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Adaptecon here I come.

not for me. went the past few years and they pale in comparisson to what they were in the 90's.

plus is conflicts with my outer banks week, and Crawfish > Gamesday.

Redbeard wrote:First, they took away the Games Day tournaments.
Then they took away the GTs.
Now they've taken the Games Days.

AND THEN THEY CAME FOR MEEE!

Such an amazing amount of negativity and acidic bile.

And it's not exactly undeserved, either.

Yeah great..consolodate all the US GDs...but why the Canadian one? So we lose ours and have to fly to the USA, so it's even more costly and more useless for us since they stopped showing off future models, etc.

Maybe if it was in a FUN city like Los Angeles, Las Vegas, or something....sure..then wife and I could go clubbing after, party, etc....but Baltimore? yeah..no thanks.

Since I'm more of a painter anyways, guess no more Golden Demons for me...

Sanjay

Sidstyler wrote:

Such an amazing amount of negativity and acidic bile.

And it's not exactly undeserved, either.

Isn't bile an alkaline fluid, and therefore basic?

And really, at this point, GW get what they deserve on this front.

my problem is that I'm a kid and this was going to be my first Games day this year in chicago...then they pulled the rug under me and I doubt my parents are going to spend a couple 100$ for a one day event

I'd rather see one good GD -- wherever it is -- rather than two or more mediocre ones.

Let's give the events guys a break here -- not everything that happened to the GDs this year was under their control.

I never attended one but wouldn't it make sense if they had 3 events that were exactly the same? Kind of like a traveling road show or something.

That's kind of what they had. Problem is that each event was diluted to the point of really not being fun anymore.

There are certainly some good reasons for people to be skeptical about Games Day after the 2009 events. If I had to travel far for it I would be especially wary and would want to make certain I knew what to expect before committing to a long, expensive trip.

Being lucky enough to be close to the Games Day event in Maryland I'm looking forward to seeing what improvements will be made in 2010. It can only go up from the 2009 event. In fact, I'll likely be assisting in finishing some of the scenery that will be needed for the event. It should be fun.

I have to agree with a previous post that addresses the fact that North America is getting only a single Games Day while Europe is getting 3-4, despite the fact that North American is more than twice as large by land mass.

I mean, being in Spain and going to a GD in France is similar to being in Georgia and going to a GD in Florida.

Now, if you're in Los Angeles and want to go to the Baltimore GD, that's comparable to going to the GD in England from such wonderfully nearby places as Freetown, Sierra Leone; Khartoum, Sudan; or Mecca, Saudi Arabia. (Ironically, there are places on the East Coast of the USA that are closer to London than they are to Los Angeles.)

Scottywan82 wrote:And the best part is guys, that means absolutely NO rumors and NO previews until next August! And then - come August, we only get a preview of items between September and October!

This is going to fething rule! We will all HAVE to buy White Dwarf to know what's coming out next month!

Isnt that their master plan though? Shut down rumour sources entirely and then have the only rumours appear in White Dwarf.

Hell I bet we wont having anything on Nids until December 2nd when the black boxes show up in the GW delievery.

Cruentus wrote:

For Games Days to be worth it, at the least, they'd have to:

1) actually hold a decent 'upcoming releases' seminar - not the same packaged dung that's been seen for months online prior
2) actually hold a decent 'state of the game' seminar
3) sell bitz by the ounce again - oh wait, they gutted the bitz service
4) have sneak preview copies of codexes, or the new release codex on sale at the GD, early, like they used to.
5) have decent preview models on display - and not the 'this is just a test sculpt, and will never see the light of day' sculpts that we've been able to enjoy recently
6) stop the stupid waaaagh calls all day long...

I agree. GW are the ones who destroyed the Gamesdays.

Seminars with people from the design studio who can't say anything, no tournaments etc.


I also like how people around Baltimore are saying that one Gamesday a year will be alright if it makes the one Gamesday better. Would you be saying the same thing if they moved the one Gamesday to England so you would have to fly for 4 hours like those of us in the west coast to make it better? Yeah, I didn't think so.

I'd rather go to London England for a Gamesday than Baltimore... at least you could argue for making a vacation of it.

Yea I did find it kind of funny the only people not complaining about the single GD was the people who lived near Baltimore.

I only ever went to the GD out here in LA, and enjoyed them for a few reasons, mostly the bitz store, the mega battles, the preview models, and the cool GD only stuff like the shirts and free models. If that stuff is gone, and not even remotely close to my area, there is no point.

