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I'd be more scared of a mummy than a horde of zombies. Haven't you watched The Mummy? He can make his own undead minions and doesn't need anything more than his mind.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Cheese Elemental wrote:I'd be more scared of a mummy than a horde of zombies. Haven't you watched The Mummy? He can make his own undead minions and doesn't need anything more than his mind.
Yes,but I wonder if those "undead minions" qaulify as "zombies",not so much in the "Romero" definition,but in the "corpses bound by magic to do their masters will" definition.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
They're not zombies, true, but they're still undead.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Oh, don't worry Cheese, I agree entirely that people who actually have plans for a Zombie invasion are a little bit out there. However, just like the other genres you mentioned, it's something that's amusing to consider and think about.
Though I have to agree. The Mummy is badass, except that he got his ass kicked. The thing about the more mythological horrors is that, really, it's one of them against all of us. Anything smaller than Godzilla that tries to take on New York is boned, just because there are so many people, with so many weapons. So what if he can't be killed unless you go to Egypt and piss in his coffin. We can just call. Or, worst case scenario, catch a plane. Moves a heck of a lot faster than the mummy, to boot.
Though, if it was like, in a darkened alley all alone... I'd be more scared of running into a Mummy than a zombie.
The other thing about zombies is they fill that relentless horror movie vibe that made Friday the 13th movies so prolific. You can't stop it. You shoot him, strangle him, chop him with an axe, but Jason (and zombies) keep right on coming. Not fast, but they never stop.
Ever.
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Tantras wrote: Logically speaking, that makes perfect sense and I understand and agree entirely... but is it RAW?
Does Jason count as being undead? He's been revived over and over but he's always healthy and breathing afterwards, because he bleeds like anyone else.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Mummies are quite a bit scarier than zombies. Not only are do they have magic powers, but they're also really rich, and can like, buy jet fighters and stuff.
I'm going to build my basement fortress to keep them out instead.
Ahh,but can't mummies ( according to current lore) transform into swirling sand "demons",they could easily breach your basement fortifications.
My basement's moisture will reduce the mummy to powerless clumps!
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
I think another aspect of what makes zombies "scary" is that they are us,there's no "curse" or "mysticism" behind their actions,they aren't super powerd demons or beast,hell their not even "romantic" blood suckers in capes....it's just Joe,the nice guy next door,who was reanimated by a virus and now wants to eat your face.
Honestly I think part of the popularity of zombies may come from peoples distrust of others.
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Orkeosaurus wrote:
FITZZ wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote:Mummies are quite a bit scarier than zombies. Not only are do they have magic powers, but they're also really rich, and can like, buy jet fighters and stuff.
I'm going to build my basement fortress to keep them out instead.
Ahh,but can't mummies ( according to current lore) transform into swirling sand "demons",they could easily breach your basement fortifications.
My basement's moisture will reduce the mummy to powerless clumps!
Well then,you obviously have that situation well in hand.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
"I swear, officer, it's a zombie survival plan. Yes, I know it says to shoot my neighbours in the head, but that's just if they get zombified. No, officer, I wouldn't do it if they were still alive. Honest."
The Battle Report Master wrote:i had a freind come round a few weeks ago to have a 40k apocalpocalpse game i was guards men he was space maines.... my first turn was 4 bonbaonbardlements... jacobs turn to he didnt have one i phased out.
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Tantras wrote: Logically speaking, that makes perfect sense and I understand and agree entirely... but is it RAW?
Cheese Elemental wrote:Does Jason count as being undead? He's been revived over and over but he's always healthy and breathing afterwards, because he bleeds like anyone else.
I would say Jason counts as "undead" starting after the 4th Friday the 13 film (the one in wich Corey whatshisface hacks him to pieces),after that he was "revived by lightning" ( Frankenstiens monster anyone?),so yeah ,he would qaulify as a reanimated corpse.
