and its predecessors have seen the characters change.
Plus a great corridor fight that really makes me want Drukhari Succubi to be awesome in Xth edition 40K.
A long film but not one that made me conscious of the fact until I checked the time as we left.
I enjoyed it and thought it had nice pay offs for all the characters. There are some odd bits here and there and this is definitely Adam Warlock In-Name-Only more than Adam Warlock, but overall it is worth seeing.
The soundtrack didn't have the consistency of the earlier films and seemed a bit more erratic. The acoustic version of Creep is fine but I don't think that would be the version Quill would have on his Zune. It didn't stay in the 90s and jumped time periods a bit more than the others; the first film was the 70s, the next was the 80s, and this was supposed to be the 90s. It had some 90s songs but it didn't feel like a 90s soundtrack. Continuation in spoiler.
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it was a bit awkward that they were part of entire planet of people being completely wiped out and destroyed but it is just, essentially, background noise.
In the post credit sequence Rocket is shown switching the playlist from 1990 to 2000 signifying the next chapter in the story.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
This is one of those times where they introduce a thing from the comics and manage to both put in a lot or all of the stuff from the comics (even when it's dumb) without it BEING dumb or adapting it to make it better.
The movie was funny, emotional, dark at points, cathartic at others. Great. Watch it.
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Adam Warlock
This is a character who got a TON of his comic history crammed into the movie in like 12 minutes of screen time and like 3 conversations. They also fudged his personality Tony Stark style in that they gave him one. For those unfamiliar, Ayesha (Her) and Adam (Him) were created to be perfect beings and a perfect pair in the comics. Ayesha is nuts and power mad and Adam eventually turns on her and becomes a good guy. He's pretty flat and stoic in the comics and mostly flys around with grandoise statements of doom and ill portent and such.
Here, the Sovereign (The Gold People from GotG 2) are an iteration of The High Evolutionary making "Perfect people and a perfect society." Which changes WHO made Him and Her but not WHY so it's a nice little translation to the MCU version. The High Evolutionary woke up Adam early so he is childlike (not in that he is a big baby, but in that he has little context for things and doesn't get some nuance of situations). He is following orders because his purpose is to follow orders. He understand he has purpose, and wants to fulfill it but he has a nativity about him. He doesn't think in terms of doing right or wrong at first. Simply fulfilling purpose. And by the end of the movie his position on the new iteration of the GotG gives the character a place to learn and grow and become the Adam he eventually becomes in the comics (but again, with actual personality this time).
High Evolutionary and related materials
Amazing that they managed to put him in with all his arrogance and monstrous behavior and make him both really compelling as a massive powerful threat villain AND never compare him to Thanos in the film. Even though they kind of have the same goals but different methods. Making a better universe.
Counter Earth. Insane that it is in the movie.
The Ani-Men. Insane that they are in the movie.
The Evolutionary Guard. Not named as such, Insane that they are in the movie.
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I really just all around loved this movie. It absolutely captures what makes this specific group of characters shine and is pretty easily one of the best films in the MCU. Certainly in the very top echelon of sequels.
As a big fan of the Dan Abnett run, I also got to totally geek out seeing almost everything I loved brought to the screen in one form or another:
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Phyla! Phyla makes it to the MCU! I also greatly appreciate that there's a route to Moondragon.
Himbo Warlock is definitely a change, but not one without merit or even comic backing. Warlock's personality is often wildly changed when he cocoons and they definitely set him up to grow into something more later on.
Significant Cosmo time! My only gripe here is the nature of the plot doesn't give us a chance to show her irrational reaction to Rocket.
New Gamora is a great opportunity to fix one of the big faults of the original movie. Giving her more than the love interest personality is great and they did a great job rebuilding her into a more fleshed out character.
As for the villain and meat of the plot
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So much stuff you'd never expect to see in a film, but Rocket being such a success has definitely made possible. Lylla and Wal Rus are great takes with Floor (Blackjack?) definitely hammering home the cruelty of the situation.
