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I'm interested in trying to write some kind of cross over between 40k and the Star Trek universe. The Warp seems to be just as good for time traveling as it is for transportation, and I could easily see some kind of unpiloted, uncontrolled Warp jump sending a small group of Imperial Navy and Guard ships back a few tens of thousand of years.

Of course, I have no misconceptions of Starfleet maneuverability somehow enabling to wipe the floor with the Imperial Fleet. I'd expect them to wipe the floor with the Feds in any straight up fight. What I was more interested in is discussion over how the Imperium would react to finding their ancient brethren. Right now, I'm thinking the fact that the Feds concert with filthy Xenos would be enough reason for the Imps to declare them heretics and purge the entire organization in the name of the God-Emperor, but of course....I could be wrong. What does dakka think?

And also, I can't resist asking this.....I almost think it's a tradition for people writing 40k crossover fanfic, but.....which Trek characters have the potential to be the God-Emperor of Mankind Himself?

One has time-travel capability, the other does not. I rest my case.

That's true, but we knew the Imperium would wipe the floor with the Feds. I'm more interested in how the two factions would deal with each other's existence. Sheer just purge the heretics? Or what?

Starting with the Holy Fleet slapping the living daylights out of starfleet without a scratch. Having guns that are actually accurate at the hundreds of kilometers range, and some having BARRELS longer than the average engagement range in Trek (about 1km, the nova cannon, fear it) and armor to match, there really wouldent be much of a contest. Then it would fall upon the shoulders of the federation's salwart, crack ground forces to stem the imperial tide... Oh, wait...

Lol agreed with Sniper I think it would be a terribly one sided fight...

And a land fight? Whats the only thing you can think of thats worse then a Lasgun...A hand phasor

I remember reading somewhere that the range of the phasers on the original Enterprise was somewhere in the ballpark of 400,000 km, and it only goes up from there. Mind you, a) we're on a board dedicated to 40k, b) talking about a clash between a corrupt, disintegrating galaxy-spanning theocracy and the Space UN, and c) in the Star Trek universe even powerful lasers are worthless.

Boltguns would feth Borg right up however.

Trek for the win. 40k weapnry has always struck me as advanced modern weaponry while Trek weaponry is futuristic. Besides in one 2-hour movie someone on board would invent a new devise no one has ever seen before that would take out space marines, or the counselor would talk the marines into switching sides.

To those of you that will say...

"but 40k warships are 100's of times bigger than the largest starfleet vessel..."

Two words...

Genesis Torpedo

ChrisWWII wrote:That's true, but we knew the Imperium would wipe the floor with the Feds. I'm more interested in how the two factions would deal with each other's existence. Sheer just purge the heretics? Or what?

No the imperium would be no match. If one can fight at the speed of light and the other can't then there's no contest in space. A genesis torpedo dropped on Terra ends the Imperium. A Leman Russ is irrelevant to a common hand phaser.

How many systems instantly rebel to free themselves from Stalin level oppression when a new hope is offered? It would make the Horus Heresy look like a picnic.

I wonder how many fistfights would erupt if you took the 40k vs star trek argument to a trekkie convention? Either way hilarity would ensue.

And 40k wins because of EMPRAH! sod your fairy girly genesis torpedo(the name alone conjures images of rainbows and San Francisco, I hate their golden gate bridge so much), we have the God-Emperor on a giant gold toilet!

Deadshane1 wrote:To those of you that will say...

"but 40k warships are 100's of times bigger than the largest starfleet vessel..."

Two words...

Genesis Torpedo

Damn you stole my line. KHAAANNNNNN!!!!!

For kicks visualize Nid Hive Fleet Badass coming to an imperium world to suck it dry. The Enterprise warps in. Kirk "introduces" himself to the Norn Queen to distract her while the torpedo is dropped mid Nid fleet. Enterprise warps out. Nids, not having the ability to accelelerate that quickly, are caught in the systemwide Genesis Effect and become part of a system of fluffy bunnies and tribbles. The Enterprise crew has breakfast. Kirk reminisces that "he's had better."

The fundamental problem for the Imperium is they can't even fight off nearsighted Tau. What are they going to do against a technologically superior, equally compact force that offers a clear and better alternative to the hell on earth scneario on most human worlds? Anything the Imperium has thats more technologically advanced would be learned quickly by the UFP. Depending on the timeline, they UFP's manufacturing capacity is nearly to the point of matter conversion. Plot out the design and industrial level replicators build it.

Frazzled wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:That's true, but we knew the Imperium would wipe the floor with the Feds. I'm more interested in how the two factions would deal with each other's existence. Sheer just purge the heretics? Or what?

No the imperium would be no match. If one can fight at the speed of light and the other can't then there's no contest in space. A genesis torpedo dropped on Terra ends the Imperium. A Leman Russ is irrelevant to a common hand phaser.

How many systems instantly rebel to free themselves from Stalin level oppression when a new hope is offered? It would make the Horus Heresy look like a picnic.

Awesome arguement for the Feds there Frazz. Proud a ya!

