Why do a lot of people dislike the Ultramarines?

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**cormz**

The title says it all.

**statu**

Because there's too many people playing them, and the fluff for them is rediculous

**daedalus-templarius**

Because they are the only good guys in 40k.

**Nitros14**

daedalus-templarius wrote:Because they are the only good guys in 40k.

That's a lie, the Tau are pretty much the only good guys.

**oni**

Most geeks never get to have a 'rebellious phase' in life because... well, they're geeks. Hating on the Ultramarines is their chance to 'fight the system' and feel cool.

**Lexx**

Probably because a lot of people like to poke fun at the comparatively squeaky clean/most popular loyalist chapter. For me I don't hate them. I just don't find any interest in them. Iron hands however....

**oni**

Deep down non-Ultramarines player fear their sheer awesomeness and psychologically need to deface the Ultramarines to feel more equal.

**daedalus-templarius**

Nitros14 wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:Because they are the only good guys in 40k.

That's a lie, the Tau are pretty much the only good guys.

The tau whose leaders use mind-control pheromones to keep their drones in check? And by drones, I mean the regular castes of the Tau, all controlled by the etherals.

I guess them brain-washing their brethren is for the greater good, right?

I wouldn't call the Tau good guys.

**gardeth**

Didn't like em when I was a kid

Don't like em now (even if they have grown abit and carry guns).

**Kolath**

oni wrote:Deep down non-Ultramarines player fear their sheer awesomeness and psychologically need to deface the Ultramarines to feel more equal.

**DarkHound**

statu wrote:Because there's too many people playing them, and the fluff for them is rediculous

Actually, if you look at the fluff the closest thing to a major battle the Ultramarines have been in is an utterly minor part of the Second War for Armaggedon, and only because they were running from the Tyranids during the Tyranic War.

Nitros14 wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:Because they are the only good guys in 40k.
That's a lie, the Tau are pretty much the only good guys.

'Join our empire or we'll kill you and take your land. Oh and if you do join we'll make you infertile so you can't polute our gene-pool and so we can keep your population in check.' Is only marginally better than 'We'll kill you if you aren't human.' I mean, you get to live in the Tau empire, but you're still basically a slave.

**Pika_power**

Name one other race that'll be satisfied with letting you live after invasion.

Imperium: Hates Xenos, no chance.
Chaos: Sacrifice you to Khorne. (Prevents producing offspring)
Daemons: See above.
Eldar: Don't conquer any more. (Prevents producing offspring)
Dark Eldar: Will torture you for gaks and giggles. (Prevents producing offspring)
Tyrannids: Will eat you, your family and your planet. (Prevents producing offspring)
Necrons: Will harvest your souls. (Prevents producing offspring)
Orks: WAAAGH!

Tau: Stop you having kids.

**Azezel**

Because hating the Ultras is cool. that's all there is to it.

**Nitros14**

Perhaps a more accurate statement would be "The Tau are the closest thing to good guys in 40k."

The Ultramarines are excessively xenophobic and racist and don't hesitate to carry out genocide when they have to, come on.

**Beta_X**

Personally I hate ultramarines because they just look so dumb. The "standard" paint scheme makes them look like the smurfs. Playing space marines is fine but why would you play ultramarines when their are plenty of cooler chapters in terms of looks and background.

**mrwezmond**

I personally really like Ultramarines because of all the characters that are pre-made by GW. But saying that im really liking Salamanders and Imperial fist aswell, But got to agree about killing anything that aint human!!!!!!

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Or should that be super-human???

**MenOfTanith**

Cos a bunch of 12 year olds play em

**EvilEggCracker**

For me it's because of the colour scheme. Bright blue armour and bright red guns just looks ludicrous to me. I'm not a fan of Space Marines in general, but Ultramarines look the worst. I don't know what GW were thinking when they came up with that colour design.

**Brother SRM**

In all my time I have seen one Ultramarines army. I really don't get why people think they're on every battlefield. People hate them because they're the posterboy Space Marine chapter (Who would have thought having a consistent image was good for marketing? What is this heresy!?) and because it says some silly things in the more recent fluff where every chapter aspires to be as good as the Ultras.

I have no beef with them, and well painted Ultramarines can look astoundingly good.

**micahaphone**

It's because they get the most fluff and special characters, and they are generally played by people who don't want to take any effort at specializing, they are the generics of the generics.

Oh, and their color scheme (blue & gold) is the same as that of cub scouts (the lamer version of boy scouts for little kids where they don't get to do any of the cool stuff that boys scouts can)

.

