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NAVARRO wrote:If I go to a art expo look at a painting and dont like it ,so I will not buy it, Im less credible to express opinions than, say the guy next door who has a full collection of that painter?

Well of course.

Of course there are good models you can use. Other hobbies should have some kind of wolf.

There may well be, but I was talking about "official" GW models. Substitutes from other companies aren't necessarily tournament legal.

That, and I haven't seen a decent, appropriately-sized wolf model to use as a substitute. Thunderwolves are supposed to be huge, judging from Canis mount. The best wolf model I've seen linked to was a Gamezone Goblin and I'm sure that's about the size of the plastic GW wolves.

Tim the Biovore wrote:@Sidstyler. Of course there are good models you can use. Other hobbies should have some kind of wolf.

You shouldn't have to use another company's models.

Not to mention the fact that GW would confiscate and destroy them if you tried to use them in their stores.

Sidstyler wrote:Not to mention the fact that GW would confiscate and destroy them if you tried to use them in their stores.

No they would not, I dont know which GW you play at, It must be run by Hitlar wannabes. On vets nights it would not be a problem But I do understand that GW does not allowe other models used in store unless they are over 50% GW. So conversions would be ok.

As for official GW models, they cant ,ake a model for everything they write about (its a hobby that involves painting and converting to some degree) It gives us the freedom to make our own. Dont like it play something else.


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@ Sidstyler The lack of thunderwolf models is what could be potentially is stopping you from collecting SW. thats just lame. One entry in the codex for which they only have one available option (well actully GW have a few but some look stupid)
I guess you dont really want to play wolves and are just using that argument to show us why you would not collect wolves.

@ Navaroo and sidstyler
As for complaining yes I think Sw players have more of aright to complain than non SW players as it Directlyy affect us. It does not directly affect non SW players how ugly canis or his mnount is. Its really that simple. It dirctly affect SW players whilst not directly affecting non SW players. Try and grasp that concept, its not that difficult if you just think of it from a SW players point of view

Heres some good wolves

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/solos/war-wolf
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/warlocks/kaya-the-moonhunter-laris
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/solos/wolf-lord-morraig

beef wrote:

Heres some good wolves

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/solos/war-wolf
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/warlocks/kaya-the-moonhunter-laris
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/solos/wolf-lord-morraig

Beef,
My idea, exactly !! Thanks for rounding up the pics !! I like how their fur looks like fur and not a lemon merangue pie !!!

Do you know if Morraig is molded to the wolf like Canis is? I thought he'd make a cool Lone Wolf or Scout, too, but don't know if the rules allow that.

The only gripe I have about using the PP mini`s is that they are quite small.

Cool looking no doubt but small.

I myself have been thinking of using Chaos Knights and Chaos Wolves and a lot of greenstuff

Well, I may have a better solution. I always go on GW Online for the updates, and saw a converted Canis. He had a thunder hammer and storm shield instead of claws. If you do the same thing, only with both weapons and head, you will have yourself some Thunderwolf Cavalry. The only thing that could stop you now is price and/or the same wolf model and poses.

beef wrote:No they would not, I dont know which GW you play at, It must be run by Hitlar wannabes. On vets nights it would not be a problem But I do understand that GW does not allowe other models used in store unless they are over 50% GW. So conversions would be ok.

It was a joke. And there is no GW store in Missouri anymore.

beef wrote:As for official GW models, they cant ,ake a model for everything they write about (its a hobby that involves painting and converting to some degree) It gives us the freedom to make our own. Dont like it play something else.

I realize they can't make a model for everything, but thunderwolf cavalry are one of those things that really should have a model, don't you think? It's hard to find a suitable wolf model from GW or any other manufacturer that's also the appropriate size. Everything I've been shown so far is far too small, and would look utterly silly with a Space Marine riding on its back.

And I will play something else, as I said. Wolves aren't my army I guess.

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@ Sidstyler The lack of thunderwolf models is what could be potentially is stopping you from collecting SW. thats just lame.

