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This just in, Battleforge Games was


1) Orks
2) Mech Chaos
3) Guard

Thanks filling me in.I hated to leave like i did but i had to get to work real early sunday and had to drive 3 hours to get home.Good luck to all the finalists and maybe next year(stupid Deff Koptas!!!)

Provo, Utah

1st : Mechdar
2nd : Hybrid Tau (me)
3rd : Calgar Marines

asugradinwa wrote:And the big thread gets locked.

saw that to, so I guess Im tracking again!

Sha1emade wrote:Bellvue, Nebraska

1. Balanced Guard (Me)

Nicely done!

What kind of list stands for balanced guard in your case?

Culler wrote:Pet Shop Comics, Louisville, KY
1. Orks (horde + battlewagons)
2. Orks (30 meganobz and lots of battlewagons)
3. Orks (horde + nob bikers) (me)

Actually the Orks (30 meganobz and lots of battlewagons) got first 67pts, He beat me in the last round.
He called himself Tarzan for some reason? Though about asking why but forgot to.

Balanced guard the way I see it is not devoting to a style. Not a gun line, army has lots of movement. Not mec vet, as I have a platoon footshlogging it. Have a good sized out flank force but not excessive. Have a good core of tanks, but not the only thing. Basically 3 separate elements, tanks, footslogging and out flanking element. It just does not fit into any of the other dakka type lists. Close on a few but elements of all of the popular lists.

Da Big WAAAGH! wrote:
Actually the Orks (30 meganobz and lots of battlewagons) got first 67pts, He beat me in the last round.
He called himself Tarzan for some reason? Though about asking why but forgot to.

maybe because hes a Cheeta.....

Lol, no that's just his nickname. Not sure as well why they call him that. He's a cool guy though.

Anyone Know what happened at Borderlands SC?

The Ork count is a little off. Should be 6 through Provo, Utah finishing in the top 3.

Culler wrote:The Ork count is a little off. Should be 6 through Provo, Utah finishing in the top 3.

corrected, thanks for catching that. It was probably just wishful thinking on my part

extrenm(54) wrote:Anyone Know what happened at Borderlands SC?

As far as I'm aware, Borderlands didn't host a semi-final this year. They weren't listed on the website, and everyone I remember from there last year was at Phoenix Games in GA.

Malecus wrote:

extrenm(54) wrote:Anyone Know what happened at Borderlands SC?

As far as I'm aware, Borderlands didn't host a semi-final this year. They weren't listed on the website, and everyone I remember from there last year was at Phoenix Games in GA.

Yup, that's correct. No love for Stan this year!

Commissar Molotov wrote:

Malecus wrote:

extrenm(54) wrote:Anyone Know what happened at Borderlands SC?

As far as I'm aware, Borderlands didn't host a semi-final this year. They weren't listed on the website, and everyone I remember from there last year was at Phoenix Games in GA.

Yup, that's correct. No love for Stan this year!

Interesting. I know they hosted one last year, so I thought they would host one again. Guess not.

Perhaps they're trying to "spread it around" to different venues this year? I really don't know whether Stan didn't want to host it (doubtful) or whether they just didn't ask him...

Sha1emade wrote:Bellvue, Nebraska

1. Balanced Guard (Me)
2. Duel Lash CSM
3. Mech Guard

Well, technically my Space Marines got third

Yup. And you were about 2 inches from being in first place. Wish you had not been the ringer and were coming to chi with us. EVERY ONE MUST fear the ringer!!!!!!! Space Sharks 09 beeatches!!

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Lol, no that's just his nickname. Not sure as well why they call him that. He's a cool guy though.

Lol, yeah he's was a very honest player. I had no problems with him.

Sha1emade wrote:Yup. And you were about 2 inches from being in first place. Wish you had not been the ringer and were coming to chi with us. EVERY ONE MUST fear the ringer!!!!!!! Space Sharks 09 beeatches!!

I may not have an invite, but I'll probably be going with you guys anyways! If nothing else I can ruthlessly mock your opponents' lack of skills and throw the game for you

I think that would be for the best...

So what's happened here? Orks were top tier, so I heard long ago, yet CSM leads with a considerable margin followed by SM? What happens to the game at 2500 points that makes it change so?