**Lexx**

Brother SRM wrote:In all my time I have seen one Ultramarines army. I really don't get why people think they're on every battlefield. People hate them because they're the posterboy Space Marine chapter (Who would have thought having a consistent image was good for marketing? What is this heresy!?) and because it says some silly things in the more recent fluff where every chapter aspires to be as good as the Ultras.

I have no beef with them, and well painted Ultramarines can look astoundingly good.

I agree that a well painted ultramarines army is nice to see. But your lucky then not having to put up with hordes of them. It would be cool if GW did an actual survey of Friendly local gaming stores across parts of the world to see what kind of regional statistical quirks army-wise we have.

**MrGiggles**

For me they're just another Marine army and not one of the more popular chapters where I play at any rate.

In terms of the hate folks seem to have for them; probably a few reasons. First off, there's a pretty big concentration of media and fluff for the Ultras. You've got to figure that there are at least a few folks saying "They get all the special characters and I can't even get one for my Iron Hands?" I'm generally agree with folks who just want to use the special characters as a template and drop them into whatever chapter they play, but I'll also admit that the folks who want a broader chapter spread of characters do have some merit.

I also tend to think of them as the iconic Space Marines. It may be just me, but most of the early 40K ads and things I saw had Ultramarines on them. I also tend to agree with the 'Good Guy' feel to them. Despite this long and bloody history of theirs, the Ultras just seem to have this squeaky clean image that contrasts with the rest of 40K.

**Yak9UT**

I don't dislike them. I just get sick of lots of people having the same looking armies.

Its very dull really but I have nothing against the Ultramarines.

**karimabuseer**

Because they have alot more fluff/sc/people playing them. Also, beginners tend to turn their way. They are the BEST chapter, as has been stated many times. And I'm not biased. I never have/never will collect ultrasmurfs, and my favourite chapter are the fists. But the Ultras are the best. Tis the truth

**OoieGoie**

Buy the novel "Legends of the Space Marines". Now read the story "Consequences". You will hate them as much as me.

"What?! You didn't follow the rule boo... err, Codex Mr Super Warrior of the Ultras? You are now sentenced to death for that most unholy of holy crimes!!!!" *spits in face*

**MorbidlyObeseMonkey**

Brother SRM wrote:In all my time I have seen one Ultramarines army. I really don't get why people think they're on every battlefield.

Consider yourself lucky. I have seen probably 20 Ultramarines players, ~90% of whom were twelve-year-olds.

**sebster**

People hate Ultramarines for the same reason people complain about GW. They're the big boy, and there's geek cred to be gained from hating on the biggest kid.

If Orks were the biggest and most commonly played army, we'd see the same complaints against them. It's just a geek thing.

**DarkHound**

karimabuseer wrote:They are the BEST chapter, as has been stated many times.

How are they the best though? How have they proven themselves? They wrote a big book, and forced everyone to follow its rules because they still had their Legion at the end of the Horus Heresy.

1d4chan wrote:The Ultramarines have some of the most boring 1st founding histories for any Astartes Chapter in the Imperial history.

Circa M29: The Unification Wars. The Emperor of Mankind unites Terra, and sets off to conquer the stars in a series of violent and bloody battles. The Ultramarines’ Primarch, Roboute Guilliman (Nicknamed Rowboat Girlyman for his utter douchebaggery during the Heresy), is conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

012.M31-014.M31: The Horus Heresy. Almost half of all Space Marine legions betray the Emperor and turn to Chaos. The traitors lay siege to Holy Terra, and most of the Space marine legions suffer major losses. The Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, and White scars are forced to make a stand on Terra while the Dark Angels lose their homeworld to renegade elements within their home planet, the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard are nearly destroyed, and the Emperor is crippled while battling Horus. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs. After the Heresy, Rowboat Girlyman created the Codex Astartes as we know it today, including the separation of the 10,000 strong legions into 1,000 strong chapters. Note that the Ultramarines didn't participate in the defense of Terra, didn't sustain crippling damage to their Chapter's manpower, and note that, best of all, when they arrived they were too fething late. The war was already won, yet their primarch still was the first to create the new rules.

546.M32: 'The Beheading': The High Lords of Terra are all slain on the orders of Drakan Vangorich, Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum. The rogue Master of Assassins is tracked down and slain by a Space Marine strikeforce drawn from the Imperial Fists, Halo Brethren and Sable Swords. Only a single Space Marine survives the campaign. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

843.M35: Distress call from Grendel's World investigated. Planet discovered to have been attacked and all inhabitants slain by terror tactics of the Night Lords. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