Its so odd how well Chukwudi Iwuji manages to let you forget that he's playing an irredeemable psychopath. So many times you reach the point where you think he's been appeased enough to be semi rational before he suddenly shifts to a new level of cruelty. One of the MCU's top villains by a long shot.
Given how much I hated Guardians 2, I went into vol 3 with pretty low expectations and still ended up hating it. I liked it more than 2, but... doubtful I will ever watch it again.
Gonna try to keep this spoiler free. I really could not stand the actor playing the high evolutionary. He and William Shatner should enter an over acting competition, I seriously have no idea who would win. The guy just alternated shouting and whispering his lines. I found him to be one of the worst villains they've done in a while.
Tonally speaking, I think James Gunn went a little too James Gunn here. The number of times someone put in or took out ear buds to cue a change in the music was exhausting. It happens so much I actually found it distracting.
It also bugged me that the Guardians seem to have somehow pressurized an entire region of space. There are several moments where an explosive decompression is warranted but doesn't happen because Gunn doesn't want it to.
Spoiler thoughts
Spoiler:
The whole Alter Earth thing felt so incredibly unnecessary. It feels like it's there to show the audience what a monster the villain is when he blows up all of the adorable animal people, but we already know he's a monster from Rockets flashbacks so that whole tangent is a total waste of time.
All of the feel good happy celebrating at the end was seriously cringe. Felt like I was watching the end of a rom com. Peter reuniting with his granddad was also hysterical. I love how the woman who answers the door just lets him right in. No 'who are you?' or 'why do you want to see him?' like a normal person would ask, we just go straight to 'oh yes he's right inside come let me show you.' And then his grandfather who hasn't seen him in like 30 years instantly recognizes the guy? It's atrocious.
Adam Warlock felt like such an afterthought in the movie. You could have lifted him right out and lost nothing. Every time he appears I was surprised because I totally forgot about him.
There were a few things I did like. Rockets flashbacks were great, and I really liked that Gamora and Peter didn't end up back together, and... Er, I think that honestly might be it.
I'd just assumed Peter had called ahead to find out if the grandfather was still alive and there, and thus at least the woman opening the door was expecting him
creeping-deth87 wrote: Tonally speaking, I think James Gunn went a little too James Gunn here. The number of times someone put in or took out ear buds to cue a change in the music was exhausting. It happens so much I actually found it distracting.
I don't think I even noticed that, though it does kind of fit the way the music is dealt with. I could see how it could get a bit cheesy.
It also bugged me that the Guardians seem to have somehow pressurized an entire region of space. There are several moments where an explosive decompression is warranted but doesn't happen because Gunn doesn't want it to.
That's the only bit that really stood out at me as breaking the immersion. I can't see how they'd have done it differently though, but I guess they could have at least had some kind of giant atmosphere bubble.
The oddity with the pressurization is really when the monsters are smashing the cockpit on Rocket's ship. I think what REALLY draws attention to it is how many other places in the movie they're careful about it.
Worth noting though, the answer to a lot of the scenarios is that the larger entities (Knowhere, High Evolutionary's ship, etc) have an energy shield that maintains atmosphere the same as the wrapping seen in Yondu's death in Vol 2. Swapping it between being completely impermeable (yellow) and allowing solid matter to pass through (blue) is established many times throughout the film, though the visibility of the field itself isn't always consistent. It's USUALLY only visible when something is in contact with it, but there's more than a few instances where it remains visible for the scene and a few others where it doesn't show up when people pass through.
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LunarSol wrote: The oddity with the pressurization is really when the monsters are smashing the cockpit on Rocket's ship. I think what REALLY draws attention to it is how many other places in the movie they're careful about it.
