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yeah, but they kill each other off. A LOT.
And what would YOU know about humans not being prolific?

Also, DON'T get started on multiple galaxies.

Manchu wrote:
Ah yes, the infamous "Gork and Mork are undefeatable" strategy. Tell that to their prophet, Gazhgkull Mag Uruk Thraka. If you can catch up to him, that is, as he runs as fast as he can away from Yarrick.

He is not running away he is just following basic ork philosophy!
Again i quote this

" Orkses is never beaten in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die so it don't count as beat. If we runs for it we don't die neither, so we can always come back for anuvver go, see!"

Emperors Faithful wrote:Also, DON'T get started on multiple galaxies.

Unnecessary. We're not talking of absolute genocide here. If the Imperium had no other threat to face, it could easily push the Orks outside of its furthest territories--which are limited to less than the breadth of the Milky Way thanks to the Astronomicon.


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ChaoticOrkz wrote:" Orkses is never beaten in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die so it don't count as beat. If we runes for it we don't die neither, so we can always come back for anuvver go, see!"

Orks are never beaten in battle, from their own perspective, because they are too dim-witted to understand the meaning of defeat. It may be their greatest strength. I think, however, it is symptomatic of their greatest weakness: the short-sightedness and divisive infighting characteristic of this inferior race.

ChaoticOrkz wrote:
" Orkses is never beaten in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die so it don't count as beat. If we runes for it we don't die neither, so we can always come back for anuvver go, see!"

That would mean EVRYONES winz. If an ork killed a marine, smashed his skull open and DEFECATED on him. The Space Marine still wins...
All that proves are that orks are both optimistic AND DUMB.

Hundreds of trillions orks, most of them bigger then nobz and those are the weak ones, nothing could stop them in a fair fight, at the end of the 41st milliumen there is only Orks and Nids.

Emperors Faithful wrote:yeah, but they kill each other off. A LOT.
And what would YOU know about humans not being prolific?

Also, DON'T get started on multiple galaxies.

Did you just completely ignore what i said?
Orks have been fighting, dying and releasing spores for longer than humans have actually EXSISTED.
Each ork releases hundreds of spores and each spore is likely to become another ork, these spores can travel from world to world and even system to system unaided before finally landing and taking root.
Orks mature at a quicker rate than humans, spending a couple of years growing in the sporepod thing underground before climbing out and instantly being able to emit spores.

Humans have been around for less time than orks.
You need 2 humans to copulate, a process that takes 9 months and normally only creates one new human.
Humans are not ready to reproduce until they are about 13 at least.

Now LOGICALLY which would be more prolific?

...DON'T BRING IN OTHER RACES!!! GAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!

Whaddya mean, most orks bigger than nobz? Also, where are you getting the figures of HUNDREDS of TRILLIONS. This is like a a hundred imperiums added together. NO WAY!

Xav wrote:Hundreds of trillions orks, most of them bigger then nobz and those are the weak ones, nothing could stop them in a fair fight, at the end of the 41st milliumen there is only Orks and Nids.

The Imperium does not fight "fairly." It is fights not only for the survival but for the continued and indeed endless dominance of humanity over the galaxy. And it acknowledges no sacrifice too great to accomplish this. In some ways, humans and Orks are very similar. But Orks are not bound up together by the great destiny and faith of Humanity.

This pretty much sums up the whole debate.

"oomans are pink and soft, not tough and green like da boyz, They'z al the same size too-no big 'uns or little 'uns, so they'z always arguing about who's in charge, 'cos there's no way of telling 'cept fer badges an' ooniforms and fings. Anuvver fing when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to cunfuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me, or I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good. Da funn fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. wot a lot of mukkin' about if yer asks me. An' while they'z all arguin' wiv each other over who's da boss, da orks can sneak up an' clobber da lot."

corpsesarefun wrote:Now LOGICALLY which would be more prolific?

Again, it doesn't matter. Orks are just as likely to fight one another as they are to fight the Imperium. All these years that they have existed and humans have not, they have not managed to accomplish much.

Yep, no unification. You get ALL the orks in ONE place (getting ready for the big showdown)and the imperium will likely find itself with very little to do.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Yep, no unification. You get ALL the orks in ONE place (getting ready for the big showdown)and the imperium will likely find itself with very little to do.

That is actually the ideal situation for the Imperium. +++LAUNCH VIRUS BOMBS+++

Manchu wrote:

Xav wrote:Hundreds of trillions orks, most of them bigger then nobz and those are the weak ones, nothing could stop them in a fair fight, at the end of the 41st milliumen there is only Orks and Nids.

The Imperium does not fight "fairly." It is fights not only for the survival but for the continued and indeed endless dominance of humanity over the galaxy. And it acknowledges no sacrifice too great to accomplish this. In some ways, humans and Orks are very similar. But Orks are not bound up together by the great destiny and faith of Humanity.

That wasnt my point, my point is that there are alot more orks than humans.

However xav is right, in a war to end all wars situation between orks and the imperium all surviving orks would be at least nob level in power, they grow through combat and the bigger the war the more they grow.

lol, you wouldn't even need to do that. Just get some camera, film it, and you would have the best Imperial Reality Tv Show. "Orks Trying to Get Along". lol, the best comedy EVA!!!

corpsesarefun wrote:However xav is right, in a war to end all wars situation between orks and the imperium all surviving orks would be at least nob level in power, they grow through combat and the bigger the war the more they grow.

