Would you consider this cheesy?

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**Twisted_Mister**

ShadowDeth wrote:It's a jag-off army, and I'm pretty sure your friend knows that.

t's not fit for casual play, and it's not really even fit for tournament play. If he's going to cheese out, do it correctly and take some princes, plague marines, drop the terminators and up the obliterators to 9.

For the dude up top that is obviously TFG who says everyone plays to win, I don't play to win. I really don't. I regularly suicide my units, and pull off anything that would give everyone involved a good laugh at the expense of my own army. I play bad armies knowing full well how they won't ever compete with anything remotely competently put together, just as a challenge to myself.

I've been playing strategy games since I was 8, and have played competitive tournament games for years and have placed blah blah blah in them (this part isn't important as I'm sure no one will believe me), but some of us don't play to win. I don't care if I walk off with the W. That doesn't validate my gaming experience. I've seen enough W's and L's for a life time.

I play for interesting scenarios, trying out bad units and enjoying painting and modeling. Playing to win changes one's mindset to something that is strict competition instead of a relaxing hobby, and tensing up and having to concentrate on the game full time isn't my idea of a good, relaxing hobby. I have enough stress in my life to add it into my own personal retreat from said life.

I don't know who you are, but I love you.
I play serious armies with serious people, but I play for fun 95% of the time. I don't pack up my army thinking " I will win with the list I have," I go thinking that I am going to have a good time. I often play lists that I know will lose, but I have a blast losing. It isn't all about winning, and that mentality is becoming all too pervasive these days.

**MarvinGayeIsMyDaddy**

Inigo Montoya wrote:So if exploiting nob bikers and lash isn't abusing a loophole, then taking 2 squads of 30 ork boyz and intermingling the squads so that everyone gets a cover save isn't a bad idea either?

Don't play that as a friendly list.
My 2cents

Nob bikers CAN be abusing a loophole (wound allocation). Intermixed squads granting cover saves...whether it's a bad idea or not is up to you but I think it is a loophole/oversight.

Lash is more a product of stupid game design. It seems clear that it used as it was intended. I can't say the same about nob squads that have to lose 10 wounds before removing models or intermixed squads.

Overall I don't think lash is any more of an "abuse" of rules anymore than 180 ork boyz or 45 lootas is.
I guess the better question would be:
Would I play AGAINST someone using this list? Absolutely.

Would I personally use this list? Maybe, maybe not.

**Recklessfable**

I have more of a problem with the 2 points than the 2 lashes. I'd play against this list. Heck, I use this list as long as I wasn't playing against one of my friends who plays "themed" lists exclusively.

**Augustus**

No problem at all, but you ought to find the 2 points.

**Augustus**

PS the theme in chaos was demons and random, seeing as how those are both completely stripped out of the current dex how could iut be cheesy by theme?

What theme?

**Caffran9**

Inigo Montoya wrote:So if exploiting nob bikers and lash isn't abusing a loophole, then taking 2 squads of 30 ork boyz and intermingling the squads so that everyone gets a cover save isn't a bad idea either?

Don't play that as a friendly list.
My 2cents

Nob Bikes can abuse the rules in a sense, however until there is some kind of statement from GW to clarify one way or another, its unknown if its actually a loophole. Other armies have units that are equally as capable of abusing the same rule as Nob Nikes (wound allocation rules).

Lash is nota loophole, and GWs actions in the FAQ support that completely. People can complain that its a loophole al lthey want, but GW has done nothing and said nothing that could suggest that it is actually a loophole.

OBVIOUSLY, its different strokes for different folks. For me, playing against the best armies in friendly games is a complete blast, and it is still 100% possible to have an incredibly fun game when doing this. I prefer smart play against gret players playing great lists. Just because both of those things are part of the equation, it doens't automatically mean that it will be quiet and bitter to play, nor that it will be stuffy and biting. Its a complete possibility and usually its the precise circumstance that the game is lighthearted and fun in spite of the players making sound tactical decisions and fielding very strong armies. I know that most players will probably have different opinions than mine on this front, but I like to test my ability to build armies and play them which requires playing with and against the best. Thats where I have fun.

**jamunition**

a bi eleite for friendly