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Do you guys think with the rerelease of the game that they'll start offering the Con and KS exclusives through retailers like CSI as well? Of course, it'll have some serious conditions like only being available on odd numbered days to keep it exclusive to con goers and backers in that case because we know how much Palladium values us. If getting the pee out of the pool after the fact doesn't work as well as palladium hopes with the rerelease, that seems like it would be the next step to enhance sales of existing slow moving stock.

   
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Checking in on CSI remains highly entertaining, if just because their stock never seems to move.

That said, it actually has! They still have the 3 lonely Spartan/Phalanx packs sitting there, but the Artillery Pod listing has dropped from 13 boxes to 11!

2 expansions (from the more highly sought after non-core pair that is) sold! Movement! Hype! Buzz!

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Just had a thought... what if the reason Palladium doesn't want to discuss the plans is because they're planning on changing the scale for the rerelease? Obviously this would fly in the face of how the actual hail mary pass distraction vote went with the bumping up in scale they wanted getting by far the least amount of votes. I could see them throwing 5,000+ backers and who knows how many retail copy owners (both stores and gamers) under the bus to "reboot" the scale after the fact and redo the parts layout for the most important minis at the same time.

   
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Unless changing the scale would make it cheaper or easier (and I don't see why it would) I can't see why they would do it.

Of course having no reason, and being a completely idiotic move would actually make it more likely for PB to do it, I guess.
   
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Yes, photos of the rifts boardgame were posted online by one of the visitors to the Open House where Carmen was demoing 'his' game. As soon as we saw the pictures of the board we instantly recognized the game he had copied. Talisman has quite a distinctive board.
   
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Merijeek wrote:
Unless changing the scale would make it cheaper or easier (and I don't see why it would) I can't see why they would do it.


Doing Wave 2 in half-scale restic would be cheaper than matching scale styrene. It would be a gakky thing to do, but that hasn't stopped Kevin to date.

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evilsmurf wrote:Yes, photos of the rifts boardgame were posted online by one of the visitors to the Open House where Carmen was demoing 'his' game. As soon as we saw the pictures of the board we instantly recognized the game he had copied. Talisman has quite a distinctive board.


I guess that explains why we haven't seen Carmen's work in print much after apparently the Heroes Unlimited incident... both with the board game and the conventional rules. That's apparently the kind of staff that they prefer to keep on instead of getting rid of and/or hiring fresh.

Merijeek wrote:Unless changing the scale would make it cheaper or easier (and I don't see why it would) I can't see why they would do it.

Of course having no reason, and being a completely idiotic move would actually make it more likely for PB to do it, I guess.


The more I think about it, the more I think it's possible (but not yet probable admittedly). It does explain the absolute secrecy in what they've been doing for the past year and could justify their decision to publicy "rerelease" the game next year instead of just coming out with wave 2. If they showed sprues or 3D printed test pieces, the secret would be out and folks would realize that their potential plan amounts to nothing more than screwing over every single existing customer. DP9 did that with Heavy Gear around 1998ish so they wouldn't be the first but they're also STILL paying the price for screwing over customers with that initial move (which was followed by multiple similar ones in the decades since). After the distraction vote this past spring/early summer in which their heavily propagandized bigger scale got the absolute lowest amount of votes, they quickly proclaimed that it still had enough for further consideration... even though it was the last choice by a wide margin. I could see them thinking it appropriate to use the remaining KS funds to redo the most important minis (that they've already screwed up) in a different scale and/or material along with "advanced" rules that amount to nothing more than the previously promised but abandoned skirmish rules we already paid for. Of course we've already gotten more than our fair share of value according to Palladium in their BBB responses so they'd likely not bother to ship us anything except in lieu of wave 2 (not in addition to them). I admit the above is quite tin foil hat but unfortunately the most accurate predictions about this game throughout its history have been the most pessimistic ones. I hope I'm wrong though but I'll be looking for subtle hints of a forced scale change from now on.

