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ShumaGorath wrote:Pretty good. Hopefully it'll become thick enough to choke them to death soon.

Look and learn, boys and girls. The true face of intolerance.

"Think like me or you need to die".

The Green Git wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Pretty good. Hopefully it'll become thick enough to choke them to death soon.

Look and learn, boys and girls. The true face of intolerance.

"Think like me or you need to die".

Intolerance is not inherently bad. You are intolerant of terrorists, I am intolerant of terrorists and idiotic self serving tools (and a fantastic range of other things. I am a fething hateful person).

Bah, NO was god's wrath, so was Aids,so was Hitler, according to those nuts. Worship at home, that's what me and my wife do. One of my big regrets is, besides being a bully in high school, I got caught up in christan rage and spending a few years running off and beating up wiccans. Even mentioning it makes me ashamed. I'm out.

Damn, and I thought his stupidity was going to get a pass when I didn't notice it as a thread over the past couple days......

sexiest_hero wrote:Bah, NO was god's wrath, so was Aids,so was Hitler, according to those nuts. Worship at home, that's what me and my wife do. One of my big regrets is, besides being a bully in high school, I got caught up in christan rage and spending a few years running off and beating up wiccans. Even mentioning it makes me ashamed. I'm out.

Wow so behaving like a neo nazi skin head is called "Christian Rage" now. That's hardly Christian behavior. So what you should do is call it ideological rage and not Christian rage because true Christian's don't go around in rages and beat up anybody. And before anyone starts bringing up crusades, segregation and so forth, just remember that many people claim Christianity that aren't.

GG

edit..and by the way... Pat Robertson doesn't represent my Christian beliefs when he makes ignorant comments like these. I find it shamefull in fact.

generalgrog wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Bah, NO was god's wrath, so was Aids,so was Hitler, according to those nuts. Worship at home, that's what me and my wife do. One of my big regrets is, besides being a bully in high school, I got caught up in christan rage and spending a few years running off and beating up wiccans. Even mentioning it makes me ashamed. I'm out.

Wow so behaving like a neo nazi skin head is called "Christian Rage" now. That's hardly Christian behavior. So what you should do is call it ideological rage and not Christian rage because true Christian's don't go around in rages and beat up anybody. And before anyone starts bringing up crusades, segregation and so forth, just remember that many people claim Christianity that aren't.

GG

edit..and by the way... Pat Robertson doesn't represent my Christian beliefs when he makes ignorant comments like these. I find it shamefull in fact.

Way to restate exactly what sexiest_hero said, just with personal attacks mixed in. Kudos.

As for Pat Robertson, hell, he is not as bad as Rush Limbaugh.

Altered_Soul wrote:As for Pat Robertson, hell, he is not as bad as Rush Limbaugh.

No, he is worse. At least Rush Limbaugh is entertaining...and the man enjoys cigars...

Altered_Soul wrote:

generalgrog wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Bah, NO was god's wrath, so was Aids,so was Hitler, according to those nuts. Worship at home, that's what me and my wife do. One of my big regrets is, besides being a bully in high school, I got caught up in christan rage and spending a few years running off and beating up wiccans. Even mentioning it makes me ashamed. I'm out.

Wow so behaving like a neo nazi skin head is called "Christian Rage" now. That's hardly Christian behavior. So what you should do is call it ideological rage and not Christian rage because true Christian's don't go around in rages and beat up anybody. And before anyone starts bringing up crusades, segregation and so forth, just remember that many people claim Christianity that aren't.

GG

edit..and by the way... Pat Robertson doesn't represent my Christian beliefs when he makes ignorant comments like these. I find it shamefull in fact.

Way to restate exactly what sexiest_hero said, just with personal attacks mixed in. Kudos.

As for Pat Robertson, hell, he is not as bad as Rush Limbaugh.

Are you reading a different post somewhere in bizarro world? What I posted is nothing like what that guy did and no personal attacks.

