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I keep hearing people talk about how "most places" don't allow FW units. . . but here in Illinois, about 90% of the tournaments allow "normal" FW stuff like dreadnought variants and stuff (i.e. NOT super heavies and flyers and what not). Then, of course, there is Adepticon that allows FW and is pretty much *THE* premier GW event in the world.

Is it really the other way around everywhere else?

Im with H.B.M.C on this one, People just seem to freak when they see a cool resin model. They usually complain about "cheesy" or broken rules, these rules are not often play tested because so many people feel that if you spend a decent amount of money on a model it must be terrifying on the table. I guess I am one of the lucky few that can use forgeworld stuff at my store. thats just my two cents,
-skavenfreak

H.B.M.C. wrote:But if someone shows up with a 2000 point Imperial Guard army, and one of the Russes is a Leman Russ Executioner, is someone going to declare the whole army illegal because he didn't ask permission?

At least 90% of what FW makes is overpriced and underpowered, so nobody would care. As most events don't allow FW rules, those FW models usually simply count as their generic equivalent. So that Executioner probably counts as an alternate-pattern Leman Russ and the players move on. The Executioner player wins out beacuse he has a cool model and doesn't suffer rules-wise.

However, I'm pretty sure that there is a small amount of FW stuff that is really, really stupidly good for the points. Because most events don't allow FW, this isn't an area that has been well-explored. I have no doubt that, if FW were made legal, that these items would rise to the fore and become a problem for many gamers who would then be seen as buying their wins via FW resin. Due to the low availability and high expense of FW rules, there is also an issue with "surprising" one's opponent.

Soulmage wrote:I keep hearing people talk about how "most places" don't allow FW units. . . but here in Illinois, about 90% of the tournaments allow "normal" FW stuff like dreadnought variants and stuff (i.e. NOT super heavies and flyers and what not). Then, of course, there is Adepticon that allows FW and is pretty much *THE* premier GW event in the world.

Is it really the other way around everywhere else?

I assume that by "Illinois" you mean "Chicago." And yes, everywhere else that's not around a battle bunker or a huge group of established vets (with money to spare) probably doesn't have easy access to forgeworld rules and models. Therefore, it is alien, foreign, and something to be disgusted at.

Theres that different=scary/beardy thing again. They are still games-workshop models just to a higher quality of detail, something that modern plastic tech cant match just yet(I believe).

They're still GW models produced by GW, using GW rules.

BYE

Not really. No one doing work on 40k has any involvement, or say, in what Forgeworld does. FW is owned by GW groups, and has a liscense to make resin models for the Warhammer and 40k universes.

If a group wants to use them without permission, that's fine. But it's not something that is prevalent in the rest of the world, and saying it over and over won't change that.

FW is a part of GW. They write rules and create models for GW. Saying otherwise over and over won't change that.

BYE

Corpsman_of_Krieg wrote:I think we should consider the fact that there are a few kinds of Forge World models. The non-superheavy, non-flyer units in the Apocalypse and IA: Apoc rulebooks are, IMHO, fair and legal. If my opponent wants to field a Terminus Land Raider or a Damocles Rhino against me, then by all means he may do so with no objections from me.

Well, the Terminus isn't a FW model, of course, but I see your general gist. I wouldn't allow the IA:A version of the Damocles Rhino in regular games, though, as an Orbital Bombardment in a 1000pt game for the low, low price of 75 points is not something conductive to goodwill between gamers.

H.B.M.C. wrote:FW is a part of GW. They write rules and create models for GW. Saying otherwise over and over won't change that.

BYE

Won't change what? I agree with all your points.
FW is a part of GW. Check.
FW makes models and rules for GW. Check.
Totally in agreement.

Are all those models and rules legal for all 40k games without your opponents permission? Well, no. Says so right in the IA books.

And actually, in my little part of the world, I can change whatever I want. That's the lovely thing about me playing games in my area, and you not being here. Nothing you say matters one bit. I could care less what you do down in your area. Play however you want, but you saying "100% legal" over and over doesn't change a thing. In my area, we play my way, you can play however you want to.

I've got people playing 40k of some sort or another 5 days a week. Sometimes it's anything goes big Apocalypse games. Other times it's an escalation league with limited points and units. Some tournaments we run require totally painted and based models. The restrictions for the games change, and those restrictions can make things a lot more interesting and fun.

Saying "I can bring my FW stuff anytime, it's 100% legal, and I don't need your permission" wouldn't be fun for most people. You'd find yourself sitting on a bench rolling dice with yourself pretty quick.