Is it? Why? You haven't given me a very good reason as to why it's "lame", just spouting the same "You're not a real Space Wolf player!" bs over and over.

beef wrote:One entry in the codex for which they only have one available option (well actully GW have a few but some look stupid)
I guess you dont really want to play wolves and are just using that argument to show us why you would not collect wolves.

...wasn't that the point?! You asked me if I had a SW army, I said no, but I was interested in a TWC-heavy army and wouldn't so long as there wasn't a plastic kit for them. Now I'm being ridiculed for explaining myself.

If I had absolutely no interest at all in Space Wolves I wouldn't have looked in this thread. Nor would I have wasted my time looking at army lists for them.

Anyway, there's no suitable replacement (your links to "good wolves" aren't that good actually, Morraig looks worse than Canis and the others are too small, like every single other wolf model that I've been shown as a possible counts-as thunderwolf) for TWC, the only real option for me then is a $45 special character, which means if I go with the army list I wanted for Wolves I'd be spending about $400 on just the TWC units, before buying anything else in the army. That's asking quite a bit and while I'm sure that's exactly what GW would want me to do, I'm gonna have to pass.

beef wrote:@ Navaroo and sidstyler
As for complaining yes I think Sw players have more of aright to complain than non SW players as it Directlyy affect us. It does not directly affect non SW players how ugly canis or his mnount is. Its really that simple. It dirctly affect SW players whilst not directly affecting non SW players. Try and grasp that concept, its not that difficult if you just think of it from a SW players point of view

I have tried thinking of things from your point of view and I honestly can't. There's really no reason whatsoever why I can't criticize a model for an army that I don't play. You don't have to be a SW player to buy SW models, or to form opinions on SW models, and seeing as how GW repeatedly calls themselves a model company one would think I have every right to praise or criticize them for said models regardless of whether or not I actually plan to buy them. If they release a new model, for whatever army, and I don't think it's a good sculpt, I have every right to voice my displeasure and there's really not a fething thing you can do about it.

Can you grasp that concept? It's not that hard...

Canis being a gak sculpt doesn't affect me personally since I don't already own a Space Wolves army, and probably won't since I can't realistically field the army I want without breaking the bank. Now if they released a batch of gakky Tau models I might get a little pissed off, but in either case I likely won't be losing sleep over it. I, personally, just don't like the model, mainly for his mount. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't have any problem with anyone who disagrees, if you like Canis and want to buy a bunch of the models to convert for TWC, knock yourself out, I'd like to see what you come up with.

Well atleast you agree Kanis being gak does not affect you directly. Thats was my point. Further to that point was that if it does not affect you directly why complain to much about it? But then I guess the world is full of people who like to complain and expect to much from GW. As for thunderwolf cav I wont be buying a ton of canis models and converting them, thats to expensive. I will source alternate models. Hell I might even look into those plastic toy zoo animals or the wolf sculpts they have. Basically I will look outside the hobby. It might even be fun trying to source something and you never know what jems are out there if you take the time to look.
Spouting the same BS as you call it about you not being a SW player. Well ok your a tau player. I did consider them onec apon a time when #i saw the FW crisis suits. However when I say the actual GW version I was put off and could not justufy spending FW prices on them. Howver I did not complain about it but then I guess being a SW player I dont tend to complain. Hell we had a 3rd edition codex all the way upto 5th edition rules. With things like that you tend to see things in a different light and then when we finally get a codex we are unhappy with some things, But what makes it worse is when non SW players complain about our codex. It reminds me about how I felt sorry for DA playesr when their codex came out and they tried to work with it. It did not help when non DA players critisised the codex or mini's.

Anyway thats my opinion and just as you are entitled to yours I am iintitled to mine. So lets agree to disagree.


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@ Myrthe I have no idea about the size of those PP mini's. Living in the UK we dont see that many around so I would not hazard a guess to thier size. If anybody has one and could put a sm next to one for comparison that would be great.

