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ph34r wrote:They have the tyranids beat an ENTIRE PLANET of iron warriors. That's a grand company, aka 1000 Iron Warriors. And over 600 defilers. And a planet COVERED IN FORTRESSES. Tyranids beat this.

Tyranids could not beat 100 ultramarines in an ice cave.

WHAT.

The Best excuse I can come up with for that is that The Smurfs fougt Behemoth, while the Iron warriors fought the much more highly evolved Leviathan. i didn't say it was a good excuse.

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
@Orkeosaurus: Very true, the Necron codex could be considered the original "Oh Yeah?" codex! But the big difference is that at least the author was sensible enough to imply the threat to the galaxy as a "What if it's true?" scenario - i.e. "what if there IS a C'Tan on Mars??". If the Tyranid author had written it, there would have been a 2 page description of how mars had transformed into friggin Unicron or something.

Despite the sheer awesomeness of a possible 40k Unicron, I have to admit you're right there. Things of such import should always be alluded to. There should be predictions on how vast and adaptable the 'Nid codex is, not confirmation that every race must unite or we're all doomed.

Gorechild wrote:the OP is completely right.
at least until the next codex comes out, because BA's are going to make everyone else seem rubbish, at least until the next codex comes out, then they will make everyone else seem crap, until the next codex comes out. You see where I'm going with this

Of course! It all makes sense now!

Op and orkz posts are gold.

Tyranids and Necrons compensate for their complete lack of personality by being the greatest and most dangerous forces in the galaxy EVAR.

They kill their enemies with boredom.

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I cant stop laughing. . . to many funny posts. . . read all of . . .. *nearly dies of laughter*

Nids , so many nids we can never hold the line. Wait whats that , is it, it is NECRONS !!!!!!! Run ,run theirs to many of them we are all doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I play IG, my wife Necrons , my buddy plays Nids so I get overwelmed at the very least every other week and it dose not matter what I change from game to game I just get over run and I thought that was my thing. So I know first hand the paine it's not just fluff.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:The Best excuse I can come up with for that is that The Smurfs fougt Behemoth, while the Iron warriors fought the much more highly evolved Leviathan. i didn't say it was a good excuse.

Another possible reason is that the Macragge PDF or Legio Praetor were more numerous or better quality than their counterparts fighting alongside the Iron Warriors. Ultramar is known to produce excellent Guard regiments and those troops are known to have taken part in the battle. A couple million well-trained and equipped guardsmen complete with tanks might make more difference than a thousand marines. The fleet in orbit loosing multi-megaton bombardment on the Tyranid swarms might also have contributed to the Ultramarine victory.

Do you know who the Iron Warriors are?

I didn't bother reading most of the fluff. It's schlock written to enthuse teenage boys about the latest army release.

I thought the rule of thumb with nids was that if you couldn't beat them in space, you were doomed on the ground. The ones of the ground are just holding them back from the valuable stuff until the space fleet is successful.

Ussually if you can't beat a race in space (rhyme = win ) then you're pretty much screwed anyway.

Kilkrazy wrote:I didn't bother reading most of the fluff. It's schlock written to enthuse teenage boys about the latest army release.

Except da orks.

Ussually if you can't beat a race in space (rhyme = win ) then you're pretty much screwed anyway.

Pretty much, if you lose the gravity well of you planet you lose the advantage of maneuverability as well as the ability to operate above ground and very likely beneath it too. Once a force has command of the gravity well, as in they can orbit wherever they damn well feel like, the defending planet just loses right there.

Every codex talks big game, no one is going to buy a codex of failures. I mean come one no one buys dark eldar etc anymore..

WarmasterScott wrote:Every codex talks big game, no one is going to buy a codex of failures. I mean come one no one buys dark eldar etc anymore..

Then why do people play Tau?

600 Defilers....Tyranids destroyed 600 defilers...and 1000 Iron warriors... And I really thought GW hit their highpoint with crazy outlandish claimes of bad assery in codex's with Calgar uppercutting an Avatar...

by the time the BA codex gets released im sure there will be a story about Dante falcon punching the eye of terror and ending the threat of chaos entirely...

I'm just waiting for Aun'va to throw off his space pope hat and shoot the hive mind with a railgun, From across the galaxy, before heading into the Warp and trading in his floating seat for the skull throne after pummeling Khorne into submission with his honor blade

The_0perator wrote:...by the time the BA codex gets released im sure there will be a story about Dante falcon punching the eye of terror and ending the threat of chaos entirely...

Damn straight he could! If he was in a Dreadnought maybe...