GG

JEB_Stuart wrote:

Altered_Soul wrote:As for Pat Robertson, hell, he is not as bad as Rush Limbaugh.

No, he is worse. At least Rush Limbaugh is entertaining...and the man enjoys cigars...

I meant regarding Haiti, look up Limbaughs comments. Not entertaining in the least.

generalgrog wrote:Are you reading a different post somewhere in bizarro world? What I posted is nothing like what that guy did and no personal attacks.

GG

I beg of you, try reading S_Hs post again and then read yours. He is mentioning about how is blindness under a "Christian" cause led him to things he doesn't believe is "Christian". Then you singled him out for expressing how Christians aren't all bloodsucking aholes, while saying that Christians aren't all bloodsucking aholes. Seems pretty similar to me.

Listen, i dont want to start a flamewar about Religion, heck, after talking to such pleasent subtle cultured believers like JEB here, i dont have any real issues with religious people other than Creationists (think of the childrens minds!) and Islamonazi's but come on GG, you cant use the old "No true Scotsman" Argument.

If the Crusaders werent "real" Christians, then what were they? Muslims?

mattyrm wrote:If the Crusaders werent "real" Christians, then what were they? Muslims?

From what I have learned recently, glowing red things meant to be stabbed in the face with a hidden blade. Easily avoided by sitting on a bench and looking emo.

I think the Crusades happened because no one could agree how to pronounce Acre.

generalgrog wrote: So what you should do is call it ideological rage and not Christian rage because true Christian's don't go around in rages and beat up anybody. And before anyone starts bringing up crusades, segregation and so forth, just remember that many people claim Christianity that aren't..

Yeah, everyone hates those false Scotsmen.

Altered_Soul wrote:I beg of you, try reading S_Hs post again and then read yours. He is mentioning about how is blindness under a "Christian" cause led him to things he doesn't believe is "Christian". Then you singled him out for expressing how Christians aren't all bloodsucking aholes, while saying that Christians aren't all bloodsucking aholes. Seems pretty similar to me.

No he called what he did "Christian rage", and I know he said that he realized that he was wrong when he did those things, and I also know what he was trying to say.

The point I was making, that you missed, was that to call that "Christian rage" is incorrect since it wasn't a Christian thing to do. Much like the skin heads do when they talk about "Christian Identity" to justify their racial superiority. It is not a Christian viewpoint, so therefore it isn't Christian.

I was simply educating, not intending to offend anyone.

GG

generalgrog wrote:No he called what he did "Christian rage", and I know he said that he realized that he was wrong when he did those things, and I also know what he was trying to say.

The point I was making, that you missed, was that to call that "Christian rage" is incorrect since it wasn't a Christian thing to do. Much like the skin heads do when they talk about "Christian Identity" to justify their racial superiority. It is not a Christian viewpoint, so therefore it isn't Christian.

I was simply educating, not intending to offend anyone.

GG

Except you are stereotyping all Christians, and Christian beliefs, as non-violent. Which ironically missed the point entirely. Hence why people are picking on your comment.

mattyrm wrote:Listen, i dont want to start a flamewar about Religion, heck, after talking to such pleasent subtle cultured believers like JEB here, i dont have any real issues with religious people other than Creationists (think of the childrens minds!) and Islamonazi's but come on GG, you cant use the old "No true Scotsman" Argument.

If the Crusaders werent "real" Christians, then what were they? Muslims?

See... the thing you are missing is just because someone raises there hand and says "Hey look at me I'm a Christian" doesn't mean they really are one. They may be classified that way through some sort of census or some such thing. But Christianity is a heart and soul thing not a "lip service" thing.

Jesus talks about this sort of thing all the time in the gospels about hypocrites and wolves in sheeps clothing.

GG

edit..copy paste didnt work sigh..

See... the thing you are missing is just because someone raises there hand and says "Hey look at me I'm a Christian" doesn't mean they really are one.

