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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Frozenwastes; why aren’t you complaining that all of the dozen other changes NOVA is making for their tournament clearly show that the base game is broken beyond belief?

Is it because you haven’t actually read the NOVA rules pack and have no idea what other changes were made? Because it certainly seems like it from here.

I'm not complaining about any of the changes at all. I think it's entirely likely that they'll produce the exact game experience the organizers of NOVA are looking for.

The elevation issue matters because of the nature of the product sold. It's a 2" limit on a game that comes with 5" tall terrain. And they are right to make this change given my own in game experience.

I think the rules will work better for people in a zone mortalis type setting than an imperial city with multi-story buildings.

I might have missed it, but just quote the text in here if I did...

...but what are the odds of Rogue Trader maybe bringing some new rules and depth to Kill-Team? I couldn't help but feel things were a bit lackluster. I'm not going to want the game to be as intensive as Necromunda, but I couldn't help but feel that campaign... well, I think people could homebrew better campaigns, to be honest.

And let's say they don't... how would one pitch game ideas to GW- especially considering it wouldn't require them to create new models or do much of anything...?

TLDR this game is great if you play on necromunda boards.
Obscurement won't save you.
Still lacks a lot of narrative elements. But its a solid compromise.
I'd give it a solid 7/10. It's got flaws and bumps, but expansions could add a lot, since ultimately the core rules are pretty good. Army lists suck - hopefully we can get some more options through expansions that are reasonably priced.
Still worth playing - don't skip out on this if you like 40k and Skirmish.

Quite like the way these starters are presented, got my Ork and Scion boxes today. Fun fluff booklets, two missions (one narrative with custom tactics for both sides, one matched for two to four players), a single terrain specific tactic card (meh) and them token sheets.

The brown dye they used for the terrain though, while still the same plastic, makes it feel cheapo somehow.

Also missing blank stat cards with faction specific art on the back. Minor detail, but would've been nice.

Interesting, I thought they came with stat cards that did that like the big boxed set did?

They come with filled in stat cards for the sample teams, but no blanks.

Finally got my first game in today.

I'd not had time to build anything, so we did a Dark Angels vs Khorne CSM narrative game, using the board and some TTCombat MDF ruins which fit in very well aesthetically. We ended on turn 5 and agreed on calling it a draw. If it had been called at 4 turns, I'd have won, if we went to 6, I'd have lost so that seemed fair.

Bit slower than I expected and we got a few bits wrong. But I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to playing more if a campaign, and getting quicker at playing the game.

So... looking at the Kill Team boxes...

When comparing the Kill Zones and the Kill Team boxes associated to them, what does the Kill Team box comes with the Kill Zone doesn't as far as terrain, cards, etc?

It seems like the terrain is pretty mush the same, so outside of the actual kill team and a few cards, the Kill Zone has the same items from the 2 corresponding Kill Team boxes.

So if I don't need more Nids or AM, the kill zone has the same stuff, minus 6 cards specific to the Kill Team box?

 BrookM wrote:
Quite like the way these starters are presented, got my Ork and Scion boxes today. Fun fluff booklets, two missions (one narrative with custom tactics for both sides, one matched for two to four players), a single terrain specific tactic card (meh) and them token sheets.

The brown dye they used for the terrain though, while still the same plastic, makes it feel cheapo somehow.

Its because its the same color plastic that Fisher Price uses a lot. :-)

I got a game in: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2018/08/warhammer-40000-kill-team-renegade.html

Do we have a release schedule for the remaining KT products?

Interested in seeing harlequins box and if I'll want it over the regular troupe box.

 ProtoClone wrote:
Do we have a release schedule for the remaining KT products?

Interested in seeing harlequins box and if I'll want it over the regular troupe box.

The next 4 faction starter boxes are going to be Necron, Drukhari, Deathwatch, and Tau.

We don't know what the timeframe is on that as of yet, but this Saturday is Titanicus pre-orders and that release is only going to be a week (seriously, Warhammer Community still has the Kill Team banner up and Titanicus articles are few and far between so far).

My guess is that the other Kill Team stuff will be released interspersed with some 40k stuff over the next couple months, much like Shadespire and Bloodbowl stuff was.

Two questions about combat that I'd appreciate clarity on!

1. I haven't found anything (so am assuming it doesn't) as to allowing multiple ranks to fight in melee. In 40k, there was the rule about "being within 1" of an enemy" and "being within 1" of an ally within 1" of an enemy", but only the first seems accurate here. Is that true? You can only fight in melee if you are within 1" of your target?