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 warboss wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I think it's possible (but not yet probable admittedly). It does explain the absolute secrecy in what they've been doing for the past year and could justify their decision to publicy "rerelease" the game next year instead of just coming out with wave 2. If they showed sprues or 3D printed test pieces, the secret would be out and folks would realize that their potential plan amounts to nothing more than screwing over every single existing customer. DP9 did that with Heavy Gear around 1998ish so they wouldn't be the first but they're also STILL paying the price for screwing over customers with that initial move (which was followed by multiple similar ones in the decades since). After the distraction vote this past spring/early summer in which their heavily propagandized bigger scale got the absolute lowest amount of votes, they quickly proclaimed that it still had enough for further consideration... even though it was the last choice by a wide margin. I could see them thinking it appropriate to use the remaining KS funds to redo the most important minis (that they've already screwed up) in a different scale and/or material along with "advanced" rules that amount to nothing more than the previously promised but abandoned skirmish rules we already paid for. Of course we've already gotten more than our fair share of value according to Palladium in their BBB responses so they'd likely not bother to ship us anything except in lieu of wave 2 (not in addition to them). I admit the above is quite tin foil hat but unfortunately the most accurate predictions about this game throughout its history have been the most pessimistic ones. I hope I'm wrong though but I'll be looking for subtle hints of a forced scale change from now on.

While I wouldn't want to dismiss rampant stupidity from Palladium out of hand (that's the one thing I continue to give them the benefit of the doubt on), I do think that it is the worst possible thing they could do from a business perspective. You already mentioned the public relations perspective, but that's not what I'm talking about. A change of scale for the current fulfillment would be a direct breach of the agreement that backers made with Palladium. From the front page, "All game pieces are 1/285th scale (40mm – 70mm tall) and are high quality, multi-part, multi-pose ABS plastic.". That's as much a part of the contract as the quantity of models, or the specific model types.

Unless they're willing to offer refunds to any who want them, as some backed BECAUSE of the scale (and we know how they feel about refunds), AND are willing to provide replacements of all the existing models in the new scale for those willing to remain attached, it's essentially throwing up a fraud flag. They'd be better off arguing that "Sorry, the campaign is out of money, we cannot fulfil your rewards, here's why you're not owed any more", trying to weasel out that way and keeping a low profile, than saying "Hey, we're gonna spend a couple hundred thousand on new molds, tough luck backers, thanks for getting us this far, you can purchase the new stuff at www.suckerborneveryminute.com".

I mean, I can see suits happening if they tried to fold, and those might win, but what you're proposing? It'd be handing the lawyers the keys to PB almost as fast as Kevin saying "Yup. We screwed the backers. I bought a yacht. Come get me.".

There's no way this could work out for PB, even if they were a slick well-oiled machine. But this lot? *makes airplane flying noises as it descends* *makes big crashing sound* *mimes big explosion expression with hands*.
   
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evilsmurf wrote:
Yes, photos of the rifts boardgame were posted online by one of the visitors to the Open House where Carmen was demoing 'his' game. As soon as we saw the pictures of the board we instantly recognized the game he had copied. Talisman has quite a distinctive board.



Can someone please post a pic or link of it?
   
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 Forar wrote:
Checking in on CSI remains highly entertaining, if just because their stock never seems to move.

That said, it actually has! They still have the 3 lonely Spartan/Phalanx packs sitting there, but the Artillery Pod listing has dropped from 13 boxes to 11!

2 expansions (from the more highly sought after non-core pair that is) sold! Movement! Hype! Buzz!


You have no idea how much that stock sitting on the shelf there bothers me. It's been there so long, it IS gathering dust. The two Artillery Pod packs are the first I've seen move in months.

(Fyi - I work for CSI. )

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While I was really hoping that RRT would come out in 1/200(N-scale) so it would match up with my MW:O minis and my MW:AoD as well I did back a Kickstarter for 1/285. If they made them smaller or larger it would be breaching the terms and making my game set look absolutely mis-matched. I don't see as how they could do that legally and cheaper so it is most likely supposition.