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Orkestra wrote:Haha,
"I swear, officer, it's a zombie survival plan. Yes, I know it says to shoot my neighbours in the head, but that's just if they get zombified. No, officer, I wouldn't do it if they were still alive. Honest."
Exactly,you could share a cell with the guy who pounded a stake through his girlfriends heart becuase she was a vampire...
" Sure she was a vampire,come with us son...you have the right to remain silent,if you give up that right to remain silent anything you say can be used against you..."
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
Cheese Elemental wrote:I think zombies have gotten too much attention. We need a return to the good old days of werewolves and vampires (apart from Underworld).
Dude February-Wolfman with Del Toro. Waiting with silver bullets and baited breath!
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Cheese Elemental wrote:
warpcrafter wrote:
Cheese Elemental wrote:What is it with wargamers and apocalyptic fantasies?
And what's with the assumption that it'd be fun and games?
It's the lack of moral ambiguity. You can blast away at Zombies all day and not feel one twinge of guilt.
Someone doesn't like people.
Wait, guilt? Whats guilt?
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
If the zombie virus is anything like SARS, avian flu, swine flue, dog flu, cat flu, gerbil flu, etc... then we might see a couple of zombies which are quickly blown away
The whole problem I find is the initial stages of an outbreak. It always seems to haev spread way too fast in most films. A lot of zombie "facts" (as defined in popular media) put a zombie bite -> zombie as about 24 hours, with someone who is killed before about 12 hours after being infected not being able to come back as the virus has not gotten advanced enough in their system.
But many films seem to think that the first person infected has bitten about 8 million people before they are killed/detained/etc, given that the next day there are hordes of the beggers everywhere.
I would have thought that it would take several weeks before an infection got anywhere near bad enough to get more than a couple of hundred zombies in an average sized city.
And yes, I worry about zombies attacking me. Don't know why. But then I sometimes think what I would be able to do if we were invaded, or aliens landed, etc. So I guess I am just generally strange, rather than zombie obsessed (although they are up there as one of the top enemies to defend against still ).
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Assuming their was only a single "paitent zero" infection,then yes an outbreak could be contained fairly easy,if the disease was rapidly identified & no one else was bitten and some how sliped away unnoticed & proceded to begin a chain of ever spreading infection.
However,there are a few cinematic instance wich discount the "paitent zero theory",In all of Romeros Dead films,anyone who dies,even if they have not been biten ,comes back as a zombie,unless their brain is destroyed,they will reanimate,the bite just kills you faster.
Thus you have huge amounts of zombies quickly,infecting the population as they go,from that point it's all geometric,100 zombies make 100 zombies who then make 200 zombies who then make 400 zombies and so on and so on until your neck deep in the undead.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Mummies are quite a bit scarier than zombies. Not only are do they have magic powers, but they're also really rich, and can like, buy jet fighters and stuff.
I'm going to build my basement fortress to keep them out instead.
Or get a cat.
Orkestra wrote:Night of the living dead was amazing. I agree that it is the best zombie movie one can watch.
No one is saying that a single zombie can kill a single trained soldier with any likelihood. However, a single zombie can kill a defenceless regular person. Then those two zombies can go and kill two more people. Then those four go and kill four more. Then that one soldier (who isn't in the norm) has more than one zombie to worry about, and might be a little upset when his mother comes shambling around the corner to eat his brain.
I recommend reading the Zombie Survival Guide and World War Z by Max Brooks. I think he gives a very realistic description of what would happen when the American Military tries to stop a zombie horde that just ate New York. It works up to a point, then eventually fails due to morale and enemy numbers.
The thing about zombies is that there are billions of people on earth. Many cities have millions of inhabitants. Now, if zombies show up, there can be tens of thousands (realistically) in that city in a short amount of time. Yes, militaries are equipped to deal death on a surprising scale, but are they prepared to eliminate tens of thousands of enemies in a small area? Especially enemies with no morale (only hunger) and who are immensely resistant to tissue damage and immune to shock (the real killer on a battlefield). Blood loss also doesn't faze them.
