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makr wrote:
These all sound like the things an 8 year-old would yell as he pretends to be a general

Except we're all just 20+ year-olds pretending to be generals. What else are we supposed to yell? Personally, I quote Dawn of War often in my games, "Stop for no-one!"

Henners91 wrote:I disagree... I think they are something