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Noisy_Marine wrote:No no I fail at life for entirely different reasons unrelated to how many models I own.

Ditto

Empchild wrote:

"There" is when describing a place "Their" is a person and where are you even getting this from. Look up those in a dictionary then come back. Also not casting judgement yet again so read the whole forum before you cast judgement. Because all you are doing is trolling atm. Also Solorg good points you made.

Empchild wrote:Now their is exceptions to every rule, hell my uncle lives in a 6000 sq ft home in IL and is a VP of a banking Corp.

Empchild wrote:My little women and I travel with our dogs, not like others but we do get a trip in here and their...

Empchild wrote:...and they have nothing to show for it so I agree with you their

I ask, because apparently you don't know the difference.

I read the whole thread, don't assume I didn't. I drew my conclusions from reading it. It is not trolling to call you out on the position you take in a discussion, or to attempt correct some of your grammar and spelling. If you don't want to get flak about your post, be more coherent in your original question.

boogeyman, we are communicating across a written medium. The only way we present ourselves is through our words. If someone can't be bothered to use simple punctuation and a spell check, I'm not sure why I should be bothered to engage in the discussion they want to have.

In response to the actual question, the idea of 'failure' is completely subjective. What is 'failure' or 'success'? Ultimately, it comes down to the individual to decide the value of their life.

Models are never the cause, but they can be a symptom.

Everyone in our group - myself included - are single, unemployed and we all live in our respective parent's basements. We regulary attend comic and Star Trek conventions as well, although my Captain Picard costume (he's better than Kirk) is getting a big tight on the old cheeto-gut these days.

Oh... wait... no... none of that is true. Becuase that's a stupid over-done tired-as-all-hell stereotype.

I don't live with my parents. In fact, only two in our group still live at home, and in the case of one of them he's only just finished his first year of Uni. Half the people in our group are married.

This thread is stupid.

How do you measure success?
Is the happy 45 yr. old living with mommy less successful than the 45 yr. fella' marriedd, broke & miserable...
Really, how do you measure success?

Zio wrote:How do you measure success?
Is the happy 45 yr. old living with mommy less successful than the 45 yr. fella' marriedd, broke & miserable...
Really, how do you measure success?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_fitness

For starters, your title is a troll title.

Second, saying someone "fails at life" or simply the phrase "you fail" or "fail!" has become so hackneyed it's just silly to use it anymore.

Anyhoo, on topic... I thoroughly doubt that model count is directly related to one's success in life. Simply because there are so many other factors. Also, what can be seen as a "fail" to one person could be a great success to another. So interpretation and point of view comes into play too. Some just like to paint or model, and as such may have more models than others just because they are in the hobby for painting. Others have armies, and while they may like their options ("shall I go with the Necrons or the SM??") they generally don't have more than a couple armies, perhaps selling off rarely-used or "old" armies that they don't have much of an interest in to finance a new army.

As to do I fail at life with my current model count? Hell no. Girlfriend + motivation to succeed/do my best (something hard to come by in Highschool, we'll see if I can hold onto that motivation until I graduate and can finally enlist...) topped off with a good social situation and lots of things to do in my spare time makes me a happy camper.

It's hard to not make generalizations in this situation, and I apologize if anyone is in any way offended...

Rico...

Read the initial post I have to say there's a fundamental disconnect between the two factors. There might be a correlation in some individual instances, but its not causal. It's true that individuals who have poor social skills or are "maturity challenged" might hyper-focus on hobbies and spend more, but success is widely defined, and in the end it comes down to the individual's priorities and commitments.

Hey everybody, I'm not a loser.

I'm 6'1", play collegiate football, have a 4.0 GPA, scored 99.99% percentile on the LSAT, have two girlfriends and have a part-time job as a underwear model.

Everybody look at how much I'm not a loser.

Troll thread.



Your the best *ha-ahh-AHH*

Nothings ever gunna keep you down.

