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If you believe he moved your squad that is a huge cheat. I would avoid playing him in the future.

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I've dealt with my share of cheats, a Nid player was using his warrior squads with deathspitters and was rolling the scatter die at BS 4, when I rolled dice would point out that several dice I knocked into and before were misses when clearly they weren't, hell even went as far as when moving models would move them several extra inches as per measuring to the distance first then taking the model and putting it in the middle of the selected point, not from base edge to base edge.After the game several friends pointed out his maneuvers and I told them I caught on right away but I wanted the satisfaction of crushing him even with his cheating.

Later on at a tournament the judges saw his same things and he got the justice he deserved, auto loss and ban from next tourney.

I love playing Cheaters...and Beating them!

Albatross wrote:Shooting into combat? Seriously? The 5th Ed rulebook explicitly states that you can NEVER fire directly into combat. What a tosser.

Unless you're a Vindicare assassin.

Ya sounds lame. I have a problem atm with people using 4th ed becuase they lack the funds for a new rule book. I am new so its hard to call bs. I am getting tired of going home to a loss when it shopuld be a win I challenge everything now.

ounumen wrote:Ya sounds lame. I have a problem atm with people using 4th ed becuase they lack the funds for a new rule book. I am new so its hard to call bs. I am getting tired of going home to a loss when it shopuld be a win I challenge everything now.

If you have the money for an army, you have the money for a rulebook.

Ahh... the economy has gone into the crapper recently. It is quite possible that someone purchased an army in better days, and now can no longer afford new stuff.

Vulcan wrote:Ahh... the economy has gone into the crapper recently. It is quite possible that someone purchased an army in better days, and now can no longer afford new stuff.

Speaking as someone who has been unemployed during most of the time of the time since 5th was released, it is kind of hard to imagine someone who is dedicated enough to have collected an army and continued to play the game and yet has not at least had the time to borrow a friend's copy of 5th and familiarize themselves with the new rule set.

Zomro wrote:Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but he also cheated you on deployment. If you were playing Dawn of War, you only get two troops and an HQ. Warbosses cannot get retinues. So he deployed an extra unit on you on top of everything else (that is, if I read that correct, 2 boyz mobs, warboss + nobz).

You don't get retinues in DoW? How so? What do they count as then?

Um, if you're playing Dawn of War, and you are referring to the DoW setup rules, someone must have a 5ed Rulebook.

Dawn of War setup wasn't in 4th...

I have to say that if you think someone is cheating you then you need to stop playing them. But you have a responsibility to have the rules. So frankly I would say that you are both wrong at this point.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Zomro wrote:Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but he also cheated you on deployment. If you were playing Dawn of War, you only get two troops and an HQ. Warbosses cannot get retinues. So he deployed an extra unit on you on top of everything else (that is, if I read that correct, 2 boyz mobs, warboss + nobz).

You don't get retinues in DoW? How so? What do they count as then?

You most certainly get to deploy a character + his retinue as a single HQ unit in the Dawn of War deployment.
The problem here is that the Nobz cannot count as a Retinue. It simply isn't an option anymore.

Alpharius Walks wrote:

Vulcan wrote:Ahh... the economy has gone into the crapper recently. It is quite possible that someone purchased an army in better days, and now can no longer afford new stuff.

Speaking as someone who has been unemployed during most of the time of the time since 5th was released, it is kind of hard to imagine someone who is dedicated enough to have collected an army and continued to play the game and yet has not at least had the time to borrow a friend's copy of 5th and familiarize themselves with the new rule set.

I'll give you that.

Just walk away laughing, if its that important to him to feel good about himself by cheating to win a game of essentially "toy soldiers" then realy, just feel good in yourself for making his sad life a little brighter!

It's not life or death.

I have tried to teach my kids that if you enjoy yourself you both win, even if you only end up by playing half the rules right and winging the other half!

True. Thanks everyone, and I was just whining a bit. Thanks for explanations of the rules and I'll try to pick up an Ed. 5 Rule book!

Praetor_of_Ultramar wrote:True. Thanks everyone, and I was just whining a bit. Thanks for explanations of the rules and I'll try to pick up an Ed. 5 Rule book!

Good on you for ending the game BTW.

DoW is my least favorite deployment (read: I really dislike DoW... ), and I almost always have to refer to the RB to check on something while deploying. Having the RB, or at least having access to it while gaming, is essential to avoid disputes like this. I can understand why someone would not have memorized every single rule, backwards and forwards, not exactly uncommon even amongst experienced players.

The TFG you were playing was obviously trying to cheat you at a game of toy soldier shoot-em up time. Let him find other people to play with.

Praetor_of_Ultramar wrote:I then went to go check the store's copy of the Ork Codex, and when I returned, my tac squad was out of range of the objective they've been in base contact with for one turn.

Oh wow.

When I read stuff like this I always wonder about the age of the cheaters involved.

I cant believe how polite people are. Tell him is a feth head and play someone else.

Seriously, why are you still playing with this guy? Just talk to him, call him out calmly, then tell everyone in the store to watch out for that. If he doesn't change, he becomes an outcast. It's not mean when he brings it upon himself, and only proper peer pressure can change him.

If you let him get away with it just so you can get a game on, he brings down your gaming community far more than his presence as a possible opponent adds to it. What's more, he can drive away potential new players with his actions.

theres a kid down my flgs that seem to live by these rules

lol