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**mattyboy22**

Phoenix wrote:
I'm working on one using 3" pvc pipe, some nylon flex hose, vavling, and a detached air compressor. Should work out great. Testing it with water first and making sure I'm covered in Nomex when I do live fire it.

We aren't going to read about a maniac going on a rampage with a flamethrower in the downtown LA area are we?! Or worse "man sets self on fire imitating a giant homo-erotic space man, film at 11"

**jabbakahut**

mattyboy22 wrote:Does anyone remeber the GW foamcutter? IIRC it was $25 - $30 for something you can pick up at the local hobby shop for $5....

Good find, every foam cutter I've seen is about 20-30 bucks. And they're mostly cheap, I had to take my apart and re-wire it the first day. I did see this foam cutting table (think band-saw) which was pretty cool (but 150!)

**Janthkin**

jabbakahut wrote:
mattyboy22 wrote:Does anyone remeber the GW foamcutter? IIRC it was $25 - $30 for something you can pick up at the local hobby shop for $5....

Good find, every foam cutter I've seen is about 20-30 bucks. And they're mostly cheap, I had to take my apart and re-wire it the first day. I did see this foam cutting table (think band-saw) which was pretty cool (but 150!)

It was a very sad day when I discovered I can't get the blue or pink foam insulation in CA. I don't know why that is, but all we have is the stupid foam with tiny balls, utterly unsuited to modeling projects.

**Kilkrazy**

What do you use for fuel?

**General Hobbs**

Polonius wrote:
On a different subject, I was looking around for some fun proxie arbite/sisters models, and I was shocked at the prices for non-GW models. I don't know when it happened, but the era of GW models being way pricier then the competition is over, unless I'm totally missing something.

<chokes, spits out soda> I've been pointing this out for years! It hasn't been a recent thing.

Where's nyarlethrope now lol

**General Hobbs**

jabbakahut wrote:
mattyboy22 wrote:Does anyone remeber the GW foamcutter? IIRC it was $25 - $30 for something you can pick up at the local hobby shop for $5....

Good find, every foam cutter I've seen is about 20-30 bucks. And they're mostly cheap, I had to take my apart and re-wire it the first day. I did see this foam cutting table (think band-saw) which was pretty cool (but 150!)

check out hotwirefoamcutter.com for tools like that.

**malfred**

Polonius wrote:Well, GW sells hobby supplies for a simple reason: people buy them. Unlike with their models, I've never seen a problem, even at a GW shop, with using non-GW tools or paints. They sell them because it's convenient for some of their customers (or their customers parents/wives) and because if nothing else it shows a new gamer what kind of tools are out there.

I'd certainly never buy any of it, but at the same time we don't have to, not even to the extent we have to buy their minis.

On a different subject, I was looking around for some fun proxie arbite/sisters models, and I was shocked at the prices for non-GW models. I don't know when it happened, but the era of GW models being way pricier then the competition is over, unless I'm totally missing something.

What proxy models were you looking at?

**ShumaGorath**

Hairspray was infinitely more effective... the better the hold the better the burn.

Hairspray burnt out much too quickly, and the pressure in the cans was never very impressive. WD40 or hornet spray keep the flame much better and get a good ammount of stick on a target rather than just flashing out in the air.

**Necros**

I use GW supplies sometimes.. I will usually get their super glue. It's thicker then the zap stuff I get.. and zap is a pain cuz it's always like water and if I knock over the bottle it ends up leaking, then I get a bottle stuck to my table forever.

I tried the GF9 superglue too, seems to be the same as GW's, same bottle shape and all.

**Pariah Press**

I just use the cheap-ass "gel type" superglue from the grocery store. Works fine, and costs less than a box of saltines.

**quietus86**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm just going to quote this part:

As we are all aware, quality and customer service dominate GW business.

You can all insert your own jokes here. I don't need to; it's just too obvious, even for me.