Your the best *ha-ahh-AHH*

Nothings ever gunna keep you down.

Na-naa-ana-naa-naa-naa-NAHH NAHH....

avantgarde wrote:Hey everybody, I'm not a loser.

I'm 6'1", play collegiate football, have a 4.0 GPA, scored 99.99% percentile on the LSAT, have two girlfriends and have a part-time job as a underwear model.

Everybody look at how much I'm not a loser.

Do your girlfriends know about the other?


Back to the post. I don't think the original poster ment it to be serious. I think he was trying to make it funny or light hearted, but failed with the title. I see why people got offended with the title. But I think he ment the sterotypical what people think of the gamers community. Basicaly most people summed it up. When you are single and living at the parents home, you have lots of expendable cash, but once in a relationship or married, that expendable income for most people are gone. What people do in their spare time is different for everyone. As one poster said, some people, paint, others get hammered and drunk.

I will kill...again...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I will kill...again...

I don't get it.

You all suck.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forum_Spelling_and_Grammar_Guide

Anyway, judging someone for the level of their interests might also make one a failure at life. Just saying.

(Said the man with the post count).

@avantgarde Shouldn't it be an underwear model? Geez what a loser. just kidding. Your quote makes me laugh too. BTW thanks for the book recommendation, unfortunately the book store was picked through.

Compared to my brother, who has been married and divorced four times and been in and out of jail? His main problem, as far as I can tell, is that he's never had a hobby. (Strip clubs don't count) If he'd had some source of validation besides trying and failing at what he was raised to see as "Success" in life, he might be a much happier person. Or at least not so much of a dud. Or is MGS just trying to find his own source of shallow external validation?

warpcrafter wrote:Compared to my brother, who has been married and divorced four times and been in and out of jail? His main problem, as far as I can tell, is that he's never had a hobby. (Strip clubs don't count) If he'd had some source of validation besides trying and failing at what he was raised to see as "Success" in life, he might be a much happier person. Or at least not so much of a dud. Or is MGS just trying to find his own source of shallow external validation?

I was going to say, he must have THOUSANDS of miniatures!

Emp, I was never getting at the amount someone makes through their job. If anything, someone who makes more money would surely have more to spend on models and therefore a higher model count. Am I right?

People on lower incomes may spend their money on models as it is a way to get out of their normal routine for a few hours, and have a battle and a good time with people who aren't going to judge them based on income or circumstance. Just because you don't make much money and spend what you make or can spare on modelling doesn't mean that's you fixed on that path for life. How long do you reckon you'll be collecting models for?

Anyway, I reckon this thread will get locked soon enough, and I'll not miss it.

Two-Step wrote:He who dies with the most toys wins!!!

Everyone knows a gamer isn't allowed to die(barring accidents or murder) until everything he/she owns is painted.

Therefore, don't paint, just buy.

H.B.M.C. wrote:This thread is stupid.

I wouldn't go that far. I would say it really could've used a little more thought at inception, though. At least he's now straightened out 'morning' and 'mourning.'

lord_blackfang wrote:Models are never the cause, but they can be a symptom.

This. It's not the number of models, but what else are they doing? There are plenty of sick, sad people out there who have never even touched a miniature, but they bury themselves in other ways, like playing an MMORPG every waking hour. That doesn't make MMORPGs 'bad,' or people who play a few hours every day 'losers' but any sort of fixation on a single activity to the exclusion of others is a sign of something unhealthy.

Empchild wrote:
Then I considered my FLGS that I have been a part of in my travels across the country, and thought hrmm, "all of the people who had the coolest stuff were single, and 7 times out of 10 lived at home with mom"

The plural of 'anecdotes' is not data, especially not ones are pulled out of thin air.

I don't think so.

However, I have a TON of models, most of which are unpainted, so I guess it could be considered a fail...

I dont think Im a loser... US Army MAJ, married, the whole deal, no kids though.