@ Haunted_Undead how big are the chaos wolves? Are they not the same size as the goblin rider wolves?

beef wrote:Well atleast you agree Kanis being gak does not affect you directly. Thats was my point. Further to that point was that if it does not affect you directly why complain to much about it? But then I guess the world is full of people who like to complain and expect to much from GW.

Jezzz
And GW hobby is full of intolerant fanboys who cant grasp the basic concepts of free speech and divergent opinions... Like someone said earlier, get real man...

Well ok your a tau player. I did consider them onec apon a time when #i saw the FW crisis suits. However when I say the actual GW version I was put off and could not justufy spending FW prices on them. Howver I did not complain about it but then I guess being a SW player I dont tend to complain

Well, actually I could see that putting you off doing an army of Tau. Most Tau armies tend to be crisis suit heavy and while I personally don't like the crisis suit models GW puts out, I'm not too bothered by them obviously or I wouldn't be playing Tau. But I could understand someone else not wanting to buy a bunch of models they don't like or forking out for FW and avoiding them until a new kit comes out.

Like I said I won't disagree with anyone who thinks the crisis suit models look like crap.

But what makes it worse is when non SW players complain about our codex.

The codex is pretty good, I'm not trashing the rules nor am I upset about them getting an update in the first place. I just don't like one of the models they put out and thought one of the units in said codex really needed a kit.

NAVARRO wrote:

beef wrote:Well atleast you agree Kanis being gak does not affect you directly. Thats was my point. Further to that point was that if it does not affect you directly why complain to much about it? But then I guess the world is full of people who like to complain and expect to much from GW.

Jezzz
And GW hobby is full of intolerant fanboys who cant grasp the basic concepts of free speech and divergent opinions... Like someone said earlier, get real man...

And the GW hobby is also full of people who come on to the internet to whine. Get real man theirs more to life than this.

@sidstyler I will agree that it would have been nice and (cheaper in the long run for us) if GW did produce some models for TW cav. (hell maybe if FW do them I would be tempted.

Once again What is a FAnboy?

I'm guessing people who dedicate everything to something else.

beef wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:

beef wrote:Well atleast you agree Kanis being gak does not affect you directly. Thats was my point. Further to that point was that if it does not affect you directly why complain to much about it? But then I guess the world is full of people who like to complain and expect to much from GW.

Jezzz
And GW hobby is full of intolerant fanboys who cant grasp the basic concepts of free speech and divergent opinions... Like someone said earlier, get real man...

And the GW hobby is also full of people who come on to the internet to whine. Get real man theirs more to life than this.

Once again What is a FAnboy?

Really? I whined about what? the model? nope. your moronic attitude towards ALL that dont like something your a fan? nope.
Me and others just said clearly your nonsense logic=fails thats it.
Not going to drag this anyfurther since your probably a young lad expressing is passion for something but exagerating on the tone...
Oh well you would be welcome to express your opinions on other topics about other freaking miniatures ( just make sure you collect them ok? ... all of them! If not just dont dare to talk about it!" glad we are not in beef's wonderfull world.

Dont bother looking for a fanboy man

I find that I need to apologise to Beast of war folks- Sorry mates your reviews topic deserves better that this.

If you were really that bothered about the review you should not have posted your drivle here. you could have pm'd me but i guess it must feel good trying to prove your point aginst an unknown over the internet/

as for commenting on others models that I dont collect, I am intitled to say if its a nice sculpt or not, what I wont bother commenting on or complaining about is whether its to expensive or not if I dont collect that army, ok

Actually I do care for the work of Beast of war folks, and if you noticed, not only on this thread, but whenever I can I show my apreciation for their dedication ... Its a good thing they are doing for the hobby and they deserved a better thread.

PM you? Your not that special.. so sorry

Seriously we had our laughs but lets call it quits and move on... I know I will.

Canis' model seems to be the real life equivalent for Cypher's animosity rule.

Well seing as you can move on I am sure It wont kill me to do the same.