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Mmmmm, drumsticks.

This is the first of the Greater Daemon models I've been unimpressed with.

The wings are featureless and static, the pose is awkward, and the face is remarkably expressionless considering how loudly he appears to be screaming.

Some lovely detail on the skin and the staff, and the coalescing ball of horror in his hand is awesome. But overall, nup, just doesn't do it for me.

Sigh... amazing model but the wings really do ruin it for me... as stated above I think a really amazing paintjob is needed to make this model fit... those wings just need something more D:

IMO I really would have like a more dynamicaly posed model... kind of like when the LoC came into the castle in the WAR preview... A LoC on all four getting howling and getting ready to wreck some face... imo that would have been saweet!

Good model... bad wings..

Moopy wrote:That this is totally going to get killed by the SOB. With a bolter.

It is too bad GW no longer sells Frateris Militia, because that would be an auto-win.

For the Frateris Militia.

I like the staff and horrors that are being summoned. However the pose, especially how the neck is modeled, I do not like. The wings are okay, but the shirt he is wearing seems a bit odd. Just my opinion.

Beak and teeth on an evil god-monster? This thing makes both Darwin and baby Jesus cry.

Really underwhelming for as long as it seemed to take them to sculpt the thing.

I think it looks great. That staff is awesome.

Ozymandias wrote:This model is amazing. Why is it so much bigger than the Bloodthirster though?

If you're going to pay that much money, and 999 points for something, it should be HUGE!

999 points? Ok so it's the baddest of the Greater-Greater Daemons.

I don't know for certain that it's 999 points, but given that they've stuck with the sacred numbers so far (666 for the Slaaneshi one, 777 for the Nurgle one and 888 for An'grath) it stands to reason that it'd be 999 points for the Greater LoC.

Of course, Jervis might have got to them in the meantime and Jervisified the whole lot of them, removing the whole sacred number thing from their minds, so he'll be 1200+ points and have an extra pip of toughness and wounds and an extra psychic power 'cause Warwick can't right rules...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't know for certain that it's 999 points, but given that they're stuck with the sacred numbers so far (666 for the Slaaneshi one, 777 for the Nurgle one and 888 for An'grath) it stands to reason that it'd be 999 points for the Greater LoC.

Apparently, someone on Warseer saw the rules at a GD(I think UK). It IS 999 points, has some weird powers, and can create Horrors.

Termagant wrote:WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what he said

Too static, and too human like.
Good concept on the staff and hand, those i love, but its just a shame they couldnt have worked closer to the GW LOC model.

and with this for only £45, i think ill take this instead (and change the staff )




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Edit: Broken pic, its the Vrok from UF lol

Should get these just to play Chaos in the Old World with

Ehh... the ball of flesh he's making in his hand is cool.. the rest... just gak.

Anyhow.. i'm more interested on the XV9 variant weapons they said they would release ;p

Wow, so much negativity...I think it looks fine, I'm not sure what exactly everyone was expecting.

I love the paintjob, not used to seeing so much color on any GW model, and especially FW.

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, so much negativity...I think it looks fine, I'm not sure what exactly everyone was expecting.

I love the paintjob, not used to seeing so much color on any GW model, and especially FW.

Its just a matter of peoples opinion... The sculpter is the same person who did all the other Greater Daemon, both dragons, both spawns, and the rhinox riders... he has probably done more, but for what he did with all those I personally expected something dynamicaly posed with wings somewhat spread out... Look all the other chaos stuff... All the other daemons are posed to add to the effect of their god (unclean one is rather disturbingly tasting his sword, bloodthirster looks like hes about to rip your head off, keeper looks seductive...) where as this guy is just standing their yelling (without expression) and casting some horrors in the air...

It just could have been better is all.

I think the model looks good. I'd give it a 6.5/10. The wings are the problem, but I don't think anyone has given a real critique. The details on the wings are well done but they're almost too posed. They are posed like a statue of an angel. They seem to lack the correct proportions of a birds wings due to a lack of definition on the joint in the wing. While I feel the feathers are done well the wings themselves are devoid of character. I do agree with others better posing would have solved the problem, though it would have likely made issues with mass. I think if this same model were 20% smaller, but with more dramatic wings it would have made this a 8.5/10.

