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**Albatross**

In the words of 'Across 110th Street': 'You don't know what you'll do 'til your put under pressure'.

If someone did that to my family I would probably chase them and kill them. It would be easy to 'lose the plot' in a situation like that. It doesn't make it right, but I think it's fairly understandable - I think they factored this in when sentencing them by the sound of it. Under normal circumstances attempted murder would carry a heavier sentence, wouldn't it? I don't know - I've never 'attempted to kill' some one.

**Kilkrazy**

A cricket bat is fine for hitting people as long as you take proper care of it.

**filbert**

What like apply linseed oil after every swing?

**Empchild**

Kilkrazy wrote:A cricket bat is fine for hitting people as long as you take proper care of it.

lol, but seriously whenyou consider the guy was inthe moment, and adreniline(however it is spelled) took over, I cannot blame him for chasing the robber down and well beating him to death. For all of you tree huggers saying it is excessive, well lets see what happens with you next time this happens to your family. You see blood, and you won't stop till you have it. I honestly for one say CHEERS I'd like to buy him a beer!

**Frazzled**

Albatross wrote:In the words of 'Across 110th Street': 'You don't know what you'll do 'til your put under pressure'.

If someone did that to my family I would probably chase them and kill them. It would be easy to 'lose the plot' in a situation like that. It doesn't make it right, but I think it's fairly understandable - I think they factored this in when sentencing them by the sound of it. Under normal circumstances attempted murder would carry a heavier sentence, wouldn't it? I don't know - I've never 'attempted to kill' some one.

Hence my argument of real world mitigating circumstances. There WAS a crime here, but the law and prosecutors have gradations accordingly. Also, at least in the US, there is the concept of "jury nullification."

May I be the first to say "If the kricket bat does not fit, you must acquit."

**Altered_Soul**

As long as the BGs are brought to true justice, no matter what has happened, for what they commited, I don't care about the cricket-bat wielder. I would go to prison to protect my family, as long as I made sure the BG went for longer, or never had the opportunity to commit his crimes again.

**Frazzled**

Of course, to play devil's advocate here, we can't have people gallavanting around playing vigilante.*

*The above statement does not apply to Texas, as we sure can here, and God help you if you steal a cow...

**Altered_Soul**

Frazzled wrote:Of course, to play devil's advocate here, we can't have people gallavanting around playing vigilante.*

*The above statement does not apply to Texas, as we sure can here, and God help you if you steal a cow...

That doesn't stop Batman.

**Frazzled**

Altered_Soul wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Of course, to play devil's advocate here, we can't have people gallavanting around playing vigilante.*

*The above statement does not apply to Texas, as we sure can here, and God help you if you steal a cow...

That doesn't stop Batman.

Thats because Batman is an adopted Texan.

**mattyrm**

I bet is some fether broke into Buck Palace the Guards are under a legal obligation to stove his head in with a rifle butt. Its probably 30 months in jail if you only give the guy a limp.

**Kilkrazy**

You forget the time some loony shot at the Queen when she was on parade. He was lucky not to get bayoneted.

**George Spiggott**

mattyrm wrote:I bet is some fether broke into Buck Palace the Guards are under a legal obligation to stove his head in with a rifle butt. Its probably 30 months in jail if you only give the guy a limp.

They're under orders to hold the suspect until the proper authorities can take the suspect into custody i.e they follow the law. I expect no less from my public servants. The only difference is that they can legitimately point a loaded gun at them, and use it. I'm not sure where they stand in regard to firing upon a fleeing trespasser as they're probably subject to the same 'guidelines' that armed police officer are. Buckingham Palace may also be subject to some of those lovely vague 'terrorism' laws we have.

**Cannerus_The_Unbearable**

Frazzled wrote:
Altered_Soul wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Of course, to play devil's advocate here, we can't have people gallavanting around playing vigilante.*

*The above statement does not apply to Texas, as we sure can here, and God help you if you steal a cow...

That doesn't stop Batman.

Thats because Batman is an adopted Texan.