2. Multiple melee weapons - is there any real advantage (other than being able to choose between them)? The question came up when looking at Death Guard and their weapon options - you can even drop your bolter for a second plague knife, but I can't work out why you would want to do that, as it seems a loss of ranged attack for no benefit (with KT rules). Is there a rule I am missing, or is there no reason to take two plague knives?


thanks!

 TalonZahn wrote:
So... looking at the Kill Team boxes...

When comparing the Kill Zones and the Kill Team boxes associated to them, what does the Kill Team box comes with the Kill Zone doesn't as far as terrain, cards, etc?

It seems like the terrain is pretty mush the same, so outside of the actual kill team and a few cards, the Kill Zone has the same items from the 2 corresponding Kill Team boxes.

So if I don't need more Nids or AM, the kill zone has the same stuff, minus 6 cards specific to the Kill Team box?

I believe so. So if you don't get the Nids, you will just be missing out the 6 unique cards. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Heh "just" be missing out.

Ok.

 TalonZahn wrote:

So if I don't need more Nids or AM, the kill zone has the same stuff, minus 6 cards specific to the Kill Team box?

There are 13 cards in the team boxes, six of which are shown in the rule book, and the counter set

drbored wrote:
The next 4 faction starter boxes are going to be Necron, Drukhari, Deathwatch, and Tau.

Has this information been released from somewhere or is it a guess based on something?

 Redemption wrote:

drbored wrote:
The next 4 faction starter boxes are going to be Necron, Drukhari, Deathwatch, and Tau.

Has this information been released from somewhere or is it a guess based on something?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2880/752823.page#10094649

drbored wrote:
The information actually comes from an advertisement in a GW store where they had a 'Check out Kill Team!' pamphlet and on the back of that pamphlet it had a list of where to find all of the different kits that you could get in Kill Team and how to purchase them.

On this list they had such things as 'Aberrants' being only available in Overkill, but they also had starter boxes for Tau, Necron, Drukhari, and Deathwatch listed with their kill team names (like Writhing Shadow for Tyranids).

In that list it had:

Necron - Immortals/Deathmarks
Tau - Breachers/Fire Warriors(I think)
Drukhari - Wyches
Deathwatch - Deathwatch Veterans

So we know that those are the next 4 starter sets that are coming, however the list must not look out very far because we know that Aberrants are coming too since we've seen new ones in a recent GW teaser.

Good to know, thanks!

 BrookM wrote:
Quite like the way these starters are presented, got my Ork and Scion boxes today. Fun fluff booklets, two missions (one narrative with custom tactics for both sides, one matched for two to four players), a single terrain specific tactic card (meh) and them token sheets.

the Kill Team and Killzone releases are the best values in GW's history, imho. I haven't been this excited and happy with a GW release since Warhammer 6th edition eighteen years ago.

 judgedoug wrote:

the Kill Team and Killzone releases are the best values in GW's history, imho. I haven't been this excited and happy with a GW release since Warhammer 6th edition eighteen years ago.

Unless you already have terrain and the minis, as you've been a good loyal little GW customer, and all you want is the cards which aren't available in the Kill Team card box.
The price of a KT starter for a pamphlet and a few cards is quite pricey imo.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

the Kill Team and Killzone releases are the best values in GW's history, imho. I haven't been this excited and happy with a GW release since Warhammer 6th edition eighteen years ago.

Unless you already have terrain and the minis, as you've been a good loyal little GW customer, and all you want is the cards which aren't available in the Kill Team card box.
The price of a KT starter for a pamphlet and a few cards is quite pricey imo.

Scions are $35 and containers are $50 for 3.

If you want anymore Scions and Scenery, the difference in price isn't exactly momentous.

It's a good booster for what they ask for it.

The Munitorum terrain set in particular is a steal with two sets of containers (2x €40,-), a crane set (€32,50) and a mat + gaming guff at €65,-

Mind, some have a bone to pick with GW, so nothing will be good enough for them.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Unless you already have terrain and the minis, as you've been a good loyal little GW customer, and all you want is the cards which aren't available in the Kill Team card box.
The price of a KT starter for a pamphlet and a few cards is quite pricey imo.

Would you like some cheese to go with your whine? Just play without the fething cards. They are optional.

Or, better yet, find a cool project you can do with some new terrain and kitbash some unique characters for your Kill Team. Did you know that the trailer the servohauler is on can also fit a munitorum container, and be linked up to make a train? The engine on the crane is interchangeable with the engine on the tractor too. Or that the munitorum containers can be modeled with the doors open to create a makeshift bridge? I've seen people on reddit turn a container into a food truck or weapon store booth with a few creative snips and some paint. Hell, even if you just keep the containers AS containers, the more you have, the cooler the junk/shipyard you can build with them. There's always something new you can do with the stuff in these kits.

