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My Orks are leaning towards Kult of Speed, but my IG are staying as a gunline with lots of Russes and Bassies.

Footslogging is a slow way to die.
Mech armies are better. If you play SM or CSM, transports are cheap and resilient (thanks to cover saves and the new armor penetration table).

When it comes to guard, footslogging can still win. You can play them like a horde army. They can be especially effective in objective games. Good luck getting a squad of 40 guardsman off an objective, at the same cost as a 10 man marine squad.

You'd have to maximize heavy weapon squads if you did this and I'm not sure it's doable with no tanks.

Both.

Kasrkinlegion wrote:When it comes to guard, footslogging can still win. You can play them like a horde army. They can be especially effective in objective games. Good luck getting a squad of 40 guardsman off an objective, at the same cost as a 10 man marine squad.

You'd have to maximize heavy weapon squads if you did this and I'm not sure it's doable with no tanks.

Easy, I charge a Chaplain in, cause a few wounds, then sweeping advance them because they cannot being all their attacks to bear (iirc a max of 28 can "reach" the chaplain).
Kthnxbye 40 guardsmen.

Gwar! wrote:Easy, I charge a Chaplain in, cause a few wounds, then sweeping advance them because they cannot being all their attacks to bear (iirc a max of 28 can "reach" the chaplain).
Kthnxbye 40 guardsmen.

Commissar with a power fist and they'll last forever... Chaplain will eventually die too...

Kasrkinlegion wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Easy, I charge a Chaplain in, cause a few wounds, then sweeping advance them because they cannot being all their attacks to bear (iirc a max of 28 can "reach" the chaplain).
Kthnxbye 40 guardsmen.

Commissar with a power fist and they'll last forever... Chaplain will eventually die too...

Only commissars in command squads can have powerfists.

willydstyle wrote:

Kasrkinlegion wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Easy, I charge a Chaplain in, cause a few wounds, then sweeping advance them because they cannot being all their attacks to bear (iirc a max of 28 can "reach" the chaplain).
Kthnxbye 40 guardsmen.

Commissar with a power fist and they'll last forever... Chaplain will eventually die too...

Only commissars in command squads can have powerfists.

What he said. Also Chaplain Cassius Laughs at your power fist.

willydstyle wrote:Anti-infantry firepower has become so cheap and effective with the more recent codices that you pretty much have to go mech or die, regardless of what codex you use.

What about Nidz?

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:

willydstyle wrote:Anti-infantry firepower has become so cheap and effective with the more recent codices that you pretty much have to go mech or die, regardless of what codex you use.

What about Nidz?

G

They get to go:

Gojira

Green Blow Fly wrote:

willydstyle wrote:Anti-infantry firepower has become so cheap and effective with the more recent codices that you pretty much have to go mech or die, regardless of what codex you use.

What about Nidz?

G

Well, there's a reason you don't see them doing well in tournaments anymore.

Terrain is also an important consideration. In cities of death, you may not be able to move mech armies around easily, making any movement advantage they had null. May as well take hordes in that instance. On the other hand, if you are playing on a board with little/no terrain, mech armies can use the transports to get troops into assault/firing range quicker.

Even so, I have typically seen horde armies faring better in recent games. GW planned? Maybe...

Danny Internets wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:

willydstyle wrote:Anti-infantry firepower has become so cheap and effective with the more recent codices that you pretty much have to go mech or die, regardless of what codex you use.

What about Nidz?

G

Well, there's a reason you don't see them doing well in tournaments anymore.

Yes, there was a second option in my statement

Does everyone ignore me just as standard now?

I said GOJIRA!!!!!!!!!!

You don't let nids get into cc with your 50 man squads... that's just silly...

Power Sword would work almost as well and throwing the command unit into the fray with a power fisted commissar along side your 50 man squad would be just as effective...

Gwar! wrote:Does everyone ignore me just as standard now?

I said GOJIRA!!!!!!!!!!

I pay attention to you, Gwar. Bog knows why.

GOJIRA would make nidz cheap. But he's only super-effective against japanese buildings.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Terrain is also an important consideration. In cities of death, you may not be able to move mech armies around easily, making any movement advantage they had null. May as well take hordes in that instance. On the other hand, if you are playing on a board with little/no terrain, mech armies can use the transports to get troops into assault/firing range quicker.

Definitely- terrain is a big consideration. Terrain limits effective corridors for transports to advance through (By effective, I mean clear terrain- nothing impassible or dangerous), excluding of course skimmers. Tread-heavy mechanized troops can get bottle necked if they only have one or two real passes to get to the enemy, but can blitzkrieg an army to smithereens if there is plenty of room to maneuver.
Of course, in Cities of Death, everything goes out the window and you're better off with static fire platform IFVs, rather than sweeping APCs.

Terrain is also an important consideration. In cities of death, you may not be able to move mech armies around easily, making any movement advantage they had null. May as well take hordes in that instance. On the other hand, if you are playing on a board with little/no terrain, mech armies can use the transports to get troops into assault/firing range quicker.

Even so, I have typically seen horde armies faring better in recent games. GW planned? Maybe...

The best mech armies, (read here as Tau or Eldar) get ridiculously good in Cities of death. You have no idea how much of a pain JSJ becomes in a city fight, they just hid behind a wall that you can't go directly through and jump over shoot, jump back. Also their skimmers allow them to become even more mobile in comparison to your own army. To add insult to injury the Tau vehicles can buy sensor spines and not even have to take dangerous terrain tests so they can get their cover saves too... Sneaky gits.

That and dropping a load of Firewarrior on top of a building where you can't get at them in assault is always a great tactic.

Does anyone even play Cities of Death any more? Did anyone ever really play it?

I thought it didn't work with 5e...

Well most armies have a huge weapon locker full of stuff that will kill off footslogging infantry, while some armies are very limited in terms of anti-vehicle weaponry. There is about 3 or 4 anti-infantry weapons for every anti-tank one it seems. And those anti-infantry are usually amazing at their jobs where the anti-tank ones are at best are AP1, melta, and/or lance.

Some armies are better than others in this field but with the cheapness of new transports, why wouldn't you bring em? And even if are opponent has the guns, it takes 3 good rolls to break a vehicle (To Hit, To Pen, Result) so luck is a bit more on your side and with the right upgrades available you can put that favor more into your side.

Fleeting beast charge ranges make nids horrible aslong you you add a couple of flyrants. Either run away from either, save you a turn, cost you a turn of h.wep & 24" rapid fire; shoot at one, get charged by the other or just get unlucky with movement & get charged by the hormagaunts & finished off by the flyrants. - This is with blob guard in mind here.. one of the weaknesses im worried about & why I may un-blob a feeder 10man squad. Mech-types, read below..

Vehicle hulls extend the range of the charge-threat. If thier inside the threat range, you basically concede a further 6" of shooty space. Vehicle squadrens with rear AV10 - Cant wait till a squad like scorpains, hormagaunts or charging orks have a go at a squad of three russes, scoring treble thier points in one assault.