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Collecting the feedback, here's where things sit:

== Codex: Inquisition ==

HQ
Inquisitor w/ 3..9 Retinue
. Ordo: Malleus / Hereticus / Xenos / Sicarus
+ Retinue: Stormtrooper / Servitor, Gun-Servitor, Combat Servitor, Crusader, Daemonhost, Sage/Mystic, Familiar
- Rhino, Chimera, or Land Raider

non-FOC HQ
0-1 Grey Knights Captain - units of 10 GK Marines may be taken as non-FOC Troops
- Deep Strike

0-1 Deathwatch Librarian - units of 10 DW may be taken as non-FOC Troops

Elite
0-1 Imperial Assassin - Ordo Sicarus is 0-2
- generic (PW & Inferno Pistol) or Temple: Eversor, Vindicare, Callidus, Culexus
- Infiltrate

Death Cult Assassins (1-3)
- Infiltrate

Ogryns (3..10)
+ Chimera

Grey Knights Terminators (Sgt w/ 2..4 Terminators)
- Deep Strike

Grey Knights Marines (Sgt w/ 4..9 Marines)
- Deep Strike

Deathwatch Kill Team (Sgt w/ 4..9 Veterans)
+ Drop Pod

Troops
Inquisitional Stormtroopers (5..10)
- Rhino or Razorback

Arco-Flagellants (5..10) - don't count towards compulsory Troops
- Fleet

non-FOC Troops - choose only 1 type
Inducted Guardsmen (10)
+ Chimera

Sisters of Battle (5 to 10)
+ Immolator or Rhino

Seconded Marines (5 to 10)
- Rhino or Razorback

Transport
Drop Pod

Rhino

Razorback

Chimera

Fast
Sentinels (1..3)
- Infiltrate

Battle Engines / Penitient Engines (1..3)
- Fleet

Heavy
Orbital Strike

Gun Servitors (5..10)

War Robots / Imperial Robots (1..3)
- Slow & Purposeful

Land Raider (Crusader or Redeemer)

aka_mythos wrote:While those minor ordos are interesting I don't know how they'd fit in or work... Ordo Sicarius extra assassins? Ordo Sepulturum, flamer armed containment teams? Ordo Obsuletus... who knows?

I suppose we could have a 0-1 restriction on non-Sicarus Imperial Assassins, sure. But the others, no clue.

I'd actually be loathe to do anything, as the only thing that comes to mind is Radical Sepulturm fielding a unit of Plague Zombies. And that wouldn't be right at all.

Plus, it'd put us in the situation of being obliged to create exra rules every time a GW author places a Latin word after the word "Ordo" simply because it sounds cool.

Focusing on the big 3 is enough, in the same way that Chaos ignores Malal and the other minor Chaos powers. Nothing stops a Chaos player from claiming to be following Malal, so nothing should stop an Inquisition player from claiming to be Obsueletus. That is, we won't force Inquisition players to select an Ordo.

Why are Sisters Troops but GK's and DW Marines not?

Anyone wanna ask Jonny-boy for me, since he so mature and all that the likes of me isn't aloud to grace his computer screen with my presence.

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:Why are Sisters Troops but GK's and DW Marines not?

Because GK and DW are more l33t than SoB?

Also, I was just noticing in the Inquisitor's Retinue there's an option for a Daemonhost. While I agree that the Daemonhost isn't powerful enough in its existing rules to really deserve getting it's own entry or FOC slot, I think there needs to be a note stating that if you have a Daemonhost in your Inq Retinue, you can't take GK, DW, SoB, or Seconded Marines.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
...you put a *lot* of good thought into this!...Um, you're aware that the DoW are no longer allowed in GW GTs, right? Like Chaos Dwarves, my DoW don't have an WFB6+ Army Book, so they can't be fielded...anyhow, in casual games, things are almost Apocalypse-like, so rules don't matter so much as the story.

TY and I suppose that was a bad analogy.

Happy fandexing.

