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But how does it work for warhound titans? With the princeps and moderatii?

So the princeps form the personality of the titan?

Or the Machine Spirit and Princeps together form the spirit of the titan?

I have looked at lexicanum, but it seems only to give me more questions than answers.

The machine spirit has a basic 'personality' ( more like some programmed routines ).
Over time, the princeps piloting it leave some sort of "imprint". Maybe the warhounds have a pack like basic 'personality', and the princeps needs to: calm them, guide them, and finally unleash them.
Its old pre age of strife tech, so less understood and i have seen descriptions that Princeps "feel" like the titans body is there own.
Since the machine spirit is capable of memorizing data, why shouldn't it remember emotional reactions of its crew?
Why shouldn't it add more "data" to its own basic core of 'personality' ?

I think a Titan could adopt to its crews behaviour.

What happens when a princep dies?

johnjohnson wrote:What happens when a princep dies?

Depends on his location.

In battle, the armoured cockpit would possibly be destroyed so the titan would also be lost or severly damaged.
Anywhere else, the titan legion would sent a replacement. Maybe a knight pilot got promoted then.

I meant for the titan's personality, how easy would it be to accept a new princep?

Could a tech-priest be a princep (provided he/she had the potential)?

Any good sources besides lexicanum on this subject?

Titans are fielded over a long period, maybe some thousands of years. Must be possible to accept another princeps.

Sources could be:

-HH/mechanicum
-Titanicus

I know it must be possible, but what I am after is the effect n the personality and how easily it accepts a new princep.

And also if a tech priest could serve as a temporary princep.

I think that it would take a while for the titan to trust a new princep (but they are TRAINED for it sooo...) a quick tech priest replacement though, would be much harder to trust. In fact, the titan may even see it as an insult to be treated so irreverantly.

Doe this sound plausible

A female tech-priest is in "love" with a Warhound Titan. The titan saved her when she was a child (whether by accident or on purpose). The surrounding tech priests saw this as a sign from the omnissiah, leading to her being accepted/taken into the Adeptus Mechanicus. She eventually ends up being one of the priests assigned to said titan.

She spends all her time making sure the titan is in top condition and the titan begins to feel gratitude to her. Later on, in a battle, the titan is damaged and the princep is killed (maybe also the moderatii), said tech-priest hooks up with the machine spirit of the titan to keep it from being killed.

Feel free to add any changes or commentary to that

While being an interesting idea, I see a few points that don't really appeal to me.

1. A titan usually does not fight alone, so it probably was the crew and their titan who saved her. While possible that an admech girl falls in "love" with the machine rather than its crew, I think it should be pointed out that it wasn't really the machine that saved here, but rather the crew with the assistance of the machine spirit. But that might probably differ too much from your idea.

2. Feelings like "love" don't really work for me with admech. If I'm not totally wrong, the Mechanicus stands for cold logical thought, not for emotional behaviour. For a younger apprentice something like love for a machine might be possible, but I think the more a priest advances through the Mechanicus ranks and the more implants she gets, the less likely it is that she "loves" a machine. The Mechanicus feels reverence to old machines and their spirits...but, sorry, a girl loving the titan that saved her....it produces anime pictures in my head. And that does not go well with Warhammer in my opinion.

Hope that helps, don't let it keep you from writing your story.

Witzkatz wrote:While being an interesting idea, I see a few points that don't really appeal to me.

1. A titan usually does not fight alone, so it probably was the crew and their titan who saved her.
While possible that an admech girl falls in "love" with the machine rather than its crew, I think it should be pointed out that it wasn't really the machine that saved here, but rather the crew with the assistance of the machine spirit. But that might probably differ too much from your idea.

I know, it would either be the machine spirit acting by itself or more likely, it would have been an accident (and assumed to be the Machine Spirit acting) or something like that.

Witzkatz wrote:
2. Feelings like "love" don't really work for me with admech. If I'm not totally wrong, the Mechanicus stands for cold logical thought, not for emotional behaviour. For a younger apprentice something like love for a machine might be possible, but I think the more a priest advances through the Mechanicus ranks and the more implants she gets, the less likely it is that she "loves" a machine. The Mechanicus feels reverence to old machines and their spirits...but, sorry, a girl loving the titan that saved her....it produces anime pictures in my head. And that does not go well with Warhammer in my opinion.

They may go for cold logical thought, but there are bound to be occasional deviations. Though I did list it as "love" because it would be the kind of love an admech priest could feel, which would be very different then the traditional definition.

Witzkatz wrote:
Hope that helps, don't let it keep you from writing your story.

It was a request I got, the plot waas not my choice, but I want to see if I can give it a go and fit it in the warhammer 40k universe. (I want to stick to canon as much as possible, I don't mind bending one or two things, but then everything else has to perfectly in line).

I already have made some changes from what the original request was, so I am trying to walk the fine line between being faithful to 40k and to the original request.

I for one, like it! Remember, titans often reflect thier emotions in the princep. So the princep could have suddenly felt and urge to stop EVERYTHING, all fighting until the girl was safe and sound(i.e. send a boarding party). Perhaps the titan, rather than feeling superior, is curious as to the nature of humans, and is in fact touched by a young girls innocence. BTW the plot towards the end makes sense. While I doubt the Titan would feel gratitude, it certainly would more readily accept the girl if she had been serv icing it for a while.


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Also, about reflecting emotions, mabye the princeps acts like a father to the orphaned girl, and the titan begins to reflect it?

Emperors Faithful wrote:I for one, like it! Remember, titans often reflect thier emotions in the princep. So the princep could have suddenly felt and urge to stop EVERYTHING, all fighting until the girl was safe and sound(i.e. send a boarding party). Perhaps the titan, rather than feeling superior, is curious as to the nature of humans, and is in fact touched by a young girls innocence. BTW the plot towards the end makes sense. While I doubt the Titan would feel gratitude, it certainly would more readily accept the girl if she had been serv icing it for a while.


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Also, about reflecting emotions, mabye the princeps acts like a father to the orphaned girl, and the titan begins to reflect it?

That sounds interesting, I will probably put something like that in there.