And the Vegas convention hall in not only way to big, but way to expensive for GW. Never going to happen.

I am in favor of it and I don't live in Baltimore. Seriously, the last couple LA Gamesdays weren't worth attending.

I may end up going after all, the wife wants to visit the East Coast and stop in Baltimore to see Charm City Cakes (of Ace of Cakes fame) and we may time it to line up with Games Day.

EDIT: Oh and there are a ton of convention halls in Las Vegas, not just the big one. GW could probably afford some of the smaller ones in MGM, Mandalay Bay, Sands Expo center, etc.

The last few LA days, no, I did not go to, as I was not only on a break from the hobby, but tended to forget when it was.

Having never been to Baltimore can their hall really be that big? I recall a post earlier in the thread that said back in the day, when the Baltimore GD was the only one, it was packed to tight you coulnt move. Yea, thats what I want. Another E3 with less excitement.

But honestly, if they still had the same stuff that the older GD had here in LA, Id say it was worth it. But if not, whats the point?


Also I hate Vegas, so Id do anything to not go there.

Well, not to sound insulting to the people who do live in Baltimore, but I have been there and I really can't think of a lot of reasons to go back. There's no way I would travel all the way there for a single day gaming event, and there just isn't anything else up there I wanna see.

Hell I live in Baltimore county and I don't go into Baltimore city unless it's to visit the aquarium. That city is a dump.

If you're a fan of aquariums though the one in Baltimore is easily in the top 5 for the whole nation...but that's about the best thing I can say about the whole city.

I haven't been to a Games Day is many years, and I won't be attending next year unless I hear very good things, GW isn't getting my money until they prove they can get their crap together.

Blackmoor wrote:I also like how people around Baltimore are saying that one Gamesday a year will be alright if it makes the one Gamesday better. Would you be saying the same thing if they moved the one Gamesday to England so you would have to fly for 4 hours like those of us in the west coast to make it better? Yeah, I didn't think so.

I'm saying it.

Look, you guys can b*tch and moan all you want. It's not going to change the fact that their resources are a lot more limited than they used to be. And I think you'll soon see that's the way it's going to be for the foreseeable future. So yes, I agree with the marketing strategy of putting the money into one good event rather than spread it across two or more.

GW has put the ball in our court. If you want more events, your choices are 1) start your own, or 2) support your local indy events. Short of sending out press releases to that effect, I don't know how GW can make this any clearer.

gorgon wrote: ... one good event rather than spread it across two or more...

The thing is, how are we to KNOW that GD Baltimore WILL, in fact be GOOD ? GWs promises carry little weight these days but we're expected to descend on their site like ravening hordes to scoop up the limited tickets now, before we have any concrete information on Games Day ??

I do agree that more fan-coordinated events would be great. I've wanted to go to Adepticon for years and 2010 may be the one.

If I where to travel anywhere for a warhammer event its Adaptecon, and only because of the good things Iv heard from people not only here, but from my gaming circles.

GW says a lot of things will get better in the future. They have been saying that for years, why would this be any different.

I'd rather go to London England for a Gamesday than Baltimore... at least you could argue for making a vacation of it.

This is completely off topic from the topic I started here, but assuming money, travel time, travel methods, passports, etc. were not issues at all and completely regardless of Games Workshop or any other hobby, who wouldn't rather go to London than Baltimore!?! Hilarious.

But seriously folks, I've been to every Games Day held in Baltimore and it really was massive when it was the only US Games Day. It's just a shame we can't go back to having a 2-day event, but hopefully the one day will be great like the "good old days".

honestly im tempted to just go out of country as well cause the US GW well SUCKS... what happened to the GW of old that is still held up in other countries. Here they have doen ag reat job of destorying it as well as the hobby.

Alpharius wrote:Isn't bile an alkaline fluid, and therefore basic?

Intrahepatic Bile has a 7.5 pH, gall bladder bile has a 6 pH, so it's neutral.

It contains both bases and acids that balance each other out, but actually does place it closer to the acidic side of the scale.

However, when people think of bile, they tend think of either the bitterness of temper or the yellow and black biles that composed two of the four "humors" of proto-medicine. Excessive bile produced an aggressive temperament("choleric").

