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The way I see it there are many possibilities:
1. The golden throne fails and the emperor not being able to fight daemons anymore, chaos will consume the galaxy, everybody will die including chaos as there will be no more souls to sustain them.
2. Just as the golden throne fails the emperor is reborn and humans kick ass.
3. 'nids eat everything.
4. Tau carve out a huge empire and become dominant.
5. Huge imperial civil war.
6. All necrons arise arise at once and start a huge harvest.
7. Various mixtures of the above (my guess)
Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:All I can say is... thank you vodo40k...
Zweischneid wrote:No way man. A Space Marine in itself is scary. But a Marine WITHOUT helmet wears at least 3-times as much plot-armour as a Marine with helmet. And heaven forbid if the Marine would also happen to have an intimidating looking, vertical scar. Then you're surly boned. Those guys are the worst. Not a chance I'd say.
Why can't humanity just move to another galaxy? On the other hand if the nids eat everything in the known galaxy they might go extinct unless they have some advance technolgy. Chaos will never die because they have the whole universe if humanity die out they'll just go somewhere else.
I think it will probably come down to the Necrons and the Tyranids, with the Necrons being the eventual winner.
The Tyranids are huge, organized and no diplomatic solution can be rationalized. Almost every fight they win will only make them stronger. In the face of such an enemy, the fractured forces of the other races will eventually be destroyed.
Except...
The Necrons. The size of the necron forces has never really been told, though we can assume it to be massive given that there are untold numbers of tomb worlds housing tens of thousands of maybe millions of Necrons. The necrons have an almost limitless supply of troops given their ability to self-repair coupled with thier teleportation technology. On top of that, they seem to have a command and control network capable or uniting all the other tomb worlds, which they would need to fight the Tyranids.
They also have the pariah effect, which is probably their greatest weapon in their war against the hive mind. Also, keep in mind that the necrons have no known biomass sources so the Tyranids will probably not be able to win a war of attrition in their normal way.
They will be...terminated.
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tigonesskay wrote:Why can't humanity just move to another galaxy? On the other hand if the nids eat everything in the known galaxy they might go extinct unless they have some advance technolgy. Chaos will never die because they have the whole universe if humanity die out they'll just go somewhere else.
Well actually that is wrong. The chaos gods rely heavily on human worship. If the human race were to die the gods worship would halt considerably. Search Cabal on lexicanum and tell me I'm wrong.And the tyranids just hibernate till they get to a new galaxy.
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Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
@RxGhost: I think you are vastly overestimateing the amount functional tomb worlds left. Many, if not most, have fallen into disrepair and a lot more have been lost completley. You are certainly right about the war of attrition. Killing the Necrons would take a lot out of the Tyranids, but I think through sheer numbers they could do it.
@deadratman: Hibernation is not going to allow the fleet to live forever. Eventually, they would resort to cannabilism (on a greater scale then now) and they can only feed off themselves for so long.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
vodo40k wrote:4. Tau carve out a huge empire and become dominant.
The only reason tau are a threat is that the Imperium can't devote many resources to fighting them. Priorities first.
Manchu wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Basically, that means Tau are annoying. Hardly a threat.
No, they ARE a threat, but only because the Imperium can't bring too many recources to fight them.
Manchu wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
I'm sure that in one of the books, it is stated that the Golden Throne is actually stopping the Emperor from an even grander battel with Chaos as it is trapping him in his smei-mortal form.
It is only when he is free that he will be able to take the war to the Chaos gods themselves.
Although I think the nids will win... they have the will and an entire galaxy/universe of resources with which to use.
Who knows how many galaxies they have already eaten and how many hive fleets there are? And what about the possibility of super and mega fleets that make what we have seen so far look like the toe nail clipping of a hive tyrant?
Emperors Faithful wrote:@RxGhost: I think you are vastly overestimateing the amount functional tomb worlds left. Many, if not most, have fallen into disrepair and a lot more have been lost completley. You are certainly right about the war of attrition. Killing the Necrons would take a lot out of the Tyranids, but I think through sheer numbers they could do it.
@deadratman: Hibernation is not going to allow the fleet to live forever. Eventually, they would resort to cannabilism (on a greater scale then now) and they can only feed off themselves for so long.
Well technically the tyranids did hibernate. They migrated from another galaxy. But you are right on the cannibalism.The norn queens will keep on absorbing creatures and will just re-reproduce to maintain the hive ships.
