Mmmmm the IDF gives us more future tech!

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**malfred**

Mislovrit: Well, as you know, if you force them to roll armor saves they're
bound to fail one sooner or late, right?

Right?

**Jester**

Ladies and Gentlemen, Donald Rumsfeld.

**Mislovrit**

Posted By malfred on 11/07/2006 4:03 AM
Mislovrit: Well, as you know, if you force them to roll armor saves they're
bound to fail one sooner or late, right?

Right?

For MBT and medium tanks this isn't much of a problem as the AMS is just another layer of defense for them. For ships they don't have any armor and if anything hits them they're screwed.

**Mislovrit**

Posted By Jester on 11/07/2006 7:56 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, Donald Rumsfeld.

Jester I wanted him out of office after he cancel the Crusader and for his plans to severely downsized the Military back in 2001, before Sept. 11th happened.

**Frazzled**

Yes because we need a long range SP for why? Heavy weight SP Artillery is old school. Predator drones that evolve until they are eventually sentient and take over the world-they are the new black.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Posted By Mislovrit on 11/08/2006 11:04 AM

Posted By Jester on 11/07/2006 7:56 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, Donald Rumsfeld.

Jester I wanted him out of office after he cancel the Crusader and for his plans to severely downsized the Military back in 2001, before Sept. 11th happened.

There'll be a lot of happy people today.

**Smoke3**

I think tha navy has had a system like this for decades. During the Faukland Island war between Argentina and the UK the british navy had a few ships damaged by low flying anti-naval missiles fired from below radar flying super sonic jets. I saw a video of this kind if system on a US warship years ago talking about the reasons behind the weapons development . It was a huge white dome thing with a chain-gun sticking out it. It was freaky to watch because it basiclly auto-tracked and auto-fired. I imagiane this is just a mini version of that.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Posted By Smoke3 on 11/08/2006 2:49 PM
I think tha navy has had a system like this for decades. During the Faukland Island war between Argentina and the UK the british navy had a few ships damaged by low flying anti-naval missiles fired from below radar flying super sonic jets. I saw a video of this kind if system on a US warship years ago talking about the reasons behind the weapons development . It was a huge white dome thing with a chain-gun sticking out it. It was freaky to watch because it basiclly auto-tracked and auto-fired. I imagiane this is just a mini version of that.

The US version is the AGEIS system I mentioned before.

One difference is the Ageis uses a chain gun to shoot down missles while these systems use more of a shotgun/buckshot round.

**Jester**

But buckshot that gives the illusion of something solid. I'm sure that someone is designing something that can defeat it.

**Mislovrit**

Iirc the British ships had the Phalanx CIWS removed or rendered inoperative prior to the Falkland War which doomed many of the ships that were hit.

**Mislovrit**

<h1>To clarified what AEGIS is from http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/aegis.htm

AEGIS Weapon System MK-7

Aegis, which means shield, is the Navy’s latest surface combat system. Aegis was designed and developed as a complete system, capable of engaging in simultaneous warfare on several fronts -- air, surface, subsurface, and strike. Anti-Air Warfare elements include the Radar System AN/SPY-1B/D, Command and Decision System, and Weapons Control System.

For more than 40 years, the US Navy has developed systems and tactics to protect itself from air attacks. Since the end of World War II, several generations of anti-ship missiles have emerged as the air threat to the fleet. The first combatant ship sunk by one of these missiles was an Israeli destroyer in October 1967, hit by a Soviet built missile. The threat posed by such weapons was reconfirmed in April 1988 when two Iranian surface combatants fired on US Navy ships and aircraft in the Persian Gulf. The resulting exchange of anti-ship missiles led to the destruction of an Iranian frigate and corvette by US built Harpoon missiles. Modern anti-ship missiles can be launched several hundred miles away. The attacks can be coordinated, combining air, surface and subsurface launches, so that the missiles arrive on target almost simultaneously.

The US Navy's defense against this threat has continued to rely on the strategy of defense in depth. Guns were replaced in the late fifties by the first generation of guided missiles in ships and aircraft. By the late sixties, it was recognized that reaction time, firepower, and operational availability in all environments did not match the threat. As a result, an operational requirement for an Advanced Surface Missile System (ASMS) was promulgated and a comprehensive engineering development program was initiated to meet that requirement. ASMS was re-named AEGIS (after the mythological shield of Zeus) in December 1969.

The complexity of the AEGIS combat system was such that the program demanded special management treatment, which led to the establishment of the AEGIS shipbuilding project at Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA PMS-400) in 1977. The special management treatment combined and structured hull mechanical and electrical systems, combat systems, computer programs, repair parts, personnel maintenance documentation, and tactical operation documentation into one unified organization to create the multi-mission surface combatants that are today's AEGIS cruisers and destroyers.

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