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Blood Angels Maximum Overdrive II 1850
HQ
Librarian
- Shield of Sanguinous
- Blood Lance

Troops
5 Marine Assault Squad
- Melta Gun
- Razorback with Las Cannon + TL Plasma Gun, Search light.

5 Marine Assault Squad
- Melta Gun
- Razorback with Las Cannon + TL Plasma Gun, Search light.

5 Marine Assault Squad
- Melta Gun
- Razorback with Las Cannon + TL Plasma Gun, Search light.

5 Marine Assault Squad
- Melta Gun
- Razorback with Las Cannon + TL Plasma Gun, Search light.

5 Marine Assault Squad
- Melta Gun
- Razorback with Las Cannon + TL Plasma Gun, Search light.

5 Marine Assault Squad
- Melta Gun
- Razorback with Las Cannon + TL Plasma Gun, Search light.

Fast Attack
Baal Predator
- TL Assault Cannon
- Search Light

Baal Predator
- TL Assault Cannon
- Search Light

Baal Predator
- TL Assault Cannon
- Search Light

Heavy Support
Predator
- Las Cannon Sponsons

Predator
- Las Cannon Sponsons

Predator
- Las Cannon Sponsons

12 Las Cannons
6 TL Plasma Guns
6 melta Guns
3 Assault Cannons
3 Auto Cannons

6 AV 11/11/10 6 AV13/11/10
12 Vehicles


This is the Blood Angels analog of the Space Wolves Maximum Overdrive Razorback spam list which I been playing for some time and like. This looks even better with the major difference being all your vehicles are fast so they can move 6 and fire everything or move 12 and fire 1 weapon. This only has 12 vehicles compared to the Space Wolf lists 14 but 6 of them are AV13 and there are no AV10 speeders.

The lack of missle launchers may be an issue against hordes but the old castle in a corner concentrate fire trick worked well with the Space Wolf version or Mech Guard.

Other possible issue is with Baal Pedators you have to get in 24 range to use your Assault Cannon and might fall prey to fast moving multimeltas. You can take Land Speeder Typhoons like with the Space Wolf list but that seems like a step backwards and the 75 points that saves doesn't buy me another vehicle.

Will need to get some test games in with this to see how it compares with the Space Wolf Version.

Oriignal Space Wolf Max Overdrive for Reference.
HQ
Rune Priest
- Shield
- Jaws of the Warp Wolf

Elite
3 Wolfguard
- 2 Combi Meltas
- Razorback with Las cannon and TL Plasma Gun

3 Wolfguard
- 2 Combi Meltas
- Razorback with Las cannon and TL Plasma Gun

3 Wolfguard
- 2 Combi Meltas
- Razorback with Las cannon and TL Plasma Gun

Troops
5 Grey Hunters
- Flamer
- Razorback with Las cannon and TL Plasma Gun

5 Grey Hunters
- Flamer
- Razorback with Las cannon and TL Plasma Gun

5 Grey Hunters
- Flamer
- Razorback with Las cannon and TL Plasma Gun

5 Grey Hunters
- Flamer
- Razorback with Las cannon and TL Plasma Gun

5 Grey Hunters
- Flamer
- Razorback with Las cannon and TL Plasma Gun

Fast Attack
Land Speeder
- Typhoon Missle Launcher
- Heavy Bolter


Land Speeder
- Typhoon Missle Launcher
- Heavy Bolter


Land Speeder
- Typhoon Missle Launcher
- Heavy Bolter

Heavy
3 Long Fangs
- 2 Missle Launchers
- Rhino

3 Long Fangs
- 2 Missle Launchers
- Rhino

3 Long Fangs
- 2 Missle Launchers
- Rhino

8 las cannons
8 tl plasma guns
6 melta guns
5 flamers
12 missle launchers

11 AV 11/11/10 3 AV10/10/10

If only I actually wanted a parking lot of rhino chassis...

I would not even worry about the melta guns on your assalt marines with that many lascannons around. I would swap them all for flamers.

Is there any plasma guns in the kit?

Err, what? If you're arming your Predators w/ TL Las as you state in your summary, you're looking at running closer to 2000 points rather than 1850. But as I look closer at your summary, I realize that you're thinking that lascannon sponsons are TL. For better or worse, they're not, so you've got 18 Lascannons rather than 12.

Personally, I think the lascannon sponsons are overkill. I think you'd be better off saving the points, though, in all truth, I'm not sure what I'd spend the extra points on. If you strip down the Assault Marine squads, you've got enough to get an honor guard with another Razorback, but not enough to upgrade it to Las/TL Plas. Maybe spend the points on another Libby so you can get another shield going. I don't know. I'm not necessarily convinced about the Baal Predator, though - I think the short range will be more trouble than its worth.

ICB approves for obvious reasons


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I believe you missed a Seachlight on one pred, though.

Melta Guns are needed to kill Land Raiders.

Not sure about if new Razorbacks have Plasma guns in the kits. Mine are all old 3rd edition ones with the Las Cannon/ Twin Linked Plasma Turret.

List comes out to 1849. Left out the exact points costs since codex isn't officially out.

My bad, was thinking land raiders for a second with the tl las sponsons, corrected it.

Las Cannon sponsons are expensive but good because can move 6 and fire everything and Predator has av13 front.

