Pics of new WHFB scenery and modular gaming board...

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**fellblade**

I am slightly ambivalent about the buildings. Not because they are not great buildings, but because I can now look forward to seeing the same building over and over again, usually not very well painted. On the other hand, I am sure I will be very proud of my well-painted building models. While they are not as flexible as the Cityfight buildings, they may offer some good converting opportunities.

The walls and 'ruins' look okay. The hills are nice, but are they foam or hard plastic (like the hills in the Battle of Five Armies box). If they are hard plastic, they will be worthwhile. Foam, well, foam doesn't last, and I'd rather build my own hills for cheap than pay a premium for nice terrain that gets all dinged up after a couple of games.

The trees are something different. They put me in mind of a swamp, rather than a forest. This is a good thing, these are the first swamp-looking model trees I've ever seen.

The game board is fine for those that wants them. Perhaps in the future they will make additional boards with depressions. Rivers, streams, chasms, and so forth.

Any news on the prices? Being GW, and going by past performance, I would expect the buildings to run about 40 to 50 US$, the walls & trees to be about 20 to 25.

**Jmznudd**

Posted By Ghaz on 02/05/2007 10:01 AM
Uh, you do realize that even with the 'wavy cut' you can mix up and add as many middle edge pieces as you want and if they were to make middle pieces with 'wavy cuts' on all sides they could be assembled in any configuration that you want.

Yes I do. But if all the sides were straight, then you don't have to worry about what piece is in the middle and which one is on the end. Which goes back to my idea of adding pieces with lakes, or pits, or sand on them. You could put those pieces in the middle, or on the corners. You could make bigger tables much more easily than with wavy pieces.

Just looking at the versatility of the product.

-Jmz

**insaniak**

Posted By Jmznudd on 02/05/2007 2:03 PM
Yes I do. But if all the sides were straight, then you don't have to worry about what piece is in the middle and which one is on the end. Which goes back to my idea of adding pieces with lakes, or pits, or sand on them. You could put those pieces in the middle, or on the corners. You could make bigger tables much more easily than with wavy pieces.

And if that's what they were after, I'm sure they would have made the pieces a little more interchangeable.

I strongly suspect that their intention was simply to make a gaming board that was portable and easily stored, rather than one that was particularly customisable.

**Davian**

Hmm, if those boards are durable and reasonably priced, I might consider picking them up. I'll have to wait and see though.

**yakface**

Posted By pnweerar on 02/05/2007 6:01 AM
It would be nice to have some woods that don't look like they escaped from a train set.

Amen brother!

**Jmznudd**

Posted By insaniak on 02/05/2007 3:23 PM

And if that's what they were after, I'm sure they would have made the pieces a little more interchangeable.

I strongly suspect that their intention was simply to make a gaming board that was portable and easily stored, rather than one that was particularly customisable.

You're probably right. Kind of ironic though.... classic situation of the left hand not talking to the right hand. In White Dwarves and Black Gobbos, GW folks are always saying "convert convert convert". But the folks who made this board have made it difficult for gamers to do that. Difficult, not impossible.

Don't get me wrong, I still like the board. It's still upgradeable. I just think it could have been tweaked a little to be THAT much more functional.

-Jmz

**Stu-Rat**

Posted By syr8766 on 02/05/2007 6:52 AM
Besides, could it be cheaper than getting a Monday Night Game Mat? I can attest to their awesomeness.

Don't you have a problem with your MNGM rollingup after being stored that way for so long?

**H.B.M.C.**

I'm sorry, I must be missing something.

If you've bought this six piece thingy as you haven't got room for a table, don't you have to have a table to set it up on? And if you have a table to set it up on, why do you need the board pieces?

BYE

**malfred**

HBMC:

You can store 6 pieces easier than you can store 1 long piece. And most people,
as far as I know, don't eat dinner on top of a 4x6 table they use for wargaming.

**Osbad**

Posted By yakface on 02/05/2007 7:46 PM

Posted By pnweerar on 02/05/2007 6:01 AM
It would be nice to have some woods that don't look like they escaped from a train set.

Amen brother!

If you want realistic scenery terrain, then you can't get better than:
www.woodlandscenics.com/
And if you get them in "big bag" kit form, they aren't particularly expensive - around £2 a tree or so depending on size.