Given that it's a broad terminology used to explain those who believe in the christ and at least portions of christian ideology it's rather difficult for me to understand the concept of "true believers". There are bad christians, just as good ones, being poor at following the tenets of a faith doesn't preclude you from it unless thats a basic tenet of the religion itself. Which in christianity it most certainly is not.

Listen, i dont want to start a flamewar about Religion

Keep in mind, if you had good points to make it wouldn't be a flame war. Believing that your own opinions will start one means this is either an incredibly polar community or your opinions are at times incredibly derisive (in actuality it's the second one).

generalgrog wrote:See... the thing you are missing is just because someone raises there hand and says "Hey look at me I'm a Christian" doesn't mean they really are one. They may be classified that way through some sort of census or some such thing. But Christianity is a heart and soul thing not a "lip service" thing.

Jesus talks about this sort of thing all the time in the gospels about hypocrites and wolves in sheeps clothing.

GG

Ok, we are done here, moving on. Clearly you can't see through the mist of your own conviction. No True Scotsman indeed.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Keep in mind, if you had good points to make it wouldn't be a flame war. Believing that your own opinions will start one means this is either an incredibly polar community or your opinions are at times incredibly derisive (in actuality it's the second one).

Totally agree with this, as long the proponents are respectful then heated debate is just fine and can be quite beneficial.

GG


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Altered_Soul wrote:Except you are stereotyping all Christians, and Christian beliefs, as non-violent. Which ironically missed the point entirely. Hence why people are picking on your comment.

OK trying this again.

What I was trying to do was illustrate (and apparantly doing a very poor job of it) that someone performing an ideological hate crime in the name of Christianity is not Christianity. Christians do fall into sin, of course we all know this. But to use Christianity to justify an ideology much like Al queda and the Taliban use Islam to justify their ideology is not what Christianity is about.

For example the neo nazi skin heads believe themselves to be Christians through their cult called "Identity" these cultic teachings, teach that the white race is superior and therefore justifies their hate and rage as "protecting the white race". If you think you that havng a "boot party" on some defenseless Jew or immigrant is somehow Christianity then I suggest you read the four gospels of the Bible to educate yourself.

GG

What I was trying to do was illustrate (and apparantly doing a very poor job of it) that someone performing an ideological hate crime in the name of Christianity is not Christianity.

Christianity is just a collection of people. A religion can be viewed by the aggregate actions of it's practitioners because it can't be rated on it's own merits. Those methods are ethereal and only exist because of their practitioners. During the time of the crusades the christian religion was a violent and repressive one.

Frazzled wrote:Christians are not a monolith.

They do have AV14 all the way around a "living metal" rule still though right ?

No but they are powered by the holy spirit. Ba dum dum!

*pun to do with "We'll be back" or resurrection orb placeholder here*

Hey hey hey lets not insult christian and the church just cause some guy said something thats is conterversial.
were not all like that.

No one has posted this yet? Really?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/01/white-house-says-haiti-statements-by-robertson-and-limbaugh-are-really-stupid.html

Said Gibbs when asked about the comments, “it never ceases to amaze that in times of amazing human suffering somebody says something that could be so utterly stupid. But it like clockwork happens with some regularity.”

On his show Wednesday, Limbaugh was asked by a caller about the president urging Americans to go to Whitehouse.gov to contribute to the Red Cross to help Haitians.

“Would you trust that the money is going to go to Haiti?” Limbaugh said. “Would you trust that your name is going to end up on a mailing list for the Obama people to start asking you for campaign donations for him and other causes?”

What?

i just think limbaugh and robertson are cancers to american society

^ just like moore.

isthatmycow wrote:i just think limbaugh and robertson are cancers to american society

You said essentially the same thing about conservative Protestant Christians...so what isn't a cancer?

I hate superstition and ignorance with passion.That man is WRONG.

Google westburo baptist church.

This and that are why I am Pagan. More atheist though. :/

So you let minority religion idiots like the WestBuro Baptist Church rule your beliefs?