Yes but the whole greatness of the tyranids is that they can sustain themselves as they travel across the dark void of space by reabsorbing. Check it out on lexicanum
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
But you HAVE to admit that if the Tyranids didn't get to another galaxy in time (say they get lost in a gap between galaxies or sumfink) then eventually they would starve out completely.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
my vote oes to some epic gak with the Tyranids, Dark Eldar , and Chaos.
versus
Eldar, Tau, Imperium
greenskins will never go away of course. necrons will attempt to reharvest the galaxy, the emperor's golden throne will turn into some crazy titan and battle the C'tan. he'll serve up a beating to the deceiver and the nightbringer just like he did to the dragon C'tan.
actually wait.....GW will never let W40k die....
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WaterboyBHS wrote:
greenskins will never go away of course. necrons will attempt to reharvest the galaxy, the emperor's golden throne will turn into some crazy titan and battle the C'tan. he'll serve up a beating to the deceiver and the nightbringer just like he did to the dragon C'tan.
So are you saying that the Emperor's golden throne is a Transformer?
Manchu wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
Emperors Faithful wrote:But you HAVE to admit that if the Tyranids didn't get to another galaxy in time (say they get lost in a gap between galaxies or sumfink) then eventually they would starve out completely.
Yes but you are forgetting that the tyranids dont travel all at the same time. They send them out in waves and tendrils to make sure that there is food. That is why the tyrannic wars were like a hundred years apart.
The Imperium will make some weapon that is so devastating that when set off, it creates a rip in reality so powerful that the entire known universe collapses in on its self.
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
@deadratman: What? No, it would take more than a hundred years to move through a gap in space. Also, the whole Hive Mind is lurking just outside the edges of the galaxy, sending in waves to test the strength of RESISTANCE, not in another different galaxy waiting for news of whether there is a galaxy or not.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
But then how do you explain the migration of the tyranids. They did come from another galaxy because they ran out of food. It would take thousands if not millions of light years to get from one galaxy to the other and yet the tyranids are still a very powerful threat.
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
Yes, so they must of been absolutley GARGANTUAN when they were finished with the old galaxy, and have been a little trimmed after their long trip. That is why, if the 'nids were cast back into the void, they would eventually starve out (or become a far more hadleable threat to the next galaxy.)
As it is, after the long trip between galaxies, the 'nids must be starving.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
Humans are reduced in numbers drastically, at the brink of extinction the evolution is complete and the first full control psyker is born (or reborn because he is the god emporor).
The Eldar who are down to their last thousands realize that their time in this universe has long past and that the very purpose the Old ones created them for has yet to be accomplished, and so in a psy nova sized blast destroy the last C'tan and similar suicidal attacks remove tomb worlds and the last of the once thriving race.
The Space Marines who have been unable to do anything about the recent Tyranid-Ork clash decide to do a complete (thats the entire 1 million marines) attack on the hive fleets to stop the Nids from absorbing the ork biomass that increases exponentially with the neverending Waaagh, knowing deep down that they will succeed at the ultimate cost, not doubting it for it is their duty to the emperor and the human race.
IF the Tyranids wiped out all life and were forced to cannibalism, they would only last but so long. Due to the nature of science, a perfectly efficient system that doesn't loose energy in any form is impossible to attain.
Please consider the following:
Due to the nature of Tyranid development, the Tyranid population is kept in check only by availability of resources. We can essentially compare the Tyranid to a simple slime mold. By nature, slime molds are motile colonial fungi, essentially meaning it's a bunch of little cells that can live independently but act as one entity. The colony will grow rapidly unless it encounters limiting factors, such as interspecies competition, disease, weather, and so on. In addition, slime molds are decomposers that use the matter and energy from dead/dieing matter, which is comparable to how Tyranids use biomatter to create new spawn.
If you put a slime mold in a petri-dish with x-amount of organic matter, the mold will eventually run out of resources even as the mold decomposes its old, dead parts. The system will suffer from entropy over time, as there is nothing to re-introduce energy into the system. The metabolic processes will always produce or require energy, in which a certain amount is always lost to heat. Over time, the amount of energy in the system will dwindle as the colony/hive eats up everything in sight, produces significant waste, and looses most energy through heat as time goes by.
The principle of entropy still applies in hibernation for the Tyranids, because it will still take energy and resources to maintain individuals in dormancy (because these individuals undoubtedly still have a metabolism of some sort). Essentially, the ravenous nature of the Tyranids could cause it to peter out after it hypothetically takes over galaxy/universe/whatever.
Hopefully that cleaned up a loose end or two from the Tyranid debate?
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