Of course "realistic" may be the same as "train set" in your view so if I've misunderstood, I apologise.

I certainly am not particularly in favour of the "bog brush" trees that GW have in stock at the minute. Some fantasy "spooky" ones will be welcome if they aren't a silly price.

**jdp**

I am very happy with the look of the new buildings, nice old world feel to them without going too over the top. The new tree also very nice the layered leaves are very nice indeed. The hills another solid score as far as I'm concerned. The table in pieces I aprove of as well, looks like it will fit just fine on my kitchen table for game nights. This with the fantsy characters coming out this summer will make my fantasy league a lot more interesting.

**deitpike**

Posted By H.B.M.C. on 02/06/2007 5:00 AM
I'm sorry, I must be missing something.

If you've bought this six piece thingy as you haven't got room for a table, don't you have to have a table to set it up on? And if you have a table to set it up on, why do you need the board pieces?

BYE

this is something I asked the guys who have seen it about
apparently, when assembled, the table is really sturdy, and can put on a small (3x3) card table with no flex, even with the armies on the table.

on a side note, love the creepy looking trees.

**Mannahnin**

Posted By deitpike on 02/06/2007 10:06 AM

Posted By H.B.M.C. on 02/06/2007 5:00 AM
I'm sorry, I must be missing something.

If you've bought this six piece thingy as you haven't got room for a table, don't you have to have a table to set it up on? And if you have a table to set it up on, why do you need the board pieces?

BYE

this is something I asked the guys who have seen it about
apparently, when assembled, the table is really sturdy, and can put on a small (3x3) card table with no flex, even with the armies on the table.

If this is true it will be fantastic, and they will sell a pile of these things. Including one to me.

**Asmodai**

Posted By Mannahnin on 02/06/2007 10:26 AM

Posted By deitpike on 02/06/2007 10:06 AM

Posted By H.B.M.C. on 02/06/2007 5:00 AM
I'm sorry, I must be missing something.

If you've bought this six piece thingy as you haven't got room for a table, don't you have to have a table to set it up on? And if you have a table to set it up on, why do you need the board pieces?

BYE

this is something I asked the guys who have seen it about
apparently, when assembled, the table is really sturdy, and can put on a small (3x3) card table with no flex, even with the armies on the table.

If this is true it will be fantastic, and they will sell a pile of these things. Including one to me.

Wow. In that case I'd definately pick one up. I have a 6x4 fold out table (two 3x2 pieces of ply-wood with a hinge). This would be far more convenient.

**syr8766**

Posted By Stu-Rat on 02/06/2007 4:30 AM

Posted By syr8766 on 02/05/2007 6:52 AM
Besides, could it be cheaper than getting a Monday Night Game Mat? I can attest to their awesomeness.
Don't you have a problem with your MNGM rollingup after being stored that way for so long?

Not especially. It's cloth, so it does lie pretty flat. I've got a buddy who keeps his out all the time on two folding tables, and once I get my basement set up (Hah!) I'll probably do the same...still nice and portable, but all laid out for necessary gamage.

**Hellfury**

Posted By deitpike on 02/06/2007 10:06 AM

Posted By H.B.M.C. on 02/06/2007 5:00 AM
I'm sorry, I must be missing something.

If you've bought this six piece thingy as you haven't got room for a table, don't you have to have a table to set it up on? And if you have a table to set it up on, why do you need the board pieces?

BYE

this is something I asked the guys who have seen it about
apparently, when assembled, the table is really sturdy, and can put on a small (3x3) card table with no flex, even with the armies on the table.

on a side note, love the creepy looking trees.

If thats true, then it might not be such a bad product afterall.

**klingsor**

Not sure on the new buildings, A bit too Warhammery for me, I refer something a little more generic and a little less covered in skulls and/or spikes. It looks as if I will be stuck making my own. I do like the saggy roof though, very authentic. I doubt if the sprues will be affordable though. I could see myself buying one of each but not more, I think the tower looks better than the house.

Walls & Fences. Not sure about these, I will wait for a better picture. They do look a bit over the top though and I do not believe sawn lumber was affordable enough for fencing until steam powered saws came along ? however it is Warhammer so there may well be Dwarven steam powered saws. The walls look OK, maybe a little too regular but you do get stone that splits like that in some areas of England.

Arcane Ruins. Not my cup of tea at all.