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As to PB not breaking the contract backers pledged to, why not? they have done it before and done it in this project and will most likely do it again, why? because they can, the backers are mostly apathetic and lazy doing nothing but armchair complaining, and PB knows this, this is why they keep stretching the disbelief, right now there are only a handful who will do anything and PB will pay us off, hell the bulk of complainers can't even be bothered to file with the FTC and/or the Michigan AG, and PB knows this, so they will continue to push the boundaries of decentness and honor because people won't stand up unified and say no more.

As it goes most backers are doing a wait and see attitude, not realizing thats what PB wants, because they know that will accomplish nothing, if worse comes to worse with a couple lawsuits then they refund with a NDA to avoid the run for the banks, if they offered me a refund and said i only get it if I keep mum about it I would accept it, cause I would be getting my money back and will no longer have to deal with this. meanwhile those who are sitting and waiting will continue to sit and wait for the newest PB screw over.

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You have stated over years now that you want to destroy PB as a company.
But just like PB, you will sell out your word for a few bucks.
   
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 n815e wrote:
You have stated over years now that you want to destroy PB as a company.
But just like PB, you will sell out your word for a few bucks.


I can only do so much, I have filed with the FTC and the Michigan AG, but if others do not, not much I can do, neither agency will act unless a sufficient amount complain.

and once PB offers me a refund not much I can do after that.

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Asterios wrote:
As to PB not breaking the contract backers pledged to, why not? they have done it before and done it in this project and will most likely do it again, why? because they can, the backers are mostly apathetic and lazy doing nothing but armchair complaining, and PB knows this, this is why they keep stretching the disbelief, right now there are only a handful who will do anything and PB will pay us off, hell the bulk of complainers can't even be bothered to file with the FTC and/or the Michigan AG, and PB knows this, so they will continue to push the boundaries of decentness and honor because people won't stand up unified and say no more.

As it goes most backers are doing a wait and see attitude, not realizing thats what PB wants, because they know that will accomplish nothing, if worse comes to worse with a couple lawsuits then they refund with a NDA to avoid the run for the banks, if they offered me a refund and said i only get it if I keep mum about it I would accept it, cause I would be getting my money back and will no longer have to deal with this. meanwhile those who are sitting and waiting will continue to sit and wait for the newest PB screw over.


That's why I'm glad we have someone like you, Rick. At my pledge level, the few hours I'd devote to it would easily surpass the value of anything I'd feasibly get back in return. With your meticulous planning and pro bono legal assistance, you're the hero this Kickstarter both needs and deserves... our own Dark Knight to fight through all the white knights. You've been more than generous in giving Palladium enough warning with hundreds of posts on the Kickstarter over the years warning them to change their dastardly ways. Your mercy has been most bountiful and extended but it's time for you to enact your often quoted but delayed revenge.


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Asterios wrote:
 n815e wrote:
You have stated over years now that you want to destroy PB as a company.
But just like PB, you will sell out your word for a few bucks.


I can only do so much, I have filed with the FTC and the Michigan AG, but if others do not, not much I can do, neither agency will act unless a sufficient amount complain.

and once PB offers me a refund not much I can do after that.


You've threatened to sue them hundreds of times with your victory assured and only the extent of your revenge to be determined. You could... you know... actually do what you said ad nauseam. Are you actually admitting finally that your threats of suing them with your probono legal representation were a bluff?

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 warboss wrote:

You've threatened to sue them hundreds of times with your victory assured and only the extent of your revenge to be determined. You could... you know... actually do what you said ad nauseam. Are you actually admitting finally that your threats of suing them with your probono legal representation were a bluff?


no what 'm saying is people do not realize all PB has to do is give me a refund and then there is nothing I could do, PB sends me $120 and thats it. now if PB waits till a suit is filed then it will cost them more(attorney fees).

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Asterios wrote:
 warboss wrote:

You've threatened to sue them hundreds of times with your victory assured and only the extent of your revenge to be determined. You could... you know... actually do what you said ad nauseam. Are you actually admitting finally that your threats of suing them with your probono legal representation were a bluff?


no what 'm saying is people do not realize all PB has to do is give me a refund and then there is nothing I could do, PB sends me $120 and thats it. now if PB waits till a suit is filed then it will cost them more(attorney fees).