BYE

tha costemer seport is oke were I live one's ordert the box with al de difrent paint colers and 1 had leakt out I maild it not realy thinking thay woud answer next week I got a new ink put in the coller that had leakt

**mikhaila**

From what I was told by GW today, the problem is in the piece that attatches to the can. It's currently plastic, and attatches to a metal fitting. Two or three uses and the plastic loses out to the metal, starts to let pressure seep out, or comes loose.

In the prototypes they worked with, that fitting was metal, and had no problems. So at some point the manufacturer decided to save a nickel, and now gets to take them all back and re-do them correctly.

Better now than after they sold a bunch, and they didn't work correctly.

**Stelek**

mikhaila wrote:From what I was told by GW today, the problem is in the piece that attatches to the can. It's currently plastic, and attatches to a metal fitting. Two or three uses and the plastic loses out to the metal, starts to let pressure seep out, or comes loose.

In the prototypes they worked with, that fitting was metal, and had no problems. So at some point the manufacturer decided to save a nickel, and now gets to take them all back and re-do them correctly.

Better now than after they sold a bunch, and they didn't work correctly.

I hope when I get buy one, it's still a hand flamer.

Gonna make a neat part of my halloween costume.

Just hope I don't kill myself wearing all that neoprene and ethylene...wait a minute!

Guess the flame thrower idea is out.

**Dragonforge**

Phoenix wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:BTW I once build a working flamer ot of a fridge compressor and an industrial spray gun. I had some great fun trying it out until my father found out.

I'm working on one using 3" pvc pipe, some nylon flex hose, vavling, and a detached air compressor. Should work out great. Testing it with water first and making sure I'm covered in Nomex when I do live fire it.

Heres some "Build your own flamethrower instructions"

http://mirror.linnwood.org/flamethrower/

As for Airbrushes, save your money and buy an Iwata, it will last a lifetime. A HP-C Plus is the idea modeling airbrush. Check eBay for prices and sellers.

**Lormax**

Janthkin wrote:It was a very sad day when I discovered I can't get the blue or pink foam insulation in CA. I don't know why that is, but all we have is the stupid foam with tiny balls, utterly unsuited to modeling projects.

It's because of the earthquake zoning requirements.

**Squig_herder**

that just make me mad to know that something i was about to buy and uase is being recalled, it has a place in the apinting world and yet they are recalling it

**Dragonforge**

Squig_herder wrote:that just make me mad to know that something i was about to buy and uase is being recalled, it has a place in the apinting world and yet they are recalling it

Well what will make you madder? Having it recalled and properly fixed so it wont break on you? Or buying something that will break the first few times you use it and then having to return it for a replacement.

Wait a few weeks..

Or save your money and go to a hobby shop and buy a proper airbrush that will last longer and work better.

**legoburner**

mikhaila wrote:From what I was told by GW today, the problem is in the piece that attatches to the can. It's currently plastic, and attatches to a metal fitting. Two or three uses and the plastic loses out to the metal, starts to let pressure seep out, or comes loose.

In the prototypes they worked with, that fitting was metal, and had no problems. So at some point the manufacturer decided to save a nickel, and now gets to take them all back and re-do them correctly.

Better now than after they sold a bunch, and they didn't work correctly.

I went in to my local GW today and was told the same thing. I had one on pre-order, and so I actually have it here, now. I dont feel like playing 'vent the can of propellant' though so wont try it out yet. I was told to just take it back into my local GW where they will give me a full refund.

Glad I read dakka and saw this thread before I went to use it, I dont think that would have been much fun!

**Howard A Treesong**

Squig_herder wrote:that just make me mad to know that something i was about to buy and uase is being recalled, it has a place in the apinting world and yet they are recalling it

They existed in the painting world (and cheaper) before GW made a hand-flamer shaped one.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Phoenix wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:BTW I once build a working flamer ot of a fridge compressor and an industrial spray gun. I had some great fun trying it out until my father found out.

