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Would it kill you to actually copy the FAQ answer here rather than sending people to go feth?
From IA index xenos faq:
Q: Can I use the weapon profiles for things like lasblasters and
D-cannons from Codex: Craftworlds, or do I have to use the
ones printed in Imperial Armour – Index: Xenos?
A: You can use the profiles from Codex: Craftworlds.
can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now.
BoomWolf wrote: Would it kill you to actually copy the FAQ answer here rather than sending people to go feth?
From IA index xenos faq:
Q: Can I use the weapon profiles for things like lasblasters and
D-cannons from Codex: Craftworlds, or do I have to use the
ones printed in Imperial Armour – Index: Xenos?
A: You can use the profiles from Codex: Craftworlds.
Ive been on mobile all weekend so it’s harder to format a quote like that.
And we pay codex points costs, per the index-codex FAQ.
After playing with the idea for a while, I don't think they really fit that well into most lists. You'd have to have a list with a lot of other heavy options, storm surge, riptide, etc. for target saturation. Then you're really limited in what else you can bring. They're pretty durable, and hard counter a lot of the current meta, but with knights being so popular I imagine heavy AT is going to be super commonplace in the meta very shortly.
All that being considered, I have no doubt a list built around two of them could do very, very well. Maybe Dal'yth for 2+ to avoid being alphaed, but more likely T'au for +1 to wound strat.
After playing with the idea for a while, I don't think they really fit that well into most lists. You'd have to have a list with a lot of other heavy options, storm surge, riptide, etc. for target saturation. Then you're really limited in what else you can bring. They're pretty durable, and hard counter a lot of the current meta, but with knights being so popular I imagine heavy AT is going to be super commonplace in the meta very shortly.
All that being considered, I have no doubt a list built around two of them could do very, very well. Maybe Dal'yth for 2+ to avoid being alphaed, but more likely T'au for +1 to wound strat.
No way, they are not a target you can't afford to have shot, they are incredibly tough and have hard to hit and a wound profile doesn't have much effect either. Just hit hard right next to them with Stealth Suits. Make the Tiger's Farsight and have them launching Seekers along with the rest of their Arsenal at 2+ rerollable and rerolls to wounds. This is what I think is best for them, and it turns out Anthony Bellm does the same, Stealth Suits and multiple Farsight Tigers, and last I checked he was the #1 Tau player in ITC from playing like that. Might still be even, I dunno.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
After playing with the idea for a while, I don't think they really fit that well into most lists. You'd have to have a list with a lot of other heavy options, storm surge, riptide, etc. for target saturation. Then you're really limited in what else you can bring. They're pretty durable, and hard counter a lot of the current meta, but with knights being so popular I imagine heavy AT is going to be super commonplace in the meta very shortly.
All that being considered, I have no doubt a list built around two of them could do very, very well. Maybe Dal'yth for 2+ to avoid being alphaed, but more likely T'au for +1 to wound strat.
No way, they are not a target you can't afford to have shot, they are incredibly tough and have hard to hit and a wound profile doesn't have much effect either. Just hit hard right next to them with Stealth Suits. Make the Tiger's Farsight and have them launching Seekers along with the rest of their Arsenal at 2+ rerollable and rerolls to wounds. This is what I think is best for them, and it turns out Anthony Bellm does the same, Stealth Suits and multiple Farsight Tigers, and last I checked he was the #1 Tau player in ITC from playing like that. Might still be even, I dunno.
After playing with the idea for a while, I don't think they really fit that well into most lists. You'd have to have a list with a lot of other heavy options, storm surge, riptide, etc. for target saturation. Then you're really limited in what else you can bring. They're pretty durable, and hard counter a lot of the current meta, but with knights being so popular I imagine heavy AT is going to be super commonplace in the meta very shortly.
All that being considered, I have no doubt a list built around two of them could do very, very well. Maybe Dal'yth for 2+ to avoid being alphaed, but more likely T'au for +1 to wound strat.