I take back everything I've ever said about you, except for that comment I made about you, a chupacabra, a 2 liter of Faygo, and the petroleum jelly, that was just too disturbing.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:That's true, but we knew the Imperium would wipe the floor with the Feds. I'm more interested in how the two factions would deal with each other's existence. Sheer just purge the heretics? Or what?

No the imperium would be no match. If one can fight at the speed of light and the other can't then there's no contest in space. A genesis torpedo dropped on Terra ends the Imperium. A Leman Russ is irrelevant to a common hand phaser.

How many systems instantly rebel to free themselves from Stalin level oppression when a new hope is offered? It would make the Horus Heresy look like a picnic.

Awesome arguement for the Feds there Frazz. Proud a ya!

I take back everything I've ever said about you, except for that comment I made about you, a chupacabra, a 2 liter of Faygo, and the petroleum jelly, that was just too disturbing.

Ditto Deadshane

Yep, fighting while in warp would do the imperium in - plus the ability to create minmi black holes at will, etc....

The UFP would call up their old buddies the nanites and dissolve ships while having a drink

Actually I'm fairly certain the genesis torpedo wouldn't actually harm the Imperial Palace.

Melissia wrote:Actually I'm fairly certain the genesis torpedo wouldn't actually harm the Imperial Palace.

Agreed. Anywho, the sheer size of the imperium would win it for them imo. And remember, the Imperium have psykers..

Right, the Federation is concerned with a single quadrant of the galaxy. The Imperium is concerned with the ENTIRE Galaxy.

Besides, just imagine how effective the Imperium would be without Chaos constantly trying to undermine it? No Orks, no Tyranids, no Eldar... just fighting off the various races of Star Trek. Keep in mind the caliber of enemies the Imperium NORMALLY fights.

Orks alone could probably stand a good chance at conquering the Star Trek galaxy. Especially if they looted their teleporting technology. Orks with star trek teleporters?

THAT is scary.

Haha, the first time the Federation entered the warp without the beacon to guide them, they'd all get raped and eaten by demons. Game over.

Even in the initial conflict, the UFP would be able to suicide their ships into the imperial fleet and wipe them out. A ship sized mass moving at warp 9.9 hitting one of the nice big Imperial capital ships? I think the energy released might seriously threaten the nature of space and time

Besides, if you want to use the genesis torpedo, the Imperium has its own world-destroying weapons. Even the standard issue orbital bombardment can wipe out all life on the world.

yes the genesis torpedo is awesome but I personally like the Life eater virus. Can you say exterminatus?

Basically Chaos wins...

Q = Deceiver, discuss?

Chaos would win against the Star Trek universe more likely than not, they're very poorly equipped and trained to deal with such a threat.

Chaos is more than just raving lunatics charging at you screaming "blood for the blood god!", it's a subversive, subtle thing.

just when i thought i'd seen it all on Dakka...... dang. I'd have to go with the Federation. if Imperium traveled backwards in time. You have to remember despite all the big guns of the imperium they use explosive shells and gun powders. The best weapons would be the energy weapons and the Imperiums are not that great. Even if Feds traveled into the future.... their ships do not travel in the warp. The diff between warp SPEED and warp SPACE are two different things. Feds travel faster than light, Imperium travel through deminsions. there fore the feds would run circles around the imperium as long as the dilithium held out.

Melissia wrote:Chaos would win against the Star Trek universe more likely than not, they're very poorly equipped and trained to deal with such a threat.

Chaos is more than just raving lunatics charging at you screaming "blood for the blood god!", it's a subversive, subtle thing.

Meh, chaos would just be another faction. Unlike the Imperium the UFP wouldn't care about chaos. They are just other worlds. live and let live. Besides, Kirk would party hearty depending on which chaos god was the focal point of the planet...

The Inquisiton has outposts in the eye of terror. I'd like to see the Fed take them on.

Hahaha, "live and let live" is not exactly a policy you can adopt against Chaos. I can see it now, one of the redshirts just happens to have some mild latent telepathic ability, and suddenly a bloodthirster bursts out of his face right in the middle of the starship.

I think perhaps a better way to phrase this question: could the Federation survive in the 40K universe? I think they'd be gone in a week.

Frazzled wrote:

Melissia wrote:Chaos would win against the Star Trek universe more likely than not, they're very poorly equipped and trained to deal with such a threat.

Chaos is more than just raving lunatics charging at you screaming "blood for the blood god!", it's a subversive, subtle thing.

Meh, chaos would just be another faction. Unlike the Imperium the UFP wouldn't care about chaos. They are just other worlds. live and let live. Besides, Kirk would party hearty depending on which chaos god was the focal point of the planet...

I don't think you quite understand the danger of Chaos then. Chaos can take over the minds of starship captains. Fleet admirals. Planetary governors. Entire RACES have been subverted to the will of chaos.

The ruinous powers would destroy the Federation from within, and all of the universe would be swept within a never-ending tide of blood, sorcery, plague, and slavery.

The Emperor is the most powerful psyker alive (or dead, as the case may be).

He could simply mind crush the UFP's commanders.

Actually I think if the Emperor didn't have to fight off the chaos gods, he could manifest himself again in a "mortal" body once more.