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these new squats are absolutely fantastic. necromunda always hits it out of the park

New model alert!

Is Silberlant Sevos a new character, or one who'd shown up in a book before, but is only now getting a model?

They've finally made a model for Gideon Ravenor!

Genuinely an interesting model.

 Dysartes wrote:
New model alert!

Is Silberlant Sevos a new character, or one who'd shown up in a book before, but is only now getting a model?

He is such an interesting case. His art first was used as a generic whisper merchant in the Delaque book, before eventually becoming a full Dramatis Persona in the Aranthian succession books.

They keep mentioning Delaque in these books, and I really hope this means sooner than later they will get a vehicle of their own. It makes sense to have a book focused on the Secundan Wastes to feature them prowling around.

Well many years ago Necromunda gave us Doctor Octopus:



So I guess I now have to get Alistair Smythe to go with him and hope that they release more so I can complete a full set of Spider-Man the animated series Characters.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Mallo wrote:
Well many years ago Necromunda gave us Doctor Octopus:

And more recently Doctor Arachnos -

That Delaque helmet looks awfully similar to the one worn by the Warhammer+ Inquisitor's Sidekick model...

Man that's somethin' else; fella's got an implanted VR hat that permanently blocks his eyes, but hes also got a pair of screens on his hover chair thing, which he reads using the camera in his servo skull that's wired directly into his brain.

Wow, the black and white art really borrow the more obcene side of Gigers biomechanoids, I understand why they didnt bring that to the actual model.

Speaking of the art, who stole his shirt?

Well, it's a nifty model...
But who is actually going to buy it?
He has the "Part of the Crew" so you could use him in a battle if you want, but armed with just a stub gun? Using Int for a Cl or Will test is a pretty lame special ability.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Speaking of the art, who stole his shirt?

His mom is washing it while his tendies are in the oven. Nothing interrupts his Fortnite streaming marathons!

 Fayric wrote:
Wow, the black and white art really borrow the more obcene side of Gigers biomechanoids, I understand why they didnt bring that to the actual model.

His mouth is closed, so we avoided the worst of it.

 Mallo wrote:
Well many years ago Necromunda gave us Doctor Octopus:



So I guess I now have to get Alistair Smythe to go with him and hope that they release more so I can complete a full set of Spider-Man the animated series Characters.

 Dysartes wrote:

Don't forget the Vulture!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Mallo wrote:
Well many years ago Necromunda gave us Doctor Octopus:



So I guess I now have to get Alistair Smythe to go with him and hope that they release more so I can complete a full set of Spider-Man the animated series Characters.

 Dysartes wrote:

Don't forget the Vulture!

Don't forget the hunter

 SgtEeveell wrote:
Well, it's a nifty model...
But who is actually going to buy it?
He has the "Part of the Crew" so you could use him in a battle if you want, but armed with just a stub gun? Using Int for a Cl or Will test is a pretty lame special ability.

People who want a cool techpriest. Most of the minis they release for N17 these days are either OTT for the supposed scope of the game, or not much use mechanically in it(and for all that narrative is a fine thing, they can be expensive models to buy from a person's limited hobby budget if they're just going to sit in a drawer except for their once a decade appearance on the tabletop). I don't even read the fluff anymore(too much risk of my eyes rolling right out of their sockets as they almost did with this chap - they're really quadrupling down on this STC nonsense aren't they; what's the adage about keeping a secret with more than two people, one of whom is dead? We must be up to half the planet knowing about Van Saar's by now...), their value to my own hobby is purely the options provided by their aesthetic.

So yeah this one is a definite buy, it's amazing. Will need some clothes added so the poor wee man doesn't catch a cold, but it's an amazing design. It looks like one of the really gruesome Rogue Trader artworks stepped right off the page in the best possible way.

Cool model, odd rules?

This.

Is.

NECROMUNDA

So I’ll make my own rules, and make it an NPC for a campaign

I'm somewhat surprised by that new miniatures lore. So the Delaque just know about the Van Saar STC core? Not just this one guy with special stuff, but the group as a whole know? That just seems a slightly strange bit of lore.

He was part of Van Saar?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised by that new miniatures lore. So the Delaque just know about the Van Saar STC core? Not just this one guy with special stuff, but the group as a whole know? That just seems a slightly strange bit of lore.

...where are you getting Delaque from, Mentlegen?

I thought when I read the article yesterday it said he was Delaque? seems i was wrong then

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I thought when I read the article yesterday it said he was Delaque? seems i was wrong then

The article mentioned Delaque as being masters of secrets, but then talks about this guy in comparison. I made the same mistake a5 first.

He is a Whisper Merchant, which is a discounted Hanger-on for Delaque, but Silberant himself is Van Saar. It kind of fits in with the fluff for the Psychotheric Thrall and general question of 'is there even a core House Delaque?' and apparently just turning people into 'Delaque'.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the Van Saar STC is known outside the house and knowers either don't care, don't know what to do with that, or are keeping it in their pocket.

Yeah, it’s basically impossible that the secret hasn’t leaked outside of the house. Buuut… the exact location is definitely still unknown (most people probably think it’s somewhere in hive Primus) and even so, how many people would even understand the import of that fact? Most of the ones that do know what an STC is, also know that being known to have one by the greater Imperium is Trouble. The Adeptus Mechanicus raze worlds for scraps of STC printouts; what they’d do to Necromunda for even the chance to see a complete one doesn’t bear thinking about.

Lets also not forget that these are basically street-gang-houses fighting over resources in the Underhive. There's a very good chance even IF someone spread the word, no one would believe them. It's like saying a local London Street gang has a nuclear weapon. Especially when that gang is no more nor less powerful than any one of the others around.

it's also possible that few outside of the upper van saar leadership are aware it is fully functional. as opposed to just a memory bank full of STC fragments.

and i kinda get the feeling that Van Saar might have given the mechanicus a folder full of 'STC fragments' covering most of the common gear they've been using. letting them hide in plain sight to a degree. much of their gear is fairly standard imperium technology, just somewhat better built and with their unique aesthetics and approach to use. we know that the mechanicus and administratum source Van Saar made lasguns and other weapons for the guard, which are apparently 'monkey model' export versions that lack the van saar performance boost but also don't produce the hazardous radiation.
if the mechanicus just think that the Van Saar just stumbled on a collection of STC fragments from the wreck of that old colony ship, and think they already have copies of all the tech the house owns, they might not look much closer. especially if the Van Saar are careful to not use anything too obviously outside of normal imperial tech.

The problem with "some people know" is the Mechanicus *would* hear about it(not one single solitary Explorator has made it on and off Necromunda in that time? not one single unscrupluous Cold Trader who routinely deal in tech and would know the import of what Van Saar get up to has ever thought to themselves "here, those toaster lads would pay me a pretty penny to know about this"? not a single member of the priesthood who must live and work at least *in orbit*, or who's served on a ship that called there, ever, has heard rumours they thought worth passing on?), and once that happens there's no version that isn't dominos falling towards a Martian invasion and probable civil war in the Imperium. They casually use Green Goblin hoverboards and banned-by-personal-holy-decree-of-the-Emperor rad cannons and IIRC at least the variant of las you only find in Van Saar lists at least is supposed to be a completely unique pattern, the ship has long since sailed on the notion they could keep a lid on things.

And Overread, that's not what new Necromunda is at all really. The House gangs may still be *called* gangs but in reality are basically PMCs working directly for their parent House, at least in "normal" N17 fluff and campaigns. There are repeated little stories in the books about them fighting over active industrial plants, power generators, or raiding goods handling facilities etc that could only be in the Hive proper.

In the end, it's silly fluff and it'll never stop being so because every attempt to justify it just creates even more problems.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:
The problem with "some people know" is the Mechanicus *would* hear about it(not one single solitary Explorator has made it on and off Necromunda in that time? not one single unscrupluous Cold Trader who routinely deal in tech and would know the import of what Van Saar get up to has ever thought to themselves "here, those toaster lads would pay me a pretty penny to know about this"? not a single member of the priesthood who must live and work at least *in orbit*, or who's served on a ship that called there, ever, has heard rumours they thought worth passing on?), and once that happens there's no version that isn't dominos falling towards a Martian invasion and probable civil war in the Imperium. They casually use Green Goblin hoverboards and banned-by-personal-holy-decree-of-the-Emperor rad cannons and IIRC at least the variant of las you only find in Van Saar lists at least is supposed to be a completely unique pattern, the ship has long since sailed on the notion they could keep a lid on things.

And Overread, that's not what new Necromunda is at all really. The House gangs may still be *called* gangs but in reality are basically PMCs working directly for their parent House, at least in "normal" N17 fluff and campaigns. There are repeated little stories in the books about them fighting over active industrial plants, power generators, or raiding goods handling facilities etc that could only be in the Hive proper.

In the end, it's silly fluff and it'll never stop being so because every attempt to justify it just creates even more problems.

I feel you vastly overestimate the proliferation of information in the Imperium.
We occupy an omniscient position on the fluff.
The Mechanicum, the bureaucracy of Necromunda itself, and the Houses do not.

I assume there are levels of security and secrecy, not unlike the Dark Angel circles, around the STC and its information.
They don't just let everyone in on it, because they're part of the House.
I would highly doubt they use terminology in-universe that could indicate that it is an STC.

I like the idea of hiding in plain sight.

Back in the day one of the ways DC justified Clark Kent's secret was "Yes I know Clark looks like Superman and I thought that too, but it's been disproven a dozen times already, there's no there there".

In this case "Yes meatbag we heard the rumors about Van Saar, we've been hearing them for 2.8 millennia, we have searched their every stronghold, confiscated every STC fragment and examined every weapon. There's nothing there."

I went to look back to the Van Saar book to confirm why they manage to keep it so secretive, and one detail immediately stood out to me.

The Adeptus Mechanicus seldom if ever travels outside of the Spire, with Tech adepts almost never being seen below the Wall that separates the nobles from the rest of Hive city.