No way, they are not a target you can't afford to have shot, they are incredibly tough and have hard to hit and a wound profile doesn't have much effect either. Just hit hard right next to them with Stealth Suits. Make the Tiger's Farsight and have them launching Seekers along with the rest of their Arsenal at 2+ rerollable and rerolls to wounds. This is what I think is best for them, and it turns out Anthony Bellm does the same, Stealth Suits and multiple Farsight Tigers, and last I checked he was the #1 Tau player in ITC from playing like that. Might still be even, I dunno.
Do you happen to have more specific list?
Exactly what he’s running, i dunno, but I’ve mailed him now. What I think looks good is
Farsight Bat:
1x FusionStar 1x Cadre Fireblade
3x min size Firewarrior 3x max size Stealth Suits
2x Tigershark with Seekers
Sacea Bat:
1x Fusion Star Ethereal
3x min size Firewarrior 3x Firesight
You can juggle and adjust The markers and the seekers or stealth whatever else to fit in a Y'vahra or something if you want to support he suits with it
I’ll check back in if I get a response from Anthony
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
Oh wow, for some reason I thought they were BS3, BS2 is considerably better.
Even still, I think with knights becoming popular, that list is going to lose effectiveness as the meta returns to heavy AT. They're slightly more durable than an IK, and people are going to be building to remove at least 1 IK a turn.
I'm surprised that is the top Tau player's regular list, TBH. I don't deny it's a strong list, and a good foil for the current meta, but part of me wonders if there's a limited number of Tau players currently scoring for ITC.
Traceoftoxin wrote: Oh wow, for some reason I thought they were BS3, BS2 is considerably better.
Even still, I think with knights becoming popular, that list is going to lose effectiveness as the meta returns to heavy AT. They're slightly more durable than an IK, and people are going to be building to remove at least 1 IK a turn.
I'm surprised that is the top Tau player's regular list, TBH. I don't deny it's a strong list, and a good foil for the current meta, but part of me wonders if there's a limited number of Tau players currently scoring for ITC.
To be clear, that's not his list. I'm not sure exactly what he's been running, but I'll be sure to check in if he responds to my mail. And he's not doing well because its just meta foil, he's doing well because he's taking imo one of the most powerful combination of units available to Tau. He's SETTING meta. You are right that not as many Tau players are scoring - but not because they aren't competing, they just aren't getting the results he's getting, and I don't think it's coincidence that he's the one doing this. He's not just the highest ranked Tau player, he's #13 ranked globally, and thats purely with Tau.
47 HBC hits each between two Tigersharks, every turn, and easy Farsight re-roll application if wanted, is no joke. Those HBC firepower numbers are what you are getting from SIX RIPTIDES, for the price of THREE. And that's just the first weapon. 4x Burst Cannon, 4x Missile pod, 4x Skyspear. And on average they will hit all 12 Seeker missiles turn 1 as well with just 2 markers on their target. They hit like a goddamn landslide.
As you said they are MORE durable than a Knight, so lists building to kill a Knight might even miss the mark. Not to mention you have what a Knight doesn't, which is 75" movespeed. Deploy in the very back corner, very few lists are sinking the Tigersharks before you rain hellfire across the field with it. Between Coldstars, Stealth Suits and Tiggers you are clearing a whole lot of damage off the field very quickly. I'm not even sure the Tigershark is the right target to prioritise, and you have 1200 pts of high damage Infantry here, meaning heavy AT lists might be hamstringing themselves. Especially if any of those Knight counters are in CC, which I know is the plan for a lot of armies, Skari for example said he's taking Talos to deal with Knights, thumbs down for that plan here.
Discount it or chalk it up as "playing the meta" all you want, but it's not, and I am certain Tiggers are going nowhere.
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SHUPPET wrote: Discount it or chalk it up as "playing the meta" all you want, but it's not, and I am certain Tiggers are going nowhere.
Until they get the nerfbat once players start pissing and moaning about them enough.
They are stupidly good for their points cost. Even the vaunted Fire Raptor is jealous. I've got two Tau playing acquaintances who use them, one of whom nearly won a GT this past weekend with his Tau list (rocking one or two Tigersharks).
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SHUPPET wrote: Discount it or chalk it up as "playing the meta" all you want, but it's not, and I am certain Tiggers are going nowhere.