Size of individuals does not matter when you prosecute wars with massively destructive weapons from orbit.

In earlier post it said theres a place in space where there trillions of orks the smallest being the size of Nobs.
The orkz have been around for like twice as long as Imperium. The orks can create thousands of Offspring, whic then creats thousands more offspring and so on.

Xav wrote:In earlier post it said theres a place in space where there trillions of orks the smallest being the size of Nobs.
The orkz have been around for like twice as long as Imperium. The orks can create thousands of Offspring, whic then creats thousands more offspring and so on.

Actually, I think I recall a "place in space" where humans naturally grow to the size of spave marines and have bolt guns for arms, and could snap Ghazgulls neck with a glare.

Xav wrote:In earlier post it said theres a place in space where there trillions of orks the smallest being the size of Nobs.
The orkz have been around for like twice as long as Imperium. The orks can create thousands of Offspring, whic then creats thousands more offspring and so on.

As I said already, it's of no concern. The Orks, in their long racial lifespan, have not managed to accomplish anything of lasting value while Humanity in its relative nascence has conquered and re-conquered the galaxy. Numbers will not be determinative in the fight we're talking about.

...well, they kind of help...sort of...

Who said Orks can't conquer!?!?!

quoting my homie orkie Warlord Ghazghkull

"I 'membered dat Orks is meant to conquer and make slaves of everyfing they don't kill"

And yet, after so long . . . nothing.

The orkz have there own fleets and they are cunning.


So the Imperium wouldnt meet them on a fair battlefield, well wasnt that the OP question?

1v1 Fair fight who would win, clear answer Orkz.

Unfair battleground the Orkz aint united they will keep on raiding and building in numbers into they conquer deeper and deeper into Imperium worlds into reaching Terra.

They would be driven off but remeber if Ork have a good fight there.

They keep coming back to good fighting places, terra defended by thousand of SM, the Orkz would love it.

What exactly HAS Ghazghkull conquered so far?
(And remember, as far as orks go, he is "divinely inspired")


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I have yet to see how orks would win in a face up, fair fight, battle.

He did a lot. But none of it lasted for long. That is the story of Orks. They are excellent fighters. But they were made as a tool to be wielded by the Old Ones, not to rule themselves.

Or others.

Orks = Tools...LOL!

Manchu wrote:

Xav wrote:In earlier post it said theres a place in space where there trillions of orks the smallest being the size of Nobs.
The orkz have been around for like twice as long as Imperium. The orks can create thousands of Offspring, whic then creats thousands more offspring and so on.

As I said already, it's of no concern. The Orks, in their long racial lifespan, have not managed to accomplish anything of lasting value while Humanity in its relative nascence has conquered and re-conquered the galaxy. Numbers will not be determinative in the fight we're talking about.

ChaoticOrkz wrote:since i love quoting things from mi codex!

" Attempts to penetrate the so-called Ork enclaves of Gathrog and Dregruk in the southern regions of the Segmentum have proved unsuccessful. The orks have dominated these areas unchecked since before the founding of the Imperium and it is, quite unreasonably, surmised that within an area of only a few light years there are tens of millions of the creatures. It is possible that in such conditions the Orks' physical proportions are even more pronounced, with whole planetary populations the size of the sub-type known to our warriors as 'skarboys'. When one considers the size of the 'nobz' and 'warbosses' of even relatively small ork armies, one shudders to think of the monstrous creatures that must dominate these cultures. Should ever s uch a monster be filled with a desire for conquest, it is a matter of much debate whther any military means at our disposal could stop them."- Magos Bioligis Rastex

just an excerpt from his "Growth patterns of Orks in variant societies"

If Humanity has conquered and Re-conquered the galaxy then how come their are places of the galaxy that they have unsuccesfully penetrated(haha sorry had to laugh) and Know nothing of. so you can't say that they have conquered and reconquered the galaxy

First of all the orks would fight between each other and kill lots of orks. And then you have trillions of guard, billions of tanks, a million space marines, sob's, inquisitors, daemonhunters, grey knights and the ad mech.

But the amount of Orkz would eventually force them to conquer outwards and eventually reach Terra, the raiding Orkz would get destroyed but Orkz go where there a good fight Terra would be a good fight, trillians of Orkz rushing to Terra.

You have to understand the growth of the Orkz give ten thousand years and there be way to many to comprehend.

ChaoticOrkz wrote:If Humanity has conquered and Re-conquered the galaxy then how come their are places of the galaxy that they have unsuccesfully penetrated(haha sorry had to laugh) and no nothing of. so you can't say that they have conquered and reconquered the galaxy

I think it's rather laughable to consider Humanity's conquest of the galaxy precluded by the existence of two Ork enclaves.

jack1995 wrote:First of all the orks would fight between each other and kill lots of orks. And then you have trillions of guard, billions of tanks, a million space marines, sob's, inquisitors, daemonhunters, grey knights and the ad mech.

*smug look*
Yep. That pretty much sums it up. Good night ya'll!