Those bombs that cause damage primarily through shrapnel don't seem so useful now, do they?
You are spitting out books faster than I can kill zombies.
Cheese Elemental wrote:I'd be more scared of a mummy than a horde of zombies. Haven't you watched The Mummy? He can make his own undead minions and doesn't need anything more than his mind.
Or..... You could just get a cat.
Orkeosaurus wrote:
FITZZ wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote:Mummies are quite a bit scarier than zombies. Not only are do they have magic powers, but they're also really rich, and can like, buy jet fighters and stuff.
I'm going to build my basement fortress to keep them out instead.
Or you can get a cat.
Ahh,but can't mummies ( according to current lore) transform into swirling sand "demons",they could easily breach your basement fortifications.
My basement's moisture will reduce the mummy to powerless clumps!
Or you could get a cat.
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Assuming their was only a single "paitent zero" infection,then yes an outbreak could be contained fairly easy,if the disease was rapidly identified & no one else was bitten and some how sliped away unnoticed & proceded to begin a chain of ever spreading infection.
However,there are a few cinematic instance wich discount the "paitent zero theory",In all of Romeros Dead films,anyone who dies,even if they have not been biten ,comes back as a zombie,unless their brain is destroyed,they will reanimate,the bite just kills you faster.
Thus you have huge amounts of zombies quickly,infecting the population as they go,from that point it's all geometric,100 zombies make 100 zombies who then make 200 zombies who then make 400 zombies and so on and so on until your neck deep in the undead.
The Romero zombies are slightly different. Arn't they caused by some kind of radiation or global virus that reanimates human tissue or something? (Sure I read that somewhere), rather than an infection spread from bites of the infected.
But the problem with the regular infection is that there is quite a long period between bite and reanimation, meaning that even if each zombie bites several people, the lag between bite/zombiehood is going to be about 12-24 hours, meaning their numbers will rise relatively slowly to start with. Though as you say, it only takes one to get through to start it all over again. And we all know that people are stupid, and if they are infected and know they will be "killed" or "taken away" if they are infected, they will hide, or run, etc. Which means there will be a new zombie walking around soon
Assuming their was only a single "paitent zero" infection,then yes an outbreak could be contained fairly easy,if the disease was rapidly identified & no one else was bitten and some how sliped away unnoticed & proceded to begin a chain of ever spreading infection.
However,there are a few cinematic instance wich discount the "paitent zero theory",In all of Romeros Dead films,anyone who dies,even if they have not been biten ,comes back as a zombie,unless their brain is destroyed,they will reanimate,the bite just kills you faster.
Thus you have huge amounts of zombies quickly,infecting the population as they go,from that point it's all geometric,100 zombies make 100 zombies who then make 200 zombies who then make 400 zombies and so on and so on until your neck deep in the undead.
The Romero zombies are slightly different. Arn't they caused by some kind of radiation or global virus that reanimates human tissue or something? (Sure I read that somewhere), rather than an infection spread from bites of the infected.
But the problem with the regular infection is that there is quite a long period between bite and reanimation, meaning that even if each zombie bites several people, the lag between bite/zombiehood is going to be about 12-24 hours, meaning their numbers will rise relatively slowly to start with. Though as you say, it only takes one to get through to start it all over again. And we all know that people are stupid, and if they are infected and know they will be "killed" or "taken away" if they are infected, they will hide, or run, etc. Which means there will be a new zombie walking around soon
It is comanly accepted that the zombies in Romeros "Night of the living Dead" were reanimated by "radiation" from a destroyed venus space probe ,and the recently dead return to life and attack the living,also,anyone who dies is reanimated into a zombie,they don't have to be biten,the bite just causes the victiam to die.