Ok, just checking. They only have a few weeks until your most recent ideal filing time is reached to pay you your $120 in that case. I suspect you or your legal representative will be in court very soon unless you decide to delay the ultimatum date yet again.


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While I wouldn't want to dismiss rampant stupidity from Palladium out of hand (that's the one thing I continue to give them the benefit of the doubt on), I do think that it is the worst possible thing they could do from a business perspective. You already mentioned the public relations perspective, but that's not what I'm talking about. A change of scale for the current fulfillment would be a direct breach of the agreement that backers made with Palladium. From the front page, "All game pieces are 1/285th scale (40mm – 70mm tall) and are high quality, multi-part, multi-pose ABS plastic.". That's as much a part of the contract as the quantity of models, or the specific model types.


They've broken the kickstarter contract so many times voluntarily that it's almost meaningless. The minis were shows and works in progress and subject to change. If palladium thinks the words "delivery estimate" gives them FOREVER to complete the rewards as long as they're "working" on it, I don't see them splitting hairs and not thinking that "subject to change" doesn't give them carte blanche to change the scale. It would be a breach of contract IMO but so is an almost 3 year delay, split waves, no skirmish rules, trying to sell at retail before fulfilling backer rewards, etc.

While we don't have a minis game to compare it with (although they do admittedly have a scale stable minis line that nobody cares about), they do have a series of RPGs including Robotech to compare it with. Before the current rehashed Robotech RPG was released, they touted the new super awesome everyone around the office loves it "manga" size of the print (slightly between normal paperback and the larger size 40k's Black Library uses for new readers). Concerns from actual customers were raised about the readibility/utility/durability of this size as well as the overall aesthetics of a half size book next to the rest of the Palladium RPG collections on shelves. Of course, all dissent as usual was ignored because Kevin Siembieda was "innovating" to great acclaim (within his arm's paycheck reach and earshot). The format at market turned out not to be popular and eventually they came out with a "deluxe" hardback version of the core book that sold better and they started to reprint existing books (without any new content) in the normal size. Eventually, new books ONLY came out in the normal size and people who were stupid enough to buy the original manga size (including myself for two books) were left out in the cold. Screwing over existing customers by changing the size of the products in a game line is a tactic in the Palladium playbook. So many bad habits they've developed over decades in their RPG business seems to have carried over to their minis game so I don't see why they couldn't take it one step further.

It's admittedly a conspiracy theory at this point but I'm staking my "I told you so claim!" in advance.

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 warboss wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 warboss wrote:

You've threatened to sue them hundreds of times with your victory assured and only the extent of your revenge to be determined. You could... you know... actually do what you said ad nauseam. Are you actually admitting finally that your threats of suing them with your probono legal representation were a bluff?


no what 'm saying is people do not realize all PB has to do is give me a refund and then there is nothing I could do, PB sends me $120 and thats it. now if PB waits till a suit is filed then it will cost them more(attorney fees).


Ok, just checking. They only have a few weeks until your most recent ideal filing time is reached to pay you your $120 in that case. I suspect you or your legal representative will be in court very soon unless you decide to delay the ultimatum date yet again.


Well if anything got off from the AG's office or the FTC I probably wouldn't pursue the lawsuit since they will do far more damage then I could.

 warboss wrote:
While I wouldn't want to dismiss rampant stupidity from Palladium out of hand (that's the one thing I continue to give them the benefit of the doubt on), I do think that it is the worst possible thing they could do from a business perspective. You already mentioned the public relations perspective, but that's not what I'm talking about. A change of scale for the current fulfillment would be a direct breach of the agreement that backers made with Palladium. From the front page, "All game pieces are 1/285th scale (40mm – 70mm tall) and are high quality, multi-part, multi-pose ABS plastic.". That's as much a part of the contract as the quantity of models, or the specific model types.