Worth noting though, the answer to a lot of the scenarios is that the larger entities (Knowhere, High Evolutionary's ship, etc) have an energy shield that maintains atmosphere the same as the wrapping seen in Yondu's death in Vol 2. Swapping it between being completely impermeable (yellow) and allowing solid matter to pass through (blue) is established many times throughout the film, though the visibility of the field itself isn't always consistent. It's USUALLY only visible when something is in contact with it, but there's more than a few instances where it remains visible for the scene and a few others where it doesn't show up when people pass through.
Yeah, it's been pretty consistent in all the Marvel space stuff that a ship, unless destroyed or suffering catastrophic damage has some kind of shielding that maintains a pressure seal/atmosphere. Even in guardians 1, the city of Knowhere has huge openings exposing it to space (eye sockets, mouth, base of the jaw down the spine) but people can walk around completely fine. They can get in those mining pods and fly right out into open space even though they "are not meant to be out here." without sucking every person in the city out from explosive decompression.
About the music. I did notice that there was a LOT of somebody hits play on a thing and a song starts. It even happened sometime for a very brief, almost pointless, walk. It definitely occurred more in this one than any other past entry and it was a little gratuitous/distracting. Not so much that it took points off the movie for me. But enough that about 2/3rds 3/4s of the way through the movie when it happened again I had the thought of "okay, cool. press the button. Lets go."
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
About the music. I did notice that there was a LOT of somebody hits play on a thing and a song starts. It even happened sometime for a very brief, almost pointless, walk. It definitely occurred more in this one than any other past entry and it was a little gratuitous/distracting. Not so much that it took points off the movie for me. But enough that about 2/3rds 3/4s of the way through the movie when it happened again I had the thought of "okay, cool. press the button. Lets go."
This really felt like the recent videogame more than prior films. On a similar note, the one cut that really stood out to me was the lack of a transition after the hallway fight. It's a wonderful sequence for sure but after its done everything kind of jumps into the next scene without a smooth bridge. Clearly one of those CGI heavy moments that was planned and built pretty early on without needing a lot of context, but just stood out to me, particularly given how they transitioned into the scene.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
LunarSol wrote: This really felt like the recent videogame more than prior films.
I think that is a pretty good description. It certainly has the feel of cutscene > gameplay > cutscene. The emotional connection to the characters is the draw of the film and that is strong enough to still recommend it if you liked the previous films. Still weird that we're assumed to be so desensitized to large scale destruction that seeing a planet of families and friends wiped out would just be, at best, a footnote.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
LunarSol wrote: This really felt like the recent videogame more than prior films.
I think that is a pretty good description. It certainly has the feel of cutscene > gameplay > cutscene. The emotional connection to the characters is the draw of the film and that is strong enough to still recommend it if you liked the previous films. Still weird that we're assumed to be so desensitized to large scale destruction that seeing a planet of families and friends wiped out would just be, at best, a footnote.
IDK, I thought overall the destruction of counter-earth was pretty effective. It's certainly better than most disaster movies and we actually had someone to connect to prior. It might have been nice for the Guardians to try and fail to stop it, but honestly its done so flippantly that it mostly just makes it clear, if you are not persuaded by all the animal cruelty up to this point already, that the High Evolutionary is not someone that can be reasoned with or dealt with in a rational manner.
The villain flippantly destroying the planet is one thing the filmmakers doing it is another. I understand its use as a narrative tool but was still to much of a "blink and you'll miss it" for such a catastrophic event. It doesn't derail the movie enough to not recommend seeing but it is a mark against it. All they needed was just a moment extra after all the fighting on the ship if they had just looked over and shown the debris then it would have at least felt like there were consequences. Instead it is blowing up as they leave, they fight on the ships, then they move move to the ending.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I felt like we got quite a bit as they were escaping. There were a lot of good ground level shots of the destruction as they escaped including the homes we saw earlier. I'm not sure what more there is to show really. Certainly better treatment than most planets get when they're destroyed. (ie Xandar, Krypton, Alderaan, probably anything Galactus eats)