Arguably, but knowing GW's track record he'd probably do it without his power armor, after it was stolen by some demon. so the entire story would circle around Dante's quest to reclaim his armor from said demon, and would eventually end with the closing of the eye of terror. seriously though 600 defilers... Had the fluff said they smoked some fortress with 200 Iron Warriors and 30-50 defilers... and there were massive tyranid casualties. thats one thing... a thousand marines, that fought through the Great Crusade, the Horus Heresy, and then escaped the aftermath of the heresy... got stomped by trygons. If ultramarine termies held them off... there is no way in hell thats possible... Somewhere in England their is a Grot writing fluff for GW.

I dont care about their genetic adaptablity garbage, if they can smoke 1000 marines, and defilers....what the hell are the squishier armies in the galaxy going to do.

Edited so I could extend my rant..... Tyranids eat Biomass... do you have any concept of how powerfull a hive fleet that consumed 1000 Marines would be... Thats a hell of a lot of Gene Seed people...

Also it said in less than a week they conquered the Iron Warrior world....a week? That is how long a whole planet of IW's lasted. Holy feth GW is just pissing oil on the flames.

poor IW... but the most terrible thing is that they've been beaten because the Tyranids attacked from the backway.

Wait... backway ? FROM THE BACK ? Jesus Christ, IW were the best for siege warfare, they've blocked the Imperial Fists for months in the Iron Cage and they leave their back unprotected ?

This is utterly ridicoulous.... 2 hours to destroy 600 defilers!? With what ? Hordes of termagants ?

At least I'm not alone on this one...cause...damn...

WarmasterScott wrote:Every codex talks big game, no one is going to buy a codex of failures.

Of course every codex tries to present the subject race/army as the meanest ever. If you read Tau codex, you find out that Orks were a minor nuisance for them and they swept them off like nothing. If you read the Ork codex, you learn that Ork Waaagh! captured multiple sept worlds and pushed the Tau empire to brink of collapse...

Right now I'm just imagining the GW writers smoking pot. Suddenly one stands up and says doppily: "Hey guys, you know what would be cool? If the nids ate like, I dunno, 600 defiliers in, likem 2 hours!"

Just be happy thats all they came up with....could of been worse... Like the Nightbringer was consumed by a trygon, Harpies captured the Imperial Palace on Terra, or the God Emperor is really the hive mind and we have all been had...Seriously it just seems that they've lost site of the fluff, and are trying to force feed us stories of every army overcoming crazy odds. Dude its ok to lose... not everyone can punch an Avatar, jeez!

Emperors Faithful wrote:Right now I'm just imagining the GW writers smoking pot. Suddenly one stands up and says doppily: "Hey guys, you know what would be cool? If the nids ate like, I dunno, 600 defiliers in, likem 2 hours!"

Then the other guy suddenly wakes from his drug induced stipor and says:

"What!!!! That'd never happen, not to the IW, sure they're the best in the entire galaxy.."

The next day he got sacked and they printed the story anyway..

EDIT: Didn't that same thing with the coming from below happen to the IW in an Ultramrines novel???
Ah yes: Dead Sky, Black Sun or something..

Yeah, and Rogal Dorn beat his way out of an Iron Warriors fortress/prison, and managed to escape off world, without his armor.

What.

Wazdakka could never take out a titan in a real game.

Just for the record.

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
@Orkeosaurus: Very true, the Necron codex could be considered the original "Oh Yeah?" codex! But the big difference is that at least the author was sensible enough to imply the threat to the galaxy as a "What if it's true?" scenario - i.e. "what if there IS a C'Tan on Mars??". If the Tyranid author had written it, there would have been a 2 page description of how mars had transformed into friggin Unicron or something.

Maybe the C'Tan on Mars could get Abbadon to become his servent before the C'Tan gets blown up by the Holy light of the Terra which was passed from Marneus Calgar to Cato Sicarius upon his death bed. That would make some GREAT fluff!

nintendoeats wrote:Wazdakka could never take out a titan in a real game.

Just for the record.

Naw, that story is believable to me. It's like a guardsman pulling an epic ambush and killing a terminator.
However, Iron Warriors getting massacred by the thousands by a foe that the ULTRAMAHREENZ defeated with 10% the marines and 1% the defenses in "hours" is just amazingly stupid. It seems like if GW wants chaos to get super-hard owned, they just pick Iron Warriors. Hell, look at the 4e chaos codex.

I started reading the Tyranid codex front to back yesterday. I'm about half way though. I agree with what has been said about the 'kids arguing' factor. But also, has anyone noticed the amount of mistakes in the codex?
There seems to be a definite amount of if's, it's, &'s & buts missing in general places.
In some cases I have had to read sentences twice to make sure my brain hasn't lapsed.
What with all the mini arguments going on about the rules etc, I think that the GW will have to release an FAQ fairly sharpish.
That's my 2c.