Trees. Oddly flat looking canopies but not bad for very weather beaten and wind shaped trunks. Good for solitary, windswept trees but not a copse.

Modular Gaming Hill. I have seen this before, it looks like a flocked version of the one I saw in Bangor (NI, not Wales or Maine) in Replay but they are in a GW bag and hang alongside GW Fortress bits that I have never seen bagged individually elsewhere either. They are their standard hard, grey, injection moulded plastic by the look of things and quite decent looking. Painted and flocked they would be a credit to any table.

Overall very interesting. The buildings are a bit of a disappointment but could have been far worse. Good for a battlefield but not for FIBUA/FISH/CQB/Mordheim.

The boards are not a bad idea as long as they are strong enough. Not for the gaming Taliban but great for more casual users or those who lack the skills to get a bit of board cut in 24 inch squares for them then painting and flocking it themselves. I suspect we will see rivers and other more interesting pieces if these sell well.

I will look forward to seeing these in reality and the accompanying advertising, sorry articles, in WD.

**Da Boss**

I probably wouldn't buy them, because they're gonna be too expensive in the end.

**Orlanth**

Trust me on this if you want building do a search on eBay every now and then for Dorf Des Grauens.

Here is a link to what you would get.

http://www.schmitt-spiele.de/museum/Ubersicht/DSA-Dorf/dsa-dorf.html

It is known in English as Village of Fear another link:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/1777

But while Village of Fear is an overpriced 'collectable' commercial failure, Dorf Des grauens had some success in Germany as it linked into the Dark Eye roleplay franchise. Which sells more than d&D in germany and has done so since the 80's.

Every now and the Dorf Des Grauens turns up on German eBay and sells for a low price (it is a very poor game after all). However it has many items that you may take interest in.

1. A windmill. With cardstock walls but a plastic mill and roof. There is a plastic monkey riding on the 'sail of the windmill - I filed him off without any problems. Is it the powder monkey? Cover the cardboard walls add a plastic Mordfheim door and its fine.

2. An Inn. With a partly burned thatched roof in plastic and cardstock walls. It has medievalesque overhanging eaves for the upper storey in plastic and a plastic inn sign. The walls here are particularly low even though the game is 28mm based, but its only the cardstock, just replace the cardboard walls before adding features to them.

3. A small Manor. This is a three storey building. With plastic roof, tower roof and windcock, and plastic storey dividers (but without an overhang). Walls are cardstock as usual, and you may wish to repalce them with other cardboard that makes each storey a little taller.

4. Several burned out buildings with plastic chimney stacks and partial rooves and cardstock walls.

5. Some intersting miniatures, the vulture in the set gave up its wings for a Pegasus. There is a good plastic 'banshee' that is very usable.

You would need to cover the walls - a simple enough task, and replace the printed windows and doors with plastic mordheim ones, but if you do that you will get three intact building and andother threre burned out ones - which are better as yiou can deploy units inside them as they have not much of a roof.

It may be a cheap game, but its a bargain basement 'Cities of Death' for Fantasy. Highly recommended for Fantasy and Mordheim.

**Orlanth**

Here we are; three copies for sale from Germany. All ridiculously cheap allowing for the prices we might have to pay for medievalesque buildings from GW.

buy it now for 25 Euro (£16.46), or you can bid on it, curent no bids 17 euro (£11.19) to start, one day to go. Someone is selling the buildings seperately.

CLICK HERE

For the cost of one of the larger GW buildings you could probably make a whole town!

**Anaxagoras**

Posted By Orlanth on 02/07/2007 3:00 PM
Trust me on this if you want building do a search on eBay every now and then for Dorf Des Grauens.

Here is a link to what you would get.

http://www.schmitt-spiele.de/museum/Ubersicht/DSA-Dorf/dsa-dorf.html

It is known in English as Village of Fear another link:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/1777

But while Village of Fear is an overpriced 'collectable' commercial failure, Dorf Des grauens had some success in Germany as it linked into the Dark Eye roleplay franchise. Which sells more than d&D in germany and has done so since the 80's.

Every now and the Dorf Des Grauens turns up on German eBay and sells for a low price (it is a very poor game after all). However it has many items that you may take interest in.