They've broken the kickstarter contract so many times voluntarily that it's almost meaningless. The minis were shows and works in progress and subject to change. If palladium thinks the words "delivery estimate" gives them FOREVER to complete the rewards as long as they're "working" on it, I don't see them splitting hairs and not thinking that "subject to change" doesn't give them carte blanche to change the scale. It would be a breach of contract IMO but so is an almost 3 year delay, split waves, no skirmish rules, trying to sell at retail before fulfilling backer rewards, etc.

While we don't have a minis game to compare it with (although they do admittedly have a scale stable minis line that nobody cares about), they do have a series of RPGs including Robotech to compare it with. Before the current rehashed Robotech RPG was released, they touted the new super awesome everyone around the office loves it "manga" size of the print (slightly between normal paperback and the larger size 40k's Black Library uses for new readers). Concerns from actual customers were raised about the readibility/utility/durability of this size as well as the overall aesthetics of a half size book next to the rest of the Palladium RPG collections on shelves. Of course, all dissent as usual was ignored because Kevin Siembieda was "innovating" to great acclaim (within his arm's paycheck reach and earshot). The format at market turned out not to be popular and eventually they came out with a "deluxe" hardback version of the core book that sold better and they started to reprint existing books (without any new content) in the normal size. Eventually, new books ONLY came out in the normal size and people who were stupid enough to buy the original manga size (including myself for two books) were left out in the cold. Screwing over existing customers by changing the size of the products in a game line is a tactic in the Palladium playbook. So many bad habits they've developed over decades in their RPG business seems to have carried over to their minis game so I don't see why they couldn't take it one step further.

It's admittedly a conspiracy theory at this point but I'm staking my "I told you so claim!" in advance.


oh I agree with you, PB feels like they can do anything due to the Apathy of their backers and buyers and fans.

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Asterios wrote:
 warboss wrote:

You've threatened to sue them hundreds of times with your victory assured and only the extent of your revenge to be determined. You could... you know... actually do what you said ad nauseam. Are you actually admitting finally that your threats of suing them with your probono legal representation were a bluff?


no what 'm saying is people do not realize all PB has to do is give me a refund and then there is nothing I could do, PB sends me $120 and thats it. now if PB waits till a suit is filed then it will cost them more(attorney fees).


This is interesting - and disappointing.

I can't believe that someone on the Internet was exaggerating - again!!!

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Oh, Rick has mentioned that a number of times to date.

Usually with an addendum to note that they probably won't do it because it would cause an Ultra Tsunami of other backers demanding the same.

And honestly, I could see a pro/con situation of weighing out whether to just give a refund to shut someone up (and risk dozens or hundreds of people coming at them for the same) or making them jump through the hoops to do it legally, presumably incurring a much higher loss per person that does, but adding a massive barrier to having to do so, likely vastly reducing the number of people who would actually act on it.

I'd be surprised if someone there hadn't run the math, or talked to a lawyer about how it might all play out based on precedent.

Pro-rated reasonably as many people have run the math, PB doesn't even owe me all that much across a double-Reckless and a pile of add ons. But a hundred people around my level would add up very quickly, as an example.

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 Alpharius wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 warboss wrote:

You've threatened to sue them hundreds of times with your victory assured and only the extent of your revenge to be determined. You could... you know... actually do what you said ad nauseam. Are you actually admitting finally that your threats of suing them with your probono legal representation were a bluff?


no what 'm saying is people do not realize all PB has to do is give me a refund and then there is nothing I could do, PB sends me $120 and thats it. now if PB waits till a suit is filed then it will cost them more(attorney fees).


This is interesting - and disappointing.

I can't believe that someone on the Internet was exaggerating - again!!!


no I'm trying my best have filed with the FTC and with the States AG, and even told people how to do it, but only so much I can do if others do not wish to help themselves nothing i can do about it, I can give them water but I cannot make them drink.

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I know, I know - but since PB refuses to give out any firm dates, can we at least have a firm date for the start of the Legal Tsunami©®™?