Exactly. SoB are more Troops, whereas Assassins, GK, DW are more Elite. It allows me to fill out the FOC with more options in different areas, to allow the Ordos to cooperate in classic GW "one of each" fashion:

HQ
- Inquistor w/ Retinue
Elite
- Assassin
- 5 GK Termies
- 10 DW Marines
Troops
- 2x 10 Storms
- 2x 10 Arco-Flagellants
- 2x 10 SoB
Fast
- Sentinel
- Penitent Engines
Heavy
- Orbital Strike
- Gun Servitors
- Imperial Robots


WRT the Daemonhost, I think you could exclude GK, but the others might not know or care. Definitely, if those Seconded Marines were Relictors, they'd be OK with the Daemonhost.
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The biggest problem with the current DH book is that Radical DH are largely unplayable. And WH Freakshow is similarly problematic. Thinking about it, it might be enough to label a small number of units or options as Radical or Puritan and disallow the mixing of the two:
Puritan: Grey Knights, Deathwatch
Radical: Daemonhost, Daemonweapon

In that case perhaps edit the thread title from 'proper & streamlined' to 'boring & shoehorned'.

Far more accurate. I'm so glad I don't live in the DD Reality. What a grey place that must be. Actually no. Grey has too many shades - to many options for differing levels of black and white. DD Reality must just be black or white, and you can only have one or the other, never both, at the same time.

I'm done here. Why bother posting opinions and ideas for a Codex when the OP has already got it into his skull that GKs shouldn't be an army and should only be a single pathetic choice.

BYE

JohnHwangDD wrote:WRT the Daemonhost, I think you could exclude GK, but the others might not know or care. Definitely, if those Seconded Marines were Relictors, they'd be OK with the Daemonhost.
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The biggest problem with the current DH book is that Radical DH are largely unplayable. And WH Freakshow is similarly problematic. Thinking about it, it might be enough to label a small number of units or options as Radical or Puritan and disallow the mixing of the two:
Puritan: Grey Knights, Deathwatch
Radical: Daemonhost, Daemonweapon

That's a good point about the Relictors, and there's a couple other Marine Chapters I can think of off hand that wouldn't mind, but you don't think the SoB would be violently opposed to it?

And it's a very valid point that Radicals and Freakshow are currently unplayable in the current Codices. I think that having certain units that either Radicals or Puritans can or cannot use would be a very viable solution to the problem. You just need to make sure that the options are mostly balanced or else you'd once again be back to only one ever seeing the light of day.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:WRT the Daemonhost, I think you could exclude GK, but the others might not know or care. Definitely, if those Seconded Marines were Relictors, they'd be OK with the Daemonhost.

That's a good point about the Relictors, and there's a couple other Marine Chapters I can think of off hand that wouldn't mind, but you don't think the SoB would be violently opposed to it?

And it's a very valid point that Radicals and Freakshow are currently unplayable in the current Codices. I think that having certain units that either Radicals or Puritans can or cannot use would be a very viable solution to the problem. You just need to make sure that the options are mostly balanced or else you'd once again be back to only one ever seeing the light of day.

There are lots of Sisters, and they're just humans in Power Armor with Bolters. So, I think there can be Radical-tolerant Sisters, or even Radical-leaning "counts as" Sisters.
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Also, just excluding the GK and DW, that's 2 full Elites options vs a Retinue option, a Psychic Power, and a weapon option. Thinking about it, there really should be a full Elite Radical option or something that has a bit more "oomph" for what you give up.

Maybe some kind of Radical Penitent Marines blending Exorcists and Relictors as an Anti-Chamber Militant? Hmm... That has some real promise.

Blood Paladins - Radical Marines - (5..10) 35 pts each
WS4 BS4 S5 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+/5++ BP&CCW w/ JP Rending
- Daemonic Possession / whatever gives S5 & Sv5++.

Radical Retinue choices (pick 1):
- Bound Daemonhost
- Bound Psyker
- slaved Xenos (WS4 S4 T4 A2)