Now,in the "Dawn of the Dead" remake (for example),there is no explanation as to the cause of the infection,but it is established that one has to be biten in order to reanimate,however the time between bite and reanimation varies,in some cases it's a mater of days (in Ludas case) as the bite is not severe and it takes a bit of time for the virus to fully infect the body,but in other cases,were the bite is more severe ,the victiam can die within hours (as is the case with the fat lady and the gun shop owner),and of course if the bite is fatal,the body will reanimate in 1 to 5 minutes(according to the film)
And of course in the 28 days/weeks later films,infection is instant,your bit,10 seconds later your a raving maniac (although I don't consider the infected in those films zombies in the "true" sense),
And yes,most people,knowing that if they are bitten someone will blow their head off ,would in all likelyhood attempt to conceal the fact they had been bitten,thus further hindering keeping an outbreak in check.
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SilverMK2 wrote:
But the problem with the regular infection is that there is quite a long period between bite and reanimation, meaning that even if each zombie bites several people, the lag between bite/zombiehood is going to be about 12-24 hours, meaning their numbers will rise relatively slowly to start with. Though as you say, it only takes one to get through to start it all over again. And we all know that people are stupid, and if they are infected and know they will be "killed" or "taken away" if they are infected, they will hide, or run, etc. Which means there will be a new zombie walking around soon
exactly the point i was going to make
think about it...let's say everything starts with 2 zombies, right?
Now, assume 1 zombie can infect 5 in a day
it takes a day for someone infected to turn into a zombie (just for the sake of proving a point)
now, day 1: we have 2 zombies
day2: 10 zombies (2*5)
day3: 50 zombies (10*5)
day4: 250 zombies
day5: 1250 zombies
...
...
...
day13: 1,757,812,500 zombies(do the math of you don't believe) = 1.7 billion = 41,1% of world's population assuming it's 7 billion
now, if this were to happen, i'd say that if the army (or us), don't find the 2 zombies FAST, we're all pretty much fethed up. There's no way you can kill THAT much!!!
Unless you're from wh40k or chuck norris.
Or me
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Exactly, it's the geometric pattern in wich zombies spread that makes containment,unless it occurs in the early stages of an outbreak,almost impossiable.
And why the military,again, unless deployed flawlesly in the first few days of an outbreak (not very likely),would be hoplessly overwelmed.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
aka_tizz wrote:
now, day 1: we have 2 zombies
day2: 10 zombies (2*5)
day3: 50 zombies (10*5)
day4: 250 zombies
day5: 1250 zombies
Day6: rednecks everywhere go to town and live the dream: 0 zombies. Frazzled tally alone 357. Wiener Dog Troy: 2.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
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I think the thing with zombies is the fact that the normal population would either over-react or under-react instead of reacting properly. If you do nothing the zombies numbers would increase. If you tried to run like hell, chances are you will somehow die.
The deaths caused by zombies and the deaths caused by natural human stupidity will add up rather quickly.
I also think the interest in zombies is the fact that they are mindless. While movies may portray zombies living in the sewers of New York, you will hardly ever see a movie portraying vampires living in the sewers of New York. In fact, most vampire movies show them living in relatively nice living conditions because apparantly "ghetto dracula" does not exist. So if you simply avoid castles, condos, and upper-middle class living areas you should be safe from vampires. While nowhere is safe in a zombie apocalypse simply because they don't care, they just have the munchies. Also, in traditional lore and pop-culture zombification takes at most a single day, while I believe vampirification takes 3 or so days...
Zombies vs Vampires
Day1:
Z=1 and infects 5 people
V=1 and infects 5 people
Day2:
Z=6 and each infects 5 people
V=1 and infects 5 people
Day3:
Z=36 and infects 5 people
V=6 and infects 5 people
Day3
Z=180 and infects 5 people
V=11 and infects 5 people
There are people who are potential vampires, but they may die in between the time it takes to become a vampire while to be a zombie, you must die.
This is of course all hypothetical seeing as though "real" zombies/vampires don't exist.
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