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 Alpharius wrote:
I know, I know - but since PB refuses to give out any firm dates, can we at least have a firm date for the start of the Legal Tsunami©®™?
exact date is on my attorney, he has to get a docket number a court date and all that or such (he told me all he had to do but I forget).

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I don't like the sound of that!

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 Alpharius wrote:
I don't like the sound of that!


it is what it is, as it goes he waiting till after the holidays to start filing since filing before is an effort in still waiting.

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Asterios wrote:

no I'm trying my best have filed with the FTC and with the States AG, and even told people how to do it, but only so much I can do if others do not wish to help themselves nothing i can do about it, I can give them water but I cannot make them drink.


If they're not thirsty, why would they want to dig the well? You're not some Kickstarter Moses leading your backer people to the promised refund land so please stop excusing your own delays in carrying through with your originally stated actions on others. Every backer makes the determination about whether it is worth it personally to them to carry it to the next step. Heck, some made the decision to simply stop complaining and forget about it completely. Some still complain and spread the word like us in this thread. A smaller subset group have taken the next step to file complaints with various official and unofficial bodies (which you admittedly spearheaded). You, however, were the only person to consciously make the public decision long ago to loudly and frequently inform everyone for years that you're taking it to the final level (suing Palladium). While I applaud your previous initial late added groundwork efforts several seasons ago, it's time for you to stop threatening palladium with their ultimate destruction over and over again and finally move to DEFCON 1 or just admit defeat. You need to start crapping or get off the pot... but I suspect you'll just switch stalls yet again instead.

Now, it wouldn't be the first time in the history of this kickstarter that someone kept making grand promises and posted walls of ultimately meaningless text only to break their word over and over and keep pushing back the date... but I'm not sure you really should be imitating your nemesis, Rick Steinbieda. You've come out with your wave 1 revenge rewards (FTC and BBB) many months ago; it's time to stop pushing back the date on wave 2 (the lawsuit). The other option is to just admit that you're not capable of it and/or it's not worth it and instead apologize for wasting everyone's time for years with your threats. You've got only got a few weeks until you officially become a parody of the man whose company you wish to crush. You've cried wolf so many times you've probably spotted every living and dead specimen in the entire genus yet no attacks have actually been reported.

Asterios wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I don't like the sound of that!


it is what it is, as it goes he waiting till after the holidays to start filing since filing before is an effort in still waiting.


If you actually keep your word in the early weeks of 2016 (subject to obvious public verification and conclusion of course), I'll be the first to congratulate you in the thread and apologize. It still won't be worth it for me to follow in your footsteps but I'll readily acknowledge your attempt at a moral victory for consumer rights in this mess of a project.

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 warboss wrote:
Asterios wrote:

no I'm trying my best have filed with the FTC and with the States AG, and even told people how to do it, but only so much I can do if others do not wish to help themselves nothing i can do about it, I can give them water but I cannot make them drink.


If they're not thirsty, why would they want to dig the well? You're not some Kickstarter Moses leading your backer people to the promised refund land so please stop excusing your own delays in carrying through with your originally stated actions on others. Every backer makes the determination about whether it is worth it personally to them to carry it to the next step. Heck, some made the decision to simply stop complaining and forget about it completely. Some still complain and spread the word like us in this thread. A smaller subset group have taken the next step to file complaints with various official and unofficial bodies (which you admittedly spearheaded). You, however, were the only person to consciously make the public decision long ago to loudly and frequently inform everyone for years that you're taking it to the final level (suing Palladium). While I applaud your previous initial late added groundwork efforts several seasons ago, it's time for you to stop threatening palladium with their ultimate destruction over and over again and finally move to DEFCON 1 or just admit defeat. You need to start crapping or get off the pot... but I suspect you'll just switch stalls yet again instead.