1. A windmill. With cardstock walls but a plastic mill and roof. There is a plastic monkey riding on the 'sail of the windmill - I filed him off without any problems. Is it the powder monkey? Cover the cardboard walls add a plastic Mordfheim door and its fine.

2. An Inn. With a partly burned thatched roof in plastic and cardstock walls. It has medievalesque overhanging eaves for the upper storey in plastic and a plastic inn sign. The walls here are particularly low even though the game is 28mm based, but its only the cardstock, just replace the cardboard walls before adding features to them.

3. A small Manor. This is a three storey building. With plastic roof, tower roof and windcock, and plastic storey dividers (but without an overhang). Walls are cardstock as usual, and you may wish to repalce them with other cardboard that makes each storey a little taller.

4. Several burned out buildings with plastic chimney stacks and partial rooves and cardstock walls.

5. Some intersting miniatures, the vulture in the set gave up its wings for a Pegasus. There is a good plastic 'banshee' that is very usable.

You would need to cover the walls - a simple enough task, and replace the printed windows and doors with plastic mordheim ones, but if you do that you will get three intact building and andother threre burned out ones - which are better as yiou can deploy units inside them as they have not much of a roof.

It may be a cheap game, but its a bargain basement 'Cities of Death' for Fantasy. Highly recommended for Fantasy and Mordheim.

With this kind of discerning taste, I would find it hard to trust you...Are you honestly comparing these game pieces to the GW stuff shown?

If someone wants a Ferrari, telling that person that a camry is a much better buy is not an accurate or helpful comparison.

**syr8766**

Posted By Anaxagoras on 02/08/2007 12:11 PM

Posted By Orlanth on 02/07/2007 3:00 PM
...It may be a cheap game, but its a bargain basement 'Cities of Death' for Fantasy. Highly recommended for Fantasy and Mordheim.
With this kind of discerning taste, I would find it hard to trust you...Are you honestly comparing these game pieces to the GW stuff shown?

If someone wants a Ferrari, telling that person that a camry is a much better buy is not an accurate or helpful comparison.

Oh, please gawd not with the car analogies again!

Look, the buildings--as far as we can tell from blurry shots of studio boxart--look lovely. Really. And if it's as good as the COD stuff, I might consider getting some. But please; there's plenty of good miniatures scenery out there, from the folks in Oz who do the mdf board stuff to the IMEX gothic ruins. Let's not assume that other suggestions automatically equal 'junk', shall we?

**Orlanth**

Yes I am.

I have Village of Fear and looted it for bits. I am not in any way telling you you will not have to convert the buildings. You still need Mordheim doors and windows 9or those from another manufacturer. However the roof pieces are good and paint up well, and the storey joins look good too.

Where most 'cardstock' buildings lack are with the dodgy roofing. With a decent plastic roof and simple conversions on the walls you can have buildings as good as those GW or a resin kit company will sell.

Also the GW kits are hardly Ferraris in themselves, for a start the boxsets were studio pro painted, the eBay auctions were not even assembled, let alone converted, let alone painted. Besides Ferraris dont come with 200 skull motifs as standard, want them or not.

**Toreador**

With a Ferrari, you add the skulls as you go anyway.

To each his own. I don't see much use for the Village of Fear stuff. If I have to convert I just as well build.

I like the cartoony GW stuff, looks like the drawings out of the old WHRP book. Sure to buy a couple.

**Anaxagoras**

Posted By syr8766 on 02/08/2007 12:53 PM

Posted By Anaxagoras on 02/08/2007 12:11 PM

Posted By Orlanth on 02/07/2007 3:00 PM
...It may be a cheap game, but its a bargain basement 'Cities of Death' for Fantasy. Highly recommended for Fantasy and Mordheim.
With this kind of discerning taste, I would find it hard to trust you...Are you honestly comparing these game pieces to the GW stuff shown?

If someone wants a Ferrari, telling that person that a camry is a much better buy is not an accurate or helpful comparison.

Oh, please gawd not with the car analogies again!

Look, the buildings--as far as we can tell from blurry shots of studio boxart--look lovely. Really. And if it's as good as the COD stuff, I might consider getting some. But please; there's plenty of good miniatures scenery out there, from the folks in Oz who do the mdf board stuff to the IMEX gothic ruins. Let's not assume that other suggestions automatically equal 'junk', shall we?

I didn't assume. I went to the link and saw boardgame pieces.