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thekerrick wrote:IT IS NOT A 18 SHOT GUN! It clearly says that the 12 shot gun REPLACES the 6 shot gun, you dont get both of them.

Yeah, but it's easy to confuse. If you look at the unit entry it show bio-electric pulse under weapons and biomorphs. It also lists containment spines for the prime. That would lead one to believe that the trygon prime has both weapons. When you refer back to page 50 it says that the trygon prime uses the containment spine profile when it fires its bio-electric pulse. One could infer from that the prime gets 2 assault 12 shots, one for the basic pulse and one for the actual spines.

All that's need to fix it is for the unit entry to say "Bio-electric pulse (trygon only)."

No offense but i hate Tyranids

Thanks for that.

I hate twelve year-olds.

LoL!

Arschbombe wrote:

thekerrick wrote:IT IS NOT A 18 SHOT GUN! It clearly says that the 12 shot gun REPLACES the 6 shot gun, you dont get both of them.

Yeah, but it's easy to confuse. If you look at the unit entry it show bio-electric pulse under weapons and biomorphs. It also lists containment spines for the prime. That would lead one to believe that the trygon prime has both weapons. When you refer back to page 50 it says that the trygon prime uses the containment spine profile when it fires its bio-electric pulse. One could infer from that the prime gets 2 assault 12 shots, one for the basic pulse and one for the actual spines.

All that's need to fix it is for the unit entry to say "Bio-electric pulse (trygon only)."

The Trygon's bestiary entry clears this up nicely, as it clearly states that the Containment Spines replace the standard with the improved Bioelectric Pulse. So in the army list entry, it points you to Containment Spines, with the page number, and boom, should be cleared up, unless your opponent is being a complete arse.

What's the bestiary?

The Army List entry gives the prime bio-electric pulse and containment spines. The trygon page says the trygon prime uses the containment spines profile when it fires its bio-electric pulse. So it fires it's pulse as containment spines and also its containment spines as...containment spines. I think that's the poorly written RAW. RAI is as you state.

RAW is pretty clear as well.

Trygon has a Bio-Electric Pulse.

Tryon Prime has Bio-Electric Pulse and Containment Spines. Containment Spines upgrade the Bio-Electric Pulse.

(Bestiary entry is the bit with the fluff, rules but no points).

As I said though, whilst clearly written, it does require you to read the entire entry, which isn't something most gamers tend to do in the heat of the moment. Rather they read so far, and take the first bit (which usually fits their interpretation) then cease reading. So easily missed, but clearly written nonetheless.

Rules debates belong in YMDC, not Tactics.

Keep it on-topic.

At first i was looking at the Venomthrope model with anguish in my heart. A delicious looking, and brand-new model, but with such (at first glance) underwhelming abilities, not to mention the ease of which it would be removed from the table. But lately I have been re-thinking the venom's usefulness, particularly in a Monster Farm list. The name of the game is target saturation; if i put so many big huge beasties right in my opponent's sights, they will have a time deciding which monster is the biggest threat. By sneaking in a venomthrope somewhere amidst the huge baddies, I can give them cover saves to las/plas spam that my meta fields. Also i'm thinking TLoS will be blocked by many of the tervigons, trygons, and carnifexes i'll have on the board so my TFF (tyranid force field) will have even more longevity. I've yet to playtest this, i think i'm getting the 'thrope today so we'll see how it plays out on my game table at home.

tetrisphreak wrote:TFF (tyranid force field)

TFF = Gold!!!

Congrats sir, tip of the hat

Now we need a KFF/TFF matchup!!