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GW seems to have made another step towards their Chinese paint suppliers: The Citadel paint range gets new pots in style with the foundation paint pots, but with a semi-transparent lid:



http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/05/29/36532

My FLGS got the first 6-pack of these last week, so the release already started.

Boo! I don't like the foundation pots.

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http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/05/29/36532

Hmm, worked when I posted it, but I edit the first ppost now.

They look rather cheap. Are they just pop tops? Or are they still the snap style lids they currently are? I mean do the lids just come right off, or are they still attached to the pot as they are now.

I don't like them, at all.

I like the current ones much better.

Kroothawk wrote:Hmm, worked when I posted it, but I edit the first ppost now.

Your browser had it cached

The current ones do work pretty well. It's always a bit hit or miss, but I feel like the current flip tops hold a seal a bit better than the "Foundation/Wash" style ones.

Kan, you are dakkas brim, as usual, thanks for the news!

Phryxis wrote:The current ones do work pretty well. It's always a bit hit or miss, but I feel like the current flip tops hold a seal a bit better than the "Foundation/Wash" style ones.

I have had more paints dry out with the current black flip lid than any other. The best was the original white soft plastic lid (still have some of the original release paints that are still usable...)

Mick

The clear lids could be handy for finding your colors quickly( I keep my paints in a tray in a drawer).

But, the only GW paints I use these days are some of the antique Citadel pop tops- GW lost my patronage for paints long ago.

I have had more paints dry out with the current black flip lid than any other.

The old screw off black lids were the ones I had the worst luck with. They pretty much uniformly would dry out, I think I have maybe two or three of them left.

The flip tops do also sometimes dry, but I haven't lost one all the way yet. So far I've spotted them and droppered in some water to rehabilitate it.

The tops on the Foundation/Washes seem ok, and the washes are doing well, but I've had most/all of the Foundations sludge up a bit. Might just be a symptom of the paint itself, tho.

The only concern I have with the foundation pots are they are so damned tiny. And the paint drips under the lip in the lid to run all over the hinge and down the side of the pot.

I do like the current ones. Best since the first pots they did (I still have 4 or 5 pots from 1992 that have perfectly fine paint in them).

I hope they aren't reducing the amount of paint. If so, its time to promote vallejo paints.

I have always found the GW paints as good as anyone else's (though more expensive, of course).

The main reason to use them is if you want to follow GW painting guides which tell you how to put Snot Green over Pus Yellow to make an attractive effect.

Otherwise there's no necessity to use GW and there are many alternatives available.

So is this a way of GW raising prices again?

Hehe i love how much people moan whenever gw changes something.
i can remember when they intreduced there own paint ! " hey these aint enamel whats going on "
and went to hexagonal pots and got rid of all the old clasic colours teracotta and night world blue and all the other great ones.
and then we had the blood angels herresy ! "why are your BA red ? not orange heritic !" lol
as long as the paints are still useable then i dont realy care . and as ive got 200 plus pots includeing most of the origonal colours {which never dry up }
im only gona be replaceing used up ones anyway.

Kilkrazy wrote:I have always found the GW paints as good as anyone else's (though more expensive, of course).

The main reason to use them is if you want to follow GW painting guides which tell you how to put Snot Green over Pus Yellow to make an attractive effect.

Otherwise there's no necessity to use GW and there are many alternatives available.

Convertion color tables at vallejos could probably help you out.
Unless is a very specific color with no correspondant on VGM or VMC im all for vallejos since most of my GW pots dried out.

Like this one! http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_Chart

CURNOW wrote:Hehe i love how much people moan whenever gw changes something.
i can remember when they intreduced there own paint ! " hey these aint enamel whats going on "
and went to hexagonal pots and got rid of all the old clasic colours teracotta and night world blue and all the other great ones.
and then we had the blood angels herresy ! "why are your BA red ? not orange heritic !" lol
as long as the paints are still useable then i dont realy care . and as ive got 200 plus pots includeing most of the origonal colours {which never dry up }
im only gona be replaceing used up ones anyway.

Well a paint range lasts as long as the pigments are in supply. When the run out and you need more, you can never get the exact same shade again. That's why some paint ranges appear and disappear in a fwe years, and others tend to update but the same named colours change colour. Humbrol have done this too, many of their enamels are a different tone and shade to pot made years ago. What ruined the Humbrol Authentics range was a fire in the factory that destroyed the pigment stores. The paints are still available but the colours are not the same.

Problem with GW paints is that the best they did were in the white pots years. Like most modelling supplies they bought them in rather than manufacturing themselves. Then then changed the black pots an it all went to hell. Loads of colours changed, 'Goblin Green' was totally different, and there was less paint in the pots, oh and the price went up. And the screw tops were useless. It took them years to change the design and what they have now isn't great either. Why is it that many people report still using their white top paints even though some are nearly 20 years old yet the modern ones have a shelflife of a few years at most, some last a few months.

1.) Personally I also like the current Citadel pots best, as you can easily take paint from the lid and colours do't dry out so often.
2.) A GW man told me that most people misinterpret the pin at the lid: It is meant as a stopper, not to keep the lid horizontal. You are not supposed to take the paint from the lid. So the spill of paint is caused by a non-intended use of the pot.
3.) Vallejo's Game Colour is a shameless copy of the GW Citadel colour range with all names as close as you can get. Still, Vallejo colours are a bit different, a.o. having more pigments and not so convincing metals.

No change to the actual paint? Just less paint for more cash right?

I will check tomorrow, but I think it's the same amount of paint for the same cash. Sorry to disappoint you

I like the colour-codex lids.

I think they look good, it'll be nice to be able to pick out a specific paint with a quick glance at the lid rather than shuffling through the entire pile of pots you have close at hand to find it.

Altough if they reduce the amount of paint/pot for the same price I won't be pleased.

Mookie.

Vallejo game color may be a copy, but they do have all the old colors that GW has pahsed out.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Vallejo game color may be a copy, but they do have all the old colors that GW has pahsed out.

...And more paint on pots 17ml instead of the gw12ml, paint consistency more diluted wich is perfect for painters that like to blend, vallejos pots also controll the paint that exits from the pot to pallete in a much more controlable way wich means less waste, more durable etc etc, so its not really a Copy but much more a improvement on the formula... oh and its all that and cheaper.

I paint every day and I still prefer GW. Never understood why people hate on it so much. PP paint is good too but every time I try and get into Vallejo I am very dissapointed...

GW are nice for standard colors, but as soon as it gets historical....

GMMStudios wrote:I paint every day and I still prefer GW. Never understood why people hate on it so much. PP paint is good too but every time I try and get into Vallejo I am very dissapointed...

Its not like I hate them, Its more a question I like vallejos more for my painting.