I'm working on one using 3" pvc pipe, some nylon flex hose, vavling, and a detached air compressor. Should work out great. Testing it with water first and making sure I'm covered in Nomex when I do live fire it.

d00d won't PVC melt?

Surely you want aluminum or steel pipe, or at least a metal noozle.

**Grand Preceptor**

General Hobbs wrote:
jabbakahut wrote:Good find, every foam cutter I've seen is about 20-30 bucks. And they're mostly cheap, I had to take my apart and re-wire it the first day. I did see this foam cutting table (think band-saw) which was pretty cool (but 150!)

check out hotwirefoamcutter.com for tools like that.

Wrong URL. It's Hot Wire Foam Factory. I've got the "Hot Knife" which is basically a 10" awl- I was tired of the standard foam-cutter having that support arm that gets in the way and also prevents you from starting a cut in the center of a piece of foam.

**jmurph**

Kid_Kyoto: Depends on the fuel. But mainly yes. Gasoline will melt PVC. So will many other oil bases. Many types of nylon are also heat sensitive. That should be fun!

There is a reason that military flamethrowers were constructed mainly of metal. Also, pressure regulation and air control is super important- not enough pressure and guess what? You get a nice flaming back light.

Besides, flamethrowers are so passe. Here's what you really want for man portable pyrotechnics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M202A1_FLASH

If you want a book on private flamethrowers look out for Breath of the Dragon: Homebuilt Flamethrowers, by Ragnar Benson . But be aware that they are illegal in states like CA!

**legoburner**

I returned my spray gun yesterday and was told that they are working on getting a fixed version out ASAP. I must say that for once I am impressed with GW for not just letting a crappy product sit out there, and for taking care of it regardless of all the time, effort and resources they spent promoting it. I had no receipt as I got it from mail order but they still let me return it and the propellant at my local GW for a full cash refund which was nice too. Now to see if I can wait or end up buying a single action spray from somewhere else

**Le Grognard**

Prolly because it posed an actual danger of bodily injury with the hose detaching from the propellant; anything else would have had a FAQ video on youtube. Wish they would do that with some of these rulebooks, army books and codicies. Just finished reading through Chaos Space Marines and it hurt my brain.

**Kilkrazy**

malfred wrote:
Polonius wrote:Well, GW sells hobby supplies for a simple reason: people buy them. Unlike with their models, I've never seen a problem, even at a GW shop, with using non-GW tools or paints. They sell them because it's convenient for some of their customers (or their customers parents/wives) and because if nothing else it shows a new gamer what kind of tools are out there.

I'd certainly never buy any of it, but at the same time we don't have to, not even to the extent we have to buy their minis.

On a different subject, I was looking around for some fun proxie arbite/sisters models, and I was shocked at the prices for non-GW models. I don't know when it happened, but the era of GW models being way pricier then the competition is over, unless I'm totally missing something.

What proxy models were you looking at?

I can't say what Polonius saw. Hasslefree Miniatures are about the same price as GW. Infinity are a bit more. Pig Iron figures are cheaper. Historical miniatures generally are a lot cheaper.

It depends what you look for and how many you need.

Hasslefree and Infinity are "character" models where you only buy one of each. Compared to say Tau Pathfinders which £7 for a pack of three, and a full squad has eight, so you have to buy three packs and get one extra you don't need.

**NAVARRO**

You get a starter for infinity at nice prices also the fact its a skirmish with so few models compensates the blisters cost of 7.5 euros.
If infinity made the mistake of say... rackham of killing skirmish and going big armies battles, prices would be a bit to much.
But GW also has sweet starters and some nice priced boxed sets... its plastic and not as detailed but are more than enough for a 50 plus models game...

I think these days companies look at each others, see their range for quality level and establish closer prices... well sometimes you have some fools that outprice themselves out of the hobbie with crappy overpriced stuff.