Sternguard don't seem worth it they do not get the discount for vehicles and are expensive. Elite slots would probably be filled with Furiso Dreadnoughts or Librarian dreadnoughts if points allowed.

Short range of Baal Predator was noted that they are vulnerable to fast moving meltas being within 24 inchest. Since they can move 12 and still fire range itself is not an issue.

Avariel wrote:Melta Guns are needed to kill Land Raiders.

Not sure about if new Razorbacks have Plasma guns in the kits. Mine are all old 3rd edition ones with the Las Cannon/ Twin Linked Plasma Turret.

List comes out to 1849. Left out the exact points costs since codex isn't officially out.

My bad, was thinking land raiders for a second with the tl las sponsons, corrected it.

Las Cannon sponsons are expensive but good because can move 6 and fire everything and Predator has av13 front.

Sternguard don't seem worth it they do not get the discount for vehicles and are expensive. Elite slots would probably be filled with Furiso Dreadnoughts or Librarian dreadnoughts if points allowed.

Short range of Baal Predator was noted that they are vulnerable to fast moving meltas being within 24 inchest. Since they can move 12 and still fire range itself is not an issue.

Heck man if you can't pop a landraider with that many laz cannons going down range. I would pack up your bags and go home.

I'm just curious do you ever have people not play you when you show up with this force? I mean its very very nasty. so much I could see it in a tournament but a freindly game. I wonder.

As I pointed out in another thread...lists like these have MAJOR weaknesses, and BA have sooo many better choices.

Honestly, my mech guard of Russes, Vends, and Chimeras would laugh at this list. I can easily pop 6 Rhino chasis a turn...that leaves 5 man footslogging units and 6 preds to win the game....not good.

Kan wall Orks would also laugh at this with their 2 KFF and all their rokkits and lootas...same thing..lose your rhinos in one turn, and have 6 preds and small units left to fight off all the oks and walkers...not good.

Hordes backed up by just a moderate amount of AT will destroy this list, because you have no anti-horde... they only have kill 3 Baal Preds and you are hosed...MAJOR meakness.

These are just 3 bad matchups, and there are many others...and with the release of th new Kans, the new Nid dex and popularity of IG, these are 3 lists you will probably see often. Also, if your opponent brings ranged outflankers or fast dedicated CC units, your preds die as fast as your Rhinos.

Then lets look at the KP issue....6 Rhino chasis + 6 min squads = 12 easy KPs....


My advice is to start over and build to the real strenghts of the BA codex.....which isn't lascannon spam...you are basically trying to play a mech vets list, w/o the benefit of AV14, outflanking vendettas, orders, or ordnance. If you want to spam lascannons, play IG....

Illegal list with the new codex I'm afriad, blood angels count anything based on the Rhino Chasis (Pred, Razorback, Whirlwind ect) as a fast vehicle. Also flamestorm cannon as a free upgrade on the Baals, which now have scout . So get first turn, scout 12, take your turn move another twelve, so thats 24 inches towards you enemy and then use str 6 ap 3 flamer, ouch. Also if horde is your issue the new upgrade to the furioso is a str 6 power weapon pair called blood talons. First off, they allow you to reroll wnds, secondly, any successful wound you deal gives you another attack, this seems to be perpetual, meaning that if you keep hitting and killing infantry, you can go through them very fast. To be honest with what I have seen and the little time i spent reading the pre release codex in GW store, go meltas, jump troops, dreads, and flamers. Blood Angels may become the anti mech army for a little while. It looks to me like you need the new codex in 2 days.

doubled, what are you going on about? While the Rhino Chassis vehicles are, indeed, Fast, they're not Fast Attack choices. His list is perfectly legal under the new dex.

Whether or not it really takes advantage of the new dex is another matter. I've said it in other posts, if you're playing mech BA, you're not taking full advantage of what the list offers.

doubled wrote:Illegal list with the new codex I'm afriad, blood angels count anything based on the Rhino Chasis (Pred, Razorback, Whirlwind ect) as a fast vehicle. Also flamestorm cannon as a free upgrade on the Baals, which now have scout . So get first turn, scout 12, take your turn move another twelve, so thats 24 inches towards you enemy and then use str 6 ap 3 flamer, ouch. Also if horde is your issue the new upgrade to the furioso is a str 6 power weapon pair called blood talons. First off, they allow you to reroll wnds, secondly, any successful wound you deal gives you another attack, this seems to be perpetual, meaning that if you keep hitting and killing infantry, you can go through them very fast. To be honest with what I have seen and the little time i spent reading the pre release codex in GW store, go meltas, jump troops, dreads, and flamers. Blood Angels may become the anti mech army for a little while. It looks to me like you need the new codex in 2 days.

Nice try. I have the codex, so let me assure you that the lists I'm making are aboveboard. The vehicles are the type "Fast" (see BRB pg. 70), not Fast Attack. Furioso is useless in this buld at this points level, blood talon is slowed and failtastic. Furioso in general is only good for libby dreads.

Alright so i was wrong about the chasi thing and thus apologize. My question is though, what do you mean failtastic on blood talons. Everything I can see about them makes them almost cheesy good, so what do you do if someone takes out your razorbacks early, or manages to tie up your assualt squads in combat. You seem to be lacking any power weapons in them. Also the range on a blood lance seems very iffy, 4d6 is to unpredictable for my liking.