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Btw anyone else noted that rokkits went 1S up?

 Afrodactyl wrote:
Current version of the article doesn't have support on the datasheet. Probably because they said support units must be attached, and they've explicitly said that this can also be taken solo.

I imagine it's going to be like the Invader ATV and you can take it either solo or as part of a Warbikes unit datasheet.

Either way the outcome is the same, but semantics.

Changed from this morning. Thought I was losing my mind.

I thought support units were only characters though.

I just wanted to express happiness that the Wartrakk has a Nob on the back.

Not a boy. A Nob.

Ork datasheets are out for the new Warboss and other leaders/support units:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/uwdimgen/new40k-rules-da-biggest-and-best-orks-in-da-box/

Things to note:

-Warboss Big Choppa (Now Kustom Choppa) got buffed significantly. It's now AP-2 versus AP-1. It gained Cleave AND an extra attack for a total of 6.

- Bigboss is pretty underwhelming, the main selling point is the Sustained Hits 1, which seems to imply War Horde will be changed significantly as a detachment, if not outright removed, which kind of sucks. Not great as a non-support character

- Banner Nob is basically our new KFF, giving a 5+ invuln to their whole unit. Notable that he can join ranged units and not just the typical Nob, Boy, and Breaka Boy units. Might be okay in a Flash Git unit if you want protection? Hard to say if it'll be worth it though, depends on their price point.

- Weirdboy and Painboy looks pretty similar to what they are now at first glance. Overall, seems like the Warboss is the one who got the largest notable glow up.

BigBoss getting a charge bonus is the most interesting thing there.

Big Boss looks fine. It's pretty much what I expect from a Nob+ type unit, especially when it's pretty much just armed with a Big Choppa with a few extra attacks. +1 to charge and sustained hits is nice, assuming that War Horde is going away/getting changed.

Banner Nob looks good. +1 T, a 5++ and +6 OC looks like it will be really nice on Nobz or Breaka Boys. They both already clean house in the damage department, durability and OC is where they fall a bit flat.

Weirdboy and Painboy are the same from what I can see.

Warboss is tasty. Absolute blender against basically all forms of infantry. Also gives hope that PKs are going up to AP-3 or D3.

War Horde may be changed - but not entirely following the argument that just because its a detachment option, no Ork character should ever give sustained hits. There are after all plenty of other detachments you could take.

My thoughts on the Big Boss have gone "that kind of sucks"->"maybe"->"I think you might be trying too hard".

+1 to charge has to do a lot of carrying given you could just take a Warboss whose had a bit of a glow up. Okay if the Warboss has gone up a bunch of points there's more space but if the warboss is still 75-80 points its a tough one. I'm sure people will try Big Boss+Weirdboy+Boyz blob to da Jump around but it could be nearly 300 points and hard to see it having enough impact.

Of the datasheets, only the banner and the doc have the support type.

IIRC you can have one leader, and one support attached to a squad.

As both the big boss and weirdboy are full leader, you can’t have both in the same squad.

To be fair, I had the same thought at first glance, as it sounded like fun!

 Nevelon wrote:
As both the big boss and weirdboy are full leader, you can’t have both in the same squad.

Yeah you are right. I misread the weirdboy as support like the previous two. Since its leader that's out.
(Or they've changed it a few minutes after it dropped - but probably me misreading.)

I think we'll have to see how the Nob dataslate and points cost shakes out. In particular, we need to see what they end up with in terms of base profile and base points cost, and how much it's going to cost to outfit them with Power Klaws. I don't think 21 points is going to be a great starting point for them if they are stripped of the Power Klaws and end up having to spend points on them. If their baseline cost includes a Big Choppa, people might just end up taking those. If the Power Klaw upgrade is poorly costed, it could make the unit have a lot less output as a scalpel, especially if the PK retains the same profile as it does now.

The Banner Nob ironically seems like a bad companion for Nobz, having a S4 weapon profile for some reason and the +1 T seems to be of dubious value with Da Boss's Lads post-nerf. It's only -1 to wound if the strength exceeds the unit's toughness value, meaning it would now only trigger above S7 during the Waaagh. The toughness buff scales negatively with Da Boss's Lads. It also inherently scales badly with a Warboss as it gets less value out of +1 to hit than a Painboy would. I don't know how appealing overall this unit is compared to just taking a painboy.

That said, Nobz can now take painboy and a warboss which could make them more interesting depending on points value.

Maybe it will be more interesting to see what characters end up having the leader and support keyword. For example, Big Meks, or Ghazghkull Thraka. Could we potentially see a Support joining Ghazghkull? Or will named characters be blocked? Could you potentially combine a Meganobz unit with a MA Big Mek and a MA Warboss? Will Big Meks have Leader, so they can't be combined with Bosses? These are the questions that are still open and yet could be meta defining based on keywords.