Is it the versatility of SM/CSM? It makes sense that in larger games, armies like Eldar that depend on certain units fulfilling certain roles can be picked apart by target priority and left hanging, but is that why?

Lash spam is a great army. First you have double lash... Lash pretty much has unlimited range practically speaking -> 12" deployment minimum + 12" move + 24" range; so the princes can reach completely across the short length of the table unless your opponent deploys in the far corner, which is typically not the case since missions always seem to have objectives.

At 2500 points the lash player can afford to take 6-9 Oblits plus plenty of great troop choices (Plague Marines & Berzerkers). They can design their entire army to be mechanized except for the lash princes and Oblits. The lash players can put more shooting into the army with landraiders, predators, vindicators and Noise Marines.

So typically lash armies will have the most scoring units plus the army is solid all around. Great at movement, shooting and close combat. It's a tough combination. What will be very interesting is to see how lash spam versus lash spam matches turn out. Will these matches tend in end as draws? I think so since the players that have made it this far are all pretty darn good and the armies will most likely tend to be carbon copies for the most part.

SM = Vulkan SM for the most part. These are easy armies to play, they can shoot well and thunder termies are a really tough nut to crack for anyone except C'tan.

I see mechdar as the dark horse. At first I thought these armies are not viable but I was dead wrong. I could easily see mechdar winning it all. Their skimmer tanks are still rock hard, very mobile and very shooty.

G

Did Any Necrons get through to the finals?

Green Blow Fly wrote:Lash spam is a great army. First you have double lash... Lash pretty much has unlimited range practically speaking -> 12" deployment minimum + 12" move + 24" range; so the princes can reach completely across the short length of the table unless your opponent deploys in the far corner, which is typically not the case since missions always seem to have objectives.

At 2500 points the lash player can afford to take 6-9 Oblits plus plenty of great troop choices (Plague Marines & Berzerkers). They can design their entire army to be mechanized except for the lash princes and Oblits. The lash players can put more shooting into the army with landraiders, predators, vindicators and Noise Marines.

So typically lash armies will have the most scoring units plus the army is solid all around. Great at movement, shooting and close combat. It's a tough combination. What will be very interesting is to see how lash spam versus lash spam matches turn out. Will these matches tend in end as draws? I think so since the players that have made it this far are all pretty darn good and the armies will most likely tend to be carbon copies for the most part.

SM = Vulkan SM for the most part. These are easy armies to play, they can shoot well and thunder termies are a really tough nut to crack for anyone except C'tan.

I see mechdar as the dark horse. At first I thought these armies are not viable but I was dead wrong. I could easily see mechdar winning it all. Their skimmer tanks are still rock hard, very mobile and very shooty.

G

I dont think any of that matters.. It will ALl come down to how GW messes up the tournament for the third year in a row :p Last year was a totally illegitimate victory (Im not even getting into the rule questions, but merely the slashing of an hour of game time from the final round).. and year 1 had insanely unfair missions.. Yes, ive been in the finals all 3 years so I know what its like

My mechdar has done amazingly well so far scoring 1st place in both rounds, but we'll see.. My army can take on chaos just fine, but vulkan marines is difficult if they take psychic hood and lots of terms.. its all about matchups

Ive always said it's all about matchups. You just have to deal with the format the best you can. The thing is matchups are a function of how one type of army performs against another. You know there will be a lot of lash spam this year... it's more popular than ever. So far no one has had any issues with the missions and I think that most likely it won't be an issue at the finals. I respect your experience but things change from year to year.

G

The missions last year were fine too and GW found a way to ruin the results due to the last round.. We'll see

I am planning to use dark Jedi mind tricks again.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:What will be very interesting is to see how lash spam versus lash spam matches turn out. Will these matches tend in end as draws? I think so since the players that have made it this far are all pretty darn good and the armies will most likely tend to be carbon copies for the most part.

Hasn't been my experience so far. I play dual lash and I've run up against some other good dual lash players and none were draws. It typically goes like this:
- Mech lash beats non-mech lash
- In mech lash vs. mech lash, the one with more sorc's wins
- In mech lash vs. mech lash with same type of lashers, whoever pops transports fastest will take it.


Of course, luck and skill will factor in, but all things being equal will lead to that process line in general.

That breakdown sounds right to me. Were they big wins?

G