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Never said he was a god, but he is a super natural creation. And with everything done in his name, the prayers and worship towards him... it must have an effect similar to the Eldar creation of Slaanesh... don't you think?

The Chaos Gods don't feed on souls. It's a misconception of how the warp and reality interacts. The unmooring of souls into the warp creates turbulence in the Warp, the more turbulence, the greater chance it might attract the attention of the Chaos Gods. The more entities in the material world participate in subsisting domains of the warp, in decadence, in change, in morbidity, and destruction, the more the influence of that domain becomes apparent until the imbalances ruptures the interface between reality and the warp, and the nothingness of the warp spills through into reality.

That was something that I liked about the "Battle of the Abyss" and "The Descent of Angels", the way that the warp entities were represented in the warpsight of psyckers as being mere pseudopods of greater entities.


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Note: The Eldar didn't create Slaanesh...

Wait, how was slaanesh not created by the Eldar... was it not their over use of pleasure and the dark twisted people they became not give birth to slaanesh and bring the downfall of their empire?

The Birth of Slaanesh, Codex: Chaos Daemons, p.7 wrote:That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the real universe; in the Warp, things are different. The Realm of Chaos has no true time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. In essence, Slaanesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed.

From what i remember, souls as soon as they died swam in the immaterium until they were ready and transmigrated to another body in the material plane. However chaos gods became more powerful and started messing with that cycle so the shamans of the old world made a mass suicide and all their souls went into one=emperor.
now i dont know if this fluff is still cannon but if it is then the soul of a psyker specially a powerful one can exist in the warp and if strong enough fend for itself. I think that GW fluff just over does it with the whole mythos of the Emperors power.
If hes powerful enough to survive in the warp after he dies then he might be able to use the humans worship to give him more power in the warp and be considered a god just like the other like the butt load of other minor gods. But since we the consumers are humans and need something to identify with ofcourse the fluff is made so that if something happened to the Emperor than its the end of the world. this game is to human centered

In the real universe, the time for the birth of Slaanesh was the fall of the Eldar. And even though time is irrelevant in the Warp, it is not in the real universe. The gods have a want of some sort in the real universe and so they must play by the laws of reality to make a difference, or do their things in the breaks like the eye of terror.


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HiddenPower

Yeah that is what I think.

HiddenPower:

I think GW is trying to get away from the human-centric approach, the 'August Derleth approach', and more towards a 'Howard P. Lovecraft approach' where humanity is an insignificant backwater of creation, mere grist for hungry demons, aliens from beyond reality, and the very amoral nature of the universe itself, and whose safety lies in ignorance of just how irrelevant they are.

That was the approach in Lovecraft's original stories, and later Derleth, his friend and editor, thought it would be something to recast the whole Mythos in the old binary good vs evil, basically destroying what was original and interesting in Lovecraft's original work.

So obviously I'm in favour of GW's current move towards a less human-centric universe, where reality is one small corner of a vast and uncaring universe, where the real tragedy isn't that humanity is nearing extinction, but that in the greater scheme of things humanity is irrelevant.

Hmm. I do not know about the rest of you, but for me, I like the parallels between the fictitious universe of WH40k and that real one we live in. I love how it takes the extremes of man and puts them into a world of violence, an opposite of utopia. I love how it is a story of a struggle, a story of wrong. I love how the Imperium is a parallel of an extreme Mid-Evil Europe. I love how the Eldar are a parallel to a dieing civilization that will just not want to go, much like the Romans. To me the Orks are a mix of comic relief and an extreme of a worrior culture much like the Spartans mixed with a guerrilla attitde to use every measure for battle. The aspect of hell, the threat of the unkown in Chaos...

All of this, this is what drew me to WH40k. And what drew me to the Imperium of this game is the struggle they endure and the measures they take to survive a losing battle. The fact that being "good" would cost them everything, and take to a brutal but efficient way of life to battle the threats. The Dogma of their religion, their pure brutality of the Inquisition, the blind faith of the Space Marines. All of these have a twisted and are the extremes of events and ideas of our past and I love it for that.

To turn it to a humans are irrelevant scheme in the sense of we have no control over nature, then I can see that. Now a less human-centric is a bold move, and it could play off by giving a more in depth look at the other races, and that, that would be fun reads. But making Humanity irrelevant all together is just a major turn off.

I wasn't suggesting making humanity irrelevant all together. Rather the opposite, but I've pretty much said all I came to say, so I'll let it lie.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled thread.

from wikipedia on the subject minor chaos entities.

wikipedia wrote: Melkirth - mentioned in older background material for Warhammer 40,000. Melkirth was a minor chaos god described as "The god of evil, malice, and wanton cruelty and suffering." While Melkirth remains a minor god, it is said that the actions of the mortal races, particularly the Dark Eldar, are causing Melkirth to grow in power until he ultimately becomes the fifth major Chaos God. The daemons of Melkirth are described as being the colour of shadow and able to take on the appearance of any daemon, be it a daemon of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, or Tzeentch.