I worked for GW as a part time red shirt for the following 1996-1999 GW Westfarms (Farmington CT), 2000-2001 GW Cambrigde (Cambrigde, UK), and 2004-2008 GW Buckland Hills (Manchester, CT). I have been to many Games Days (only one as a player) and I fell this is a good move. When it was a 2 day event in Balimore it was great. The one went to in the Uk was cool but only one day. Having all the best in one place is nice, however I would have picked a spot in the middle like Chicago so it's easier for both coasts. However I understand picking Baltimore, that's where everything is coming from and shipping/moving all the stuff would be costly. The quality of the event did go down as they added more events. That being said it made it more accessible and so very skilled players/painters could go without flying cross country. Until this GD takes place and we see what happens no one can tell if this is a good move or just a really bad move that will be changed back to having 3+ GD in the U.S. As always I will try to make it but if I don't it's not that big a deal to me. All the info and models will be online about 10 min after the gates down (if that), who knows maybe they'll webcast it. If GD is 6 min or 6 hours from me I still enjoy the game, story, and people.

meh. I might go. I haven't been to a GD in something like 10 years.

Would I play a game there? hell no. However, there's a pretty good chance they'll have the bits bins there I think. So that could be worth the price of admission.

Plus a good selection of FW right there.

I'd look at it like I look at any Gaming Convention style event. It's a vacation day and a shopping trip. And then a party at a nice restaurant afterwards.


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Blackmoor wrote:

Cruentus wrote:

For Games Days to be worth it, at the least, they'd have to:

1) actually hold a decent 'upcoming releases' seminar - not the same packaged dung that's been seen for months online prior
2) actually hold a decent 'state of the game' seminar
3) sell bitz by the ounce again - oh wait, they gutted the bitz service
4) have sneak preview copies of codexes, or the new release codex on sale at the GD, early, like they used to.
5) have decent preview models on display - and not the 'this is just a test sculpt, and will never see the light of day' sculpts that we've been able to enjoy recently
6) stop the stupid waaaagh calls all day long...

I agree. GW are the ones who destroyed the Gamesdays.

Seminars with people from the design studio who can't say anything, no tournaments etc.


I also like how people around Baltimore are saying that one Gamesday a year will be alright if it makes the one Gamesday better. Would you be saying the same thing if they moved the one Gamesday to England so you would have to fly for 4 hours like those of us in the west coast to make it better? Yeah, I didn't think so.

I actually wouldn't mind going to a UK GD. But it would also be part of a larger European vacation and falls under the category of "after I win the lottery I'm going to..."

there's a pretty good chance they'll have the bits bins there I think.

They haven't sold bits out of bins at Games Day in years. They also no longer sell bits the way they used to by Direct Order. The old "bitz" system was replaced with the "bitz pack" system about two years ago.

Snake1381 wrote:I worked for GW as a part time red shirt for the following 1996-1999 GW Westfarms (Farmington CT), 2000-2001 GW Cambrigde (Cambrigde, UK), and 2004-2008 GW Buckland Hills (Manchester, CT). I have been to many Games Days (only one as a player) and I fell this is a good move. When it was a 2 day event in Balimore it was great. The one went to in the Uk was cool but only one day. Having all the best in one place is nice, however I would have picked a spot in the middle like Chicago so it's easier for both coasts. However I understand picking Baltimore, that's where everything is coming from and shipping/moving all the stuff would be costly. The quality of the event did go down as they added more events. That being said it made it more accessible and so very skilled players/painters could go without flying cross country. Until this GD takes place and we see what happens no one can tell if this is a good move or just a really bad move that will be changed back to having 3+ GD in the U.S. As always I will try to make it but if I don't it's not that big a deal to me. All the info and models will be online about 10 min after the gates down (if that), who knows maybe they'll webcast it. If GD is 6 min or 6 hours from me I still enjoy the game, story, and people.

actually all models are made in memphis at their factory there ergo the shipping is pretty much the same whichever way you cut the dice. Also the chicago bunker is the highest in sales for the country for many years running so it would have made even MORE sense to put it there in the middle of the country.

All the key support staff and the new scenery being built for Games Day US 2010 are in Baltimore at the HQ, not in Chicago. What's more, when there was only one Games Day US in Baltimore, attendance was extremely high, people did travel from all over to come to those events. It is unlikely to hurt attendance having it in Baltimore over Chicago. The community in the Maryland area has been developing since GW started in the US as HQ has always been there and GW has always had stores there when they've had stores in the US. The Baltimore Battle Bunker's sales are only exceeded by the Chicago Bunker. Games Day in Baltimore will be packed just as it was years ago so long as the negative fall-out from the 2009 Games Day doesn't keep too many people away.

Regarding manufacturing, all US manufacturing is in Memphis now, but not everything sold in the US is made there. Some product is still imported from the UK.