Until they get the nerfbat once players start pissing and moaning about them enough.
They are stupidly good for their points cost. Even the vaunted Fire Raptor is jealous. I've got two Tau playing acquaintances who use them, one of whom nearly won a GT this past weekend with his Tau list (rocking one or two Tigersharks).
HAha, thankfully nobody can outwhine the Tau. Let's be real, the instant people start complaining about it, a mass of Tau players who don't even use the model will talk about how desperately the army "needs" Tigershark to be this tough, just for Tau to be able to compete.
Anyway, here's Anthony's list. Outright stated that he most likely won't be changing gak for the new meta, only thing that may cause him to rework it is Chapter Approved buffs or nerfs.
Very similar, almost identical, to how I was doing it. Mine (compared to his) trades out a single Coldstar and the Kroot Hounds, so that I can take double as many Stealth Suits and more Fire Warriors, and 3 more CP. His may be better, I dunno I originally had Kroot Hounds in my list, but I like the thicker Stealth Suit units for multiple reasons. But Anthony has more experience and better credentials than me with Tau, so he no doubt knows what sacrifices he can safely make in cutting the CP and the additional Suits. Though at this point it's probably down to personal taste a little too.
Regardless, this is Tau's most competitive showing right now, and I think if more people were playing like this we'd see a lot more results. A lot of sleep on Tigersharks. Anyway, hope I've done a bit more to support my statements so you guys know I'm not just throwing out outlandish statements. I also have a small history of being right about this sort of thing I'll let you guys know if I hear anymore from Anthony though.
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I may as well post Eric Tadt's list while we're at it. 7th place at the Dallas Open, same record as Anthony. He had two Riptides and a Y'vahra, and notably took a bunch of Kroot.
Zond wrote: As someone who only dabbles in 40k by reading mostly, why Farsight Enclaves for the Tigersharks in Anthony's list?
Due to their ability to easily move within 6" of any unit on the board, giving him an even bigger alpha strike which is important for the models, even more so since he has 12x Seekers likely firing at BS 2+ on turn 1. Also, Farsight benefits our Coldstars and Stealth Suits. It feels like the best Sept for them.
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Really enjoyed the list. Not convinced on coldstars, always find them too suicidal for me and I like the reliability of the ion blasters.
I've plugged this into Battlescribe, and you've got me wondering what you're putting on your riptides and hammerheads as secondary systems.
Are your CIB Commanders 3x CIB+ATS or Quads or a combo?
I tried something similar in the past but took broadsides instead of hammerheads. I like this better!
Tau Sept?
Why the lone Marksman?
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Spectre_UK wrote: With no XV89 in the new codex, is there an official line on what it counts as?
They are Forgeworld so would be in Imperial Armour index Xenos if it's still supported, but given their age were they not based off the older XV8 and hence have probably been retired. You could counts as it as an iridium suit.
Ice_can wrote: They are Forgeworld so would be in Imperial Armour index Xenos if it's still supported, but given their age were they not based off the older XV8 and hence have probably been retired. You could counts as it as an iridium suit.
Apologies, yes, that's what I meant. They're not in IA Index Xenos so appear to have been deleted, which is odd as forgeworld are still selling them...
It used to be something like iridium in 5th, during 6th it became obsolete in rules and remained as just an alternative cool model.
Now I'm guessing its not even that cool alternative, given the newer sculpt crisis has iridium built-in and are poseable (unlike the old crisis who were not posable)
can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now.
So how decent are hammerheads? have they gone by the wayside now that more people are taking tigersharks.
I know there will be a lot of people taking a raven castellan. what do we have to help protect the tigershark if not going first against it? only thing i have found was infiltrating shadowsun and giving it a -1 to hit but its kind of a suicide run for her.
can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
~15000 Astra Militarum: 
~1200 | Adeptus Custodes: 
~1900 | Imperial Knights: 
~2000 | Sisters of Battle: 
~3500 | Leagues of Votann: 
~1200 | Tyranids: 
~2600 | Stormcast Eternals: 
I'll let you guys know if I hear anymore from Anthony though.