Remember the Alamo! Don't Tread on Me! Dey took ar jobs! Texan rage

**Mannahnin**

Empchild wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:A cricket bat is fine for hitting people as long as you take proper care of it.

lol, but seriously whenyou consider the guy was inthe moment, and adreniline(however it is spelled) took over, I cannot blame him for chasing the robber down and well beating him to death. For all of you tree huggers saying it is excessive, well lets see what happens with you next time this happens to your family. You see blood, and you won't stop till you have it.

Given what’s described here, I feel confident that I’d do MOST of what these guys did- chase the guy down, and beat him down as a means to/while immobilizing him. What I would not do is bash in his skull while two other guys had held him down. If he did something particularly horrible to my wife or child, that’d be a different story. It would still be a crime, though.

**smiling Assassin**

Yeah I saw this in the paper, was somewhat sickened.

This guy had held your whole family at knifepoint while he rifled your stuff.. what the feth did they expect? I'm just sad the gak didn't get killed in the beating.

sA

**Frazzled**

Mannahnin wrote:
Empchild wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:A cricket bat is fine for hitting people as long as you take proper care of it.

If he did something particularly horrible to my wife or child, that’d be a different story. It would still be a crime, though.

I repsect your view Ragnar. However, 1) breaking into my home when my family is there; 2) tying up my family; 3) terrorizing my family, are each three independent acts that would warrant Provolone Beatdown to moi.

**reds8n**

mattyrm wrote:I bet is some fether broke into Buck Palace the Guards are under a legal obligation to stove his head in with a rifle butt.

*ahem* Michael fagan ring any bells...

In 1982, Queen Elizabeth II woke up to find an unemployed labourer with a bloodied hand and a broken glass ashtray sitting on her bed.

Michael Fagan was (according to his mother) inordinately fond of the Queen. Perhaps this is why he allegedly chose her bedroom as the place he would commit suicide, but apparently then decided that it wasn’t “a nice thing to do” once he arrived. It wasn’t his first break-in to Buckingham Palace - a month previously, he’d wandered around the state rooms, helped himself to half a bottle of white wine, and then left when he was tired. Although the alarm had been raised when he’d been seen climbing the wall, no-one had been able to find Fagan, and he was able to leave without event.

On this occasion, he’d scaled the wall unseen at about 6am and found an open window. He’d wandered though the Palace, looking at portraits, sitting on the throne, picking up a glass ashtray and breaking it before making his way towards the Queen’s apartment. He met a housekeeper on the way who’d bidden him ‘Good Morning’, despite his unkempt appearance (a grubby t-shirt and bloodied hand). The officer who normally guarded the bedroom was out walking the Queen’s dogs.

When the Queen woke, Fagan was sitting on her bed, dripping blood onto the bedlinen. She rang for the police and in the interim very cooly chatted to the intruder about family, making two phone calls requesting police help during their chat. Apparently no-one realised the urgency of the call, and so the Queen was left with her uninvited guest for about 10 minutes before a housemaid entered and exclaimed “Bloody hell Ma’am! What’s he doing in there?!”.

Michael Fagan was charged with theft of half a bottle of wine (charges which were later dropped), and was not charged with any criminal offence. The British press were up in arms about how someone with mental problems was able to effectively walk in to Buckingham Palace - and the Queen’s bedroom.

or the boy Jones

**Frazzled**

Thats because the Queen of England is a tough chick. The coppers knew if he got uppity she'd give him a Shepherd's Pie beatdown.

**Empchild**

Frazzled wrote:Thats because the Queen of England is a tough chick. The coppers knew if he got uppity she'd give him a Shepherd's Pie beatdown.

Oo thats a likely piss it is.

**Bookwrack**

Empchild wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:A cricket bat is fine for hitting people as long as you take proper care of it.

lol, but seriously whenyou consider the guy was inthe moment, and adreniline(however it is spelled) took over, I cannot blame him for chasing the robber down and well beating him to death. For all of you tree huggers saying it is excessive, well lets see what happens with you next time this happens to your family. You see blood, and you won't stop till you have it.

Of course that's a load of bs that only applies if you believe in the 'hulk smash' lobe of the brain. Probably a contributor to events like this one though.

**JohnHwangDD**

@OP: I'm an American, living in the Western states. Without question, my home *is* my castle.