That one's a new one on me. Where is Melkirth mentioned in the source material?

In Slaves to Darkness it's pointed out that all daemons will claim to be gods if they can get away with it, and that passing oneself off as a god is pretty common practice, particularly for the Greater Daemons who can pass themselves off as being worthy of worship to the credulous.

Nurglitch wrote:That one's a new one on me. Where is Melkirth mentioned in the source material?

Tbh i've only ever seen him mentioned on wikipedia so i don't know anymore than you do. I just figured i'd post that here and let someone dig up his full back story.

I believe he is more of a rumor created by fans... I have heard of him in several stores across the nation, all never having written proof. But the story of him is nice, but look up Malice in Lexicanum... he might be the same being.

That's why I avoid places like Lexicanum: They're just iterating the opinions of other fans, and trying to pass them off as the facts, and I have the original sources for that sort of thing.

I agree, that sounds like some bad fanfiction for someone who didn't want to paint their daemon army.

"Ah. Still haven't gotten past the priming with these guys?"

"What do you mean? They're made of ShAdOw... oooo.... pretty awesome, huh?"

Every "40k Wiki" has theories by various fans told as fact. Which undoubtedly results in people restating it, so it becomes "alternate fluff" instead of made up wholesale. Eh.

Changing the subject a little, anyone know anything about "malal"?

Chaos god of revenge who hates the rest of chaos, and spends most of his time trying to fight them. Black and white color scheme, 11 is his sacred number. Taken out of the fluff due to an IP issue.

Or at least that's what I hear.

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Nurglitch wrote:Oppression and despair are the province of Nurgle.

I'm betting Hunger.

I'm wondering,wouldn't Hunger also fall into Nurgles domain,plauge,pestilence and such,wouldn't famine also be part of Nurgles touch?

I think all of them have a basis of hunger.
Khorne:Hunger for strenght,skulls and power
Tzeentch:Hunger for knowledge and the unknown
Nurgle:Hunger for preservation and escaping death no matter the price.
Slaanesh:Hunger for pleasure no matter how de-based and perverted it may be.

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FITZZ wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Oppression and despair are the province of Nurgle.

I'm betting Hunger.

I'm wondering,wouldn't Hunger also fall into Nurgles domain,plauge,pestilence and such,wouldn't famine also be part of Nurgles touch?

I think all of them have a basis of hunger.
Khorne:Hunger for strenght,skulls and power
Tzeentch:Hunger for knowledge and the unknown
Nurgle:Hunger for preservation and escaping death no matter the price.
Slaanesh:Hunger for pleasure no matter how de-based and perverted it may be.

Yes,exactly...so would it be possiable that a 5th Chaos god would be created by the culmitave factors of "hunger" being a driving force behind the other 4 Chaos gods?

Possibly. How about a chaos god who thrives on paranoia. There seems to be a lot of that in the far-future.


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Sanchez01 wrote:Hmm. I do not know about the rest of you, but for me, I like the parallels between the fictitious universe of WH40k and that real one we live in. I love how it takes the extremes of man and puts them into a world of violence, an opposite of utopia.

I totally agree with you snachez! I love the idea of humanity stuggling in an unfair galaxy. Beats the hell out of star trek.

penut the butter wrote:Possibly. How about a chaos god who thrives on paranoia. There seems to be a lot of that in the far-future.

Paranoia,fear,angst...we could call him Anikin..no..um wait.
Actually,paranoia & fear could work (though fear starts to step into Nurgles domain).

Paranoia is definitely the domain of Tzeetch, scheming and politics and whatnot.

With Chaos given free reign, the Scions and Pawns of the Gods will begin fighting each other. This need to destroy other Chaos servants will awaken a great deity, old in age, yet even the four brothers speak his name in hushed whispers.

Malal.

What about guild, regret, and sorrow?

I'm thinking all of the Chaos Gods form together Power Rangers style and become......... GRIMDARK the lord of all dark and grim things.

Anybody second my opinion?

I want to see an Emo Chaos god, there demons would be.....interesting

Does one of the gods feed on fear.. Cause fear is the root of many things like violence and destruction.. This god would pwn.

The god of apathy would be cool.. He doesnt even have a name or any followers no one cares woah.

When I use to collect Alpha legion (when they had rules) I Imagined they worshipped a facet of slaanesh.. the part of Secrets. Greater demon is called keeper of secrets afterall. I had their motto as 'subvert corrupt destroy'.

Nurgle is the embodiment of the fear of death and the preservation of ones self being.

I would have thought that a massive human emotion in the 40k universe would be want of lack of emotion, or at least on mars.... maybie a dark machine god, as far as I know the Dark Mechanicus doesn't acctually have a god but worships dark magick in conjuction with machinery?

Evilclown wrote:I'm thinking all of the Chaos Gods form together Power Rangers style and become......... GRIMDARK the lord of all dark and grim things.

Anybody second my opinion?

No.Power Rangers are weak. In the shows and movies ,if you touch them they apperently explode and end up flying 30 feet in the air.