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, so much negativity...I think it looks fine, I'm not sure what exactly everyone was expecting.

I love the paintjob, not used to seeing so much color on any GW model, and especially FW.

It's not that it looks Bad per say... It's just not nearly as cool as the previous Greater Daemons they've done. The Thirster and Unclean One are Awesome. The Keeper is pretty darn cool. The Lord is just merely alright.

Except for the summoning hand... That would make for a cool bit to sell separately.

I think the paintjob does it. That much attention to feather detail screams out to me "peacock" in a non-homosexual way. Someone on Warseer mentioned painting it with the color shift colors found on exotic cars and custom paintjobs.

It's a large enough scale it would work.

Buttlerthepug wrote:All the other daemons are posed to add to the effect of their god (unclean one is rather disturbingly tasting his sword, bloodthirster looks like hes about to rip your head off, keeper looks seductive...) where as this guy is just standing their yelling (without expression) and casting some horrors in the air...

It just could have been better is all.

Indeed, it probably could have been better, but that's true of damn near every model GW/FW put out isn't it? There's always room for improvement...

In any case I don't see how you can argue that the others are posed to "add to the effect of their gods", and this one isn't, despite the fact that its arm is stretched to the sky, conjuring a swirling mass of pink and blue flesh. That's not Tzeentchy at all!

Honestly, if it looks too "static", it's probably just because he's a sorcerer and not a kung fu close-combat monster as it was said earlier. Oddly enough I don't see anyone in this thread arguing about the GUO being too "static", and he's literally just sitting on his fat rotting ass with a stupid grin on his face (though I guess that does sum up Nurgle perfectly ). I agree, maybe he could be pointing his staff at something or raising it above his head with both hands, but I think the model works well enough as is, standing authoritatively and pointing in the distance, bellowing an order to his unholy horde of nightmarish (but strangely bright and colorful) minions while summoning even more out of thin air in the palm of his hand!

I dunno, personally I like this model more the more I look at it. If I had the money or the option to get one of the FW greater demons, it would probably be this one. Yeah I know, I'd rather have this one than the bloodthirster.

Great staff, cool idea and execution of summoning more daemons. Nice to see that Tzeentch gets some FW love. Aside from that? Meh... Not a hater, per se, but that model really doesn't make me say, "Wow! I don't care about the cost, I REALLY want one of those".

I'd go with the Ultraforge The Vrock in a heartbeat and use the oh, say, 100GPB difference to figure out a way to go a better staff for The Vrock.

Glad to see Tzeentch get some love, sad to see the execution...

Vale,

JohnS

WOW!!! that thing is so great. iI hope my friend gets one of them he totally loves Tzeentch. And he has always been pissed about that they get no new models and less attention then the rest of the Chaos gods..

over and out avach

Considering just how much I love the KOS and the GUO, I am somewhat underwhelmed by this one.

I really like the staff and the summoned horrors but the big bird himself is somewhat meh.

And it's too damned big. The GGDs should all be similar in scale.

Not much to add to what was already been said... Inferior to other demons, ugly damn boring wings, wouldnt paint it for sure.

I love this model! Hes a big man chicken. I think if painted right the wings would look ok, but when painted just blue.... looks awful. Overall I love all the greater daemons they came up with.

The body is okay, but I don't like the wings either. They look too thick and a bit boring imho.

The staff on the other hand is really cool.

If I had a Tzeentch army I'd buy him.

The skin texture and model are awesome but the wings look very MEH to me. I agree with everyone else it seems and I think it is more due to the static nature of the wings.

While I agree with the blandness of the wings, could you imagine the size of that thing with wings spread out? Youd need a trailer or at least a station waggon to bring that to a game.

All in all, I dont think its alright though. Seen worse from GW, thats for damn sure

But thats the thing... It didnt have to be completely spread out. Look at the BT and the Chaos Dragon... both their wings are partially spread. If they would have even just made the very bottom of the wings opened up and had each indivual feather (or at least a majority of them) sprung out like the normal metal GW one. it would have been so much better.