California has strong "Castle doctrine" as settled law, and I have no qualms or compunctions about killing any criminal in my home. I will do anything to protect my family, and that's just as simple as it gets.
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Mannahnin wrote:Given what’s described here, I feel confident that I’d do MOST of what these guys did- chase the guy down, and beat him down as a means to/while immobilizing him. What I would not do is bash in his skull while two other guys had held him down. If he did something particularly horrible to my wife or child, that’d be a different story. It would still be a crime, though.

He had the family at knifepoint.

But you're completely right that it'd be wrong to bash his skull in with a cricket bat...

... fecking curb-stomp his head in.

**reds8n**

Frazzled wrote:Thats because the Queen of England is a tough chick. The coppers knew if he got uppity she'd give him a Shepherd's Pie beatdown.

The Shepherd's Pie beatdown is only allowed when she or her family are in Wales by ancient decree. When in Scotland is is known as a Cottage Pie beatdown ( similar but beef based) and when in England this would be known as sending him "up the Swany" as that's what they-- and only they-- are allowed to eat and it also results in a broken arm, just like any encounter with said tough old bird.

Swans I mean there at the end, not the Queen.

**JohnHwangDD**

Good lord, could you at least make an attempt to post in English, reds8tn?

**Empchild**

Bookwrack wrote:

Of course that's a load of bs that only applies if you believe in the 'hulk smash' lobe of the brain. Probably a contributor to events like this one though.

Spoken like a true kid. You obviously don't have a family because if you did you could see where this guy is comming from. I have seen "battle frenzy" granted it was in a actual battle overseas the same center of your brain still comes into question. Plan and simple and any real family "MAN" would agree if you feth with my household I will kill you and im not afraid to go to jail. Because no jury in this country would convict someone on the count of 2nd degree murder for that. Namely because it was an invasion into his home, and he could plead insanity. That said the incident was in UK but that was a What If.

**Lord-Loss**

I got mixed feelings about this. The guy threatened his family, so I think he Is in the clear if only he, and he son chased after him and beat him to near death. But four people beating someone to death? Thats too far.

Also he broke the bat in three pieces! That means it broke in two first then he broke it again!

**JohnHwangDD**

Lord-Loss wrote:I got mixed feelings about this. The guy threatened his family, so I think he Is in the clear if only he, and he son chased after him and beat him to near death. But four people beating someone to death? Thats too far.

Also he broke the bat in three pieces! That means it broke in two first then he broke it again!

If I had a bat, I'd break it off...
... up his ass.

And "too far"? Obviously, you're not an American.

**Mannahnin**

There's a line somewhere. Maybe it varies from person to person, but based on the details of this incident, I can see where the judge was coming from.

**Frazzled**

reds8n wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Thats because the Queen of England is a tough chick. The coppers knew if he got uppity she'd give him a Shepherd's Pie beatdown.

The Shepherd's Pie beatdown is only allowed when she or her family are in Wales by ancient decree. When in Scotland is is known as a Cottage Pie beatdown ( similar but beef based) and when in England this would be known as sending him "up the Swany" as that's what they-- and only they-- are allowed to eat and it also results in a broken arm, just like any encounter with said tough old bird.

Swans I mean there at the end, not the Queen.

Wait if Scotland I thought it was the 'Haggis Hodown?'

**Lord-Loss**

Is Fateweaver banned, as usually he would be all over a topic like this, claiming people should be able to take the law into their own hands...

**reds8n**

Frazzled wrote:
reds8n wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Thats because the Queen of England is a tough chick. The coppers knew if he got uppity she'd give him a Shepherd's Pie beatdown.

The Shepherd's Pie beatdown is only allowed when she or her family are in Wales by ancient decree. When in Scotland is is known as a Cottage Pie beatdown ( similar but beef based) and when in England this would be known as sending him "up the Swany" as that's what they-- and only they-- are allowed to eat and it also results in a broken arm, just like any encounter with said tough old bird.

Swans I mean there at the end, not the Queen.

Wait if Scotland I thought it was the 'Haggis Hodown?'

That is something completely different and should only be attempted by trained experts with protective gear and only ever as a last resort.

Or on Fridays, just after the pubs shut.

It's still illegal in no less than 15 states yourside of the pond as well.