Now, it wouldn't be the first time in the history of this kickstarter that someone kept making grand promises and posted walls of ultimately meaningless text only to break their word over and over and keep pushing back the date... but I'm not sure you really should be imitating your nemesis, Rick Steinbieda. You've come out with your wave 1 revenge rewards (FTC and BBB) many months ago; it's time to stop pushing back the date on wave 2 (the lawsuit). The other option is to just admit that you're not capable of it and/or it's not worth it and instead apologize for wasting everyone's time for years with your threats. You've got only got a few weeks until you officially become a parody of the man whose company you wish to crush. You've cried wolf so many times you've probably spotted every living and dead specimen in the entire genus yet no attacks have actually been reported.

Asterios wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I don't like the sound of that!


it is what it is, as it goes he waiting till after the holidays to start filing since filing before is an effort in still waiting.


If you actually keep your word in the early weeks of 2016 (subject to obvious public verification and conclusion of course), I'll be the first to congratulate you in the thread and apologize. It still won't be worth it for me to follow in your footsteps but I'll readily acknowledge your attempt at a moral victory for consumer rights in this mess of a project.


and like I said it is still my intention to do so right after the holidays, but I am also a realist who realizes even Kevin can't be that Stupid to risk a lawsuit against him, so if I receive the aforementioned refund not much I can do anyway. but if Kevin is that stupid, then he does not deserve to be running a company at all.

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 warboss wrote:
While I applaud your previous initial late added groundwork efforts several seasons ago, it's time for you to stop threatening palladium with their ultimate destruction over and over again and finally move to DEFCON 1 or just admit defeat.


Dude, get off his back. The way I read his posts, he gave a 12/31/2015 deadline, and we're still more than 2 weeks from that. It is still possible that Kevco will surprise and delight us with something substantial and verifiable before that passes. It is highly likely that Kevin will give some big blathering Update to try and mark time in the last week of the year.

Assuming that PB continues to stonewall and kick the can, he will file at his convenience (and budget), not ours. Given how quickly (glacially slowly) the legal process is, and how litigation works (again, very slowly), I would not expect filing and service to occur until February. At that point, any updates on pending litigation will come from PACER and more likely gaming news, because people are generally unwise to comment on active litigation.

From a strict dollars and cents standpoint, Palladium will pay more in legal fees responding to the complaint than they would in a refund. With interest. The real thing here is having a winning legal template for people to file in their local Small Claims. Give him as much time as he wants. If it goes into late Q2/Q3 next year, then you can give him a little grief. But right now, it's a little premature to be busting his balls.

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Dude, get off his back. The way I read his posts, he gave a 12/31/2015 deadline, and we're still more than 2 weeks from that. It is still possible that Kevco will surprise and delight us with something substantial and verifiable before that passes. It is highly likely that Kevin will give some big blathering Update to try and mark time in the last week of the year.

Assuming that PB continues to stonewall and kick the can, he will file at his convenience (and budget), not ours. Given how quickly (glacially slowly) the legal process is, and how litigation works (again, very slowly), I would not expect filing and service to occur until February. At that point, any updates on pending litigation will come from PACER and more likely gaming news, because people are generally unwise to comment on active litigation.


He gave that date only in response to my prodding. Previously he would drift straight through the seasons threatening Palladium with their doom with nothing to show for it. The talk of the BBB and the FTC were suddenly added earlier this year as advised legal groundwork before filing which was indeed helpful... but those efforts have long since failed so I wanted to see what his next milestone is and I finally got the EOY 2015 date. He will indeed end up filing at his convenience and budget (although he has boasted many times of free representation so that helps take out alot of the sting of the costs) regardless of this thread and that is his choice... as is mine to politely (but sarcastically) remind him of his many, many previous so far unfulfilled boasts of legal doom and the next upcoming delivery (of JUSTICE!) date. He can file on January 2nd as he's had over a year and a half to prepare while threatening palladium (while annoying backers). Now, I don't expect him to file on January 2nd but I do think that the month of January is more than enough time to put up or shut up given the multiyear history of his constant rhetoric (2014,2015, and potentially 2016). If he does, I'll congratulate him on his perserverance and apologize for not believing in him. If he doesn't, I'll expect an apology for hundreds of wasted comment threats that drowned out legitimate discussion of the troubles in this project in 2014 and 2015.

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