How many people here grew up looking at the cool stuff in White Dwarf or other players armies and thought to themselves when Im done with school or have a good job Im getting that, then when they do they dont stop.

Thats my MO. Not to mention my "when this deployment is over" splurges.

They quantity I own is slowed. But I think that is more of a stubborn resistance to selling anything. As bad as I ever needed it would a couple hundred ever have given me more enjoyment than the models...not really.

Sometimes during a road march or some really gakky exercies Ill think of a conversion or model I want to paint/assemble then do. Plus its always more fun to expand an army than to start over, well for me anyway.

Yes Brother! I spent so much damn time in high school talking about saving up for a predator and never actually doing it. Now, I buy it if I want!!

Also, I'm definitely not a failure!! I live in Hawaii!!

What's the weather like everywhere else right now?

rdlb wrote:Yes Brother! I spent so much damn time in high school talking about saving up for a predator and never actually doing it. Now, I buy it if I want!!

Also, I'm definitely not a failure!! I live in Hawaii!!

What's the weather like everywhere else right now?

Negative nine in balmy Minnesota.

I haaaate you.

Rico...

Apply the Reverse Golden Rule:

If you don't want to be a loser, don't assume that someone else is.

Or something like that.

I'm a failure at life:

20 year old virgin (always get stuck in the friend zone and too shy for my own good) who is most likely going to get kicked out of school next week (3rd year engineering student, had a very bad semester), which is most likely going to result in me also getting kicked out of AFROTC (failure to meet retention standards at both the school and @ rotc).

Does it have anything to do with the hobby? No, not as far as I can tell.

My wife pointed out a GW store to me for the first time when there was only one in the US more than 20 years ago. Since then she has been an "enabler" for my addiction to GW models. If it wasn't for her I'd probably have a fraction of the models I own. Since our son got into the hobby too a few years ago we now spend more time and money on GW stuff than ever.

Its just a hobby man. Sure Im sure there are a larger portion of your classic "parents basement 30 year old types" involved but that is simply the source material. Take fantasy football for example. Sure its a different material but it has the same effect. I have a friend who was in 4 different leagues. Streamed all the games on weekends and was basically unreachable because of it.

So no its not the hobby itself but the sense of escapism that people get from it. It can apply to other things as well.

There are also other ways to ruin your life. Warhammer and other escapist hobbies arnt the only way.

For example, in 2008 I was at a University. Lived on my own, had a girlfriend, and was well on my way to success right? Well no, I was so burned out on school that I was miserable. I was horribly in debt. I failed one semester, ruined my relationship, gained a whole bunch of weight, and eventually dropped out. So now I moved home and am single and working my ass off to be out of debt and I consider myself in a much better place then I was. One more payment to put down and Im debt free and im almost back to my original weight. Plus Im starting school in the fall. But wait I play warhammer so I must be a failure right?

Things are not always what they seem. I was miserable and in horrible shape when it would appear to everyone else that I was on the fast track to a good life. However when I moved home and got my gak together and got a good job I suddenly found myself in a better place in life. I also live in my parents basement and play warhammer.

So really, it is what you make of it.

Something tells me this thread is gonna get offed like a old dog soon.

I feared it would turn troll. :/

In my opinion its perspective... Success in life, is what you believe is successful for you. Some people enjoy life by collecting miniatures... I garentee none of us look down on ourselves because we collect models... We dont look at ourselves as failures because of this... Other people however might think that its "lame" to collect minis and when they see us they think we fail at life... To them, maybe collecting minis is a giant failure at life... to us, its something we enjoy doing and why should we think it ourselves, and change because of someone elses judgement?

Some people will take offense to others perspective on this and try to hide that they collect models. They probably still dont think that they themselves are a failure, just that maybe they want to keep their own reputation and because of everyone elses judgement of being a failure... its best to keep it locked away.

IMO your not a failure based on how many models you have or even jsut being in the hobby itself.

If you enjoy doing what you do... you have already succeeded at life