Early M36: The Age of Apostasy and the Reign of Blood begin. Warp storms increase dramatically and Chaos and Ork attacks multiply. The Imperium falls into turmoil. An empowered Ecclesiarchy becomes more tyrannical. High Lord Goge Vandire becomes the most powerful member of the Senate of the High Lords of Terra, and manipulates a small sect, the Daughters of the Emperor(AKA: today the Sisters of Battle), into becoming his personal bodyguards, the Brides of the Emperor. Vandire rules largely unopposed and more and more bloody and tyrannical. Zhoros (Fire Hawks' world) thermal bombed. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

266.M36: Sebastian Thor is born on Dimmamar. He eventually becomes a threat to Vandire, who sends the Frateris Templar fleet to destroy Dimmamar. The fleet is completely destroyed by a warp storm, still existing today, named the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath in the Clax system. Vandire's armies are finally defeated by combined forces of the Tech Guard and several chapters of Space Marines, organized under the banner of the Confederation of Light, led by Thor. Vandire is executed by Alicia Dominica, the leader of his own bodyguards, who reclaim their old name Daughters of the Emperor in a conspiracy involving the Adeptus Custodes and the Emperor himself. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

723.M36: The 5th Black Crusade begins. Doombreed, a prince of Khorne declares war on the Adeptus Astartes. The Warhawks and the Venerators are lost. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

995.M40-000.M41 The Macharian Crusades. Lord Solar Macharius sets out to reconquer the Segmentum Pacificus for the Imperium. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

444.M41: First War for Armageddon. Chaos incursion led by Angron and World Eaters beaten back by Space Wolves and Grey Knights but only at a terrible cost. Only about a dozen of the grey knights survive the battle with Angron. The local planetary militia and the other citizens are mind-wiped, sterilized and put into work camps, to slave away for the rest of their short, miserable lives much to the horror of Logan Grimnar. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

742.M41 Damocles Crusade is launched against the Tau Empire due to the Imperium's ever growing Xenophobia, a small, strategically insignificant piece of nothingness, inhabited by weak fish people with minimal Faster-Than-Light Technology. The Ultramarines are thoroughly defeated along with the rest of the Imperial forces.

745.M41: First Tyrannic War. Hive Fleet Behemoth attacks the Ultramarines' homeworld, Macragge. Most of the chapter is eaten by Nids and lost their entire 1st company, the Chapter's company of hardened veterans and Terminators. The second fight they get and they still blew it, lulz.

901-912.M41 Badab War. The Astral Claws, Lamenters, Executioners, and Mantis Warriors chapters rebel against the Imperium, and are defeated by loyalist chapters. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

941-942.M41: Second War for Armageddon. The Ultramarines bump into an Ork Waaagh! while running away from the Tyranids. They are saved by the timely intervention of Commissar Yarrick and the Blood Angels.

988.M41: The battle of Rynn's World begins. A large ork army, led by the Warboss Snagrod attacks the Crimson Fists and their homeworld. During the battle, a stray missile strikes the Fortress-Monastery of the crimson fists, killing most of the Marines. The survivors are wounded severely and are forced to rebuild their chapter. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

757998.M41: The Third War for Armageddon begins. Having learned from past mistakes, Imperial Commanders commit a ridiculous amount of forces to hold the world. It drags on for months in a bloody stalemate, and soon Ghazghkull grows bored and leaves his generals to finish the fight while he goes looking for other worlds to conquer. Commissar Yarrick joins a Black Templars Crusade and gives chase. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

5999.M41: Warmaster Abaddon launches the 13th Black Crusade. The armies of Chaos Undivided lay siege primarily to Cadia but attack many of the surrounding worlds as well. Imperial Forces launch a massive counterattack, and eventually push back the tides of Chaos, but only just barely, and at great cost. The Space Wolves' 13th Company are amongst the forces seen fighting against the forces of chaos. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

As an additional note of interest, there stands reasonable evidence that the Ultramarines are partially responsible for unleashing the Nightbringer on the galaxy in the current age. On the planet Pavonis, it was brought to the attention of Uriel Ventris, of the 4th company of the Ultramarines, that a group of revolutionaries were digging their way straight to the Nightbringer's sarcophagus while the Dark Eldar rounded up the keys to unlock the thing. Uriel was given a choice: he could either exterminatus the planet, burying the Nightbringer, revolutionaries, and Dark Eldar all at once in a single fell swoop, or he could boost his own ego by making a balls-first attack on the excavation site with nothing but chain swords and bolters. Unfortunately for the entire galaxy, Uriel chose the latter of these options, lost the fight, and let the Nightbringer get free.

**WARBOSS TZOO**

Pika_power wrote:Name one other race that'll be satisfied with letting you live after invasion...

Tau: Stop you having kids.

You know that this is one of the definitions of genocide, right?

The Tau aren't a good race.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Their name is a lame pun.

A LAME PUN!

It's like making up an army called the Surge Protectors and then making them your poster boys.