In a world where people pay $20 for a single Fortnite skin (fortskin?), these starter boxes represent an excellent, tangible value.

 Sqorgar wrote:
Did you know that the trailer the servohauler is on can also fit a munitorum container, and be linked up to make a train?

Better yet (depending on who you ask), pair this setup with the "joyride" tactic for some mobile cover.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Unless you already have terrain and the minis, as you've been a good loyal little GW customer, and all you want is the cards which aren't available in the Kill Team card box.
The price of a KT starter for a pamphlet and a few cards is quite pricey imo.

Would you like some cheese to go with your whine? Just play without the fething cards. They are optional.

Except as far as I'd read, there were new unique cards in the starters, so unless you buy them, you won't even know what they say. I can't see why this seems to have angered you so much.
Since GWs revival, I've bought SW:A, 40k, loads of Nurgle units, a load of new Primaris stuff and vehicles, half a dozen codices, Necromunda, all the Necro gangs and cards and now the Kill Team rules. I'm not the anti-GW person you may think I am.

Word this year is that GW is doing so well that its causing a money vacuum in many other areas of gaming (RPG's, boardgames etc). Many vendors reporting it at the con this weekend.

GW's terrain push with KT will (temporarily) take a serious toll on many 3rd party terrain makers because GW has significantly lowered the entry price on high quality terrain setups.

More competition, more innovation. This will be a good time for us players.....

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Unless you already have terrain and the minis, as you've been a good loyal little GW customer, and all you want is the cards which aren't available in the Kill Team card box.
The price of a KT starter for a pamphlet and a few cards is quite pricey imo.

That's why you wait until people have bought multiple boxes for the cheap terrain and minis, and have started selling off all the leftover sets of cards for pennies on ebay...

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Except as far as I'd read, there were new unique cards in the starters, so unless you buy them, you won't even know what they say. I can't see why this seems to have angered you so much.

Yes. new, unique OPTIONAL cards. The NOVA tournament rules won't even let you use them. You don't need to have them. You don't need to play with them. You honestly aren't even missing much by not having them. They don't even functionally need to be cards, so you can just go to reddit and copy down what's on the cards easily. The starter bundles are an exceptional value and a good start for any player looking to try out a new faction - which is why they exist. It's why they include already filled out rosters for how to build the models.

Seriously, I have the starter set and the two killzones, and I'm drowning in cards. I have so many cards, I couldn't even lay them all out because then I wouldn't have room on the table for the game. I have close to 100 tactics cards right now, and that doesn't include the 50+ tactics included in the rulebook for all the other factions. 6 unique tactics cards? Big deal. By the time Kill Team is a year old, I'll be wallpapering my room with tactics cards.

People have been complaining about this since literally the moment they announced that the starter bundles would have unique cards - but it is entirely misguided and entirely unwarranted. It comes from a sense of entitlement, competitiveness, and of a fundamental misunderstanding of what the cards are, do, and represent.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

the Kill Team and Killzone releases are the best values in GW's history, imho. I haven't been this excited and happy with a GW release since Warhammer 6th edition eighteen years ago.

Unless you already have terrain and the minis, as you've been a good loyal little GW customer, and all you want is the cards which aren't available in the Kill Team card box.
The price of a KT starter for a pamphlet and a few cards is quite pricey imo.

I have about 25 years worth of terrain. I am absolutely delighted to have more. Two Drop Force Imperators and a Killzone Sector Munitorum, so that's another 10 containers to add to the 6 I previously owned, and tempted to get more.

I absolutely love LOVE that GW's Kill Team starters have terrain in them. 90% of the Shadow War pics online I saw were people fighting over open fields. This is GW's way of saying "you need more terrain. stop lining up and shooting each other. there shouldn't be more than five inches of clear LOS let alone unobstructed space. Everything you buy for Kill Team has terrain in it because terrain is as essential to this game as the models you use."


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 Sqorgar wrote:
People have been complaining about this since literally the moment they announced that the starter bundles would have unique cards - but it is entirely misguided and entirely unwarranted. It comes from a sense of entitlement, competitiveness, and of a fundamental misunderstanding of what the cards are, do, and represent.

I think it comes from the matched play mindset, where the only way to have fun is to list-build the perfect math and if you don't have these pokemon cards then you can't possibly have fun because you can only have fun if you destroy your opponent thanks to your mathing.

I understand GW's Open-Narrative-Matched play approach, but I kinda wish Kill Team just ditched the Matched Play altogether.