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minigun762 wrote:

rdlb wrote:No no no, use the Sternguard, the melta shots will bring down the birds, and the higher number of attacks or the hell fire shells will be great against the passengers next turn.

Go with the Sternguard/Vulkan in a pod!

I'm not sure what this squad can do that a MM Dread/Heavy Flamer/Pod can't do for cheaper.

Use Combat Squads to kill two vehicles instead of one.

minigun762 wrote:

rdlb wrote:No no no, use the Sternguard, the melta shots will bring down the birds, and the higher number of attacks or the hell fire shells will be great against the passengers next turn.

Go with the Sternguard/Vulkan in a pod!

I'm not sure what this squad can do that a MM Dread/Heavy Flamer/Pod can't do for cheaper.

Get ten times as many melta shots and maybe have a chance at surviving another turn. Those are likely melta vets in those birds, and will end a lone dreadnought quickly.

Fair enough, but I still think that trying to gear up Sternguard to be uber-Termicide is a waste of their primary function which is shooting fancy Bolters.

With MM Attack Bikes, Speeders, Dreads and a wide variety of long(er) range anti-tank firepower, I don't really worry too much about Codex Marines' ability to kill AV12.

Remember that using up the Melta part of their Combi-Melta won't interfere with them using the Bolter part to mow down Imperial Guardsmen with relative impunity after the skimmers have been shot down.

However, I'd say that you'd do better than either Dreadnoughts or Sternguard if you used a couple of Land Speeders to hunt down the Imperial Guard skimmers. Equip them with Assault Cannons, and they can hunt tanks, light vehicles, and even infantry with hideous effectiveness. Remember that an Assault Cannon is more reliable than a Lascannon at destroying AV12 vehicles, and has the potential to do more damage. The usual problem of Assault Cannons on Terminators and Dreadnoughts (short range) is obviated by the Land Speeder's mobility. All damage will be penetrating thanks to the Rending rule.

Thanks for the advice guys.

I like the Sterns because he has so many meltas and heavy fire power himself that vehicles and dreads don't last very long. I have always considered that unit a suicide one but if I can drop enough birds in that round it would be worth it. the problem is getting enough penetrating results that he has to take one on multiple birds. With him allocating hits he can save some birds.

...then I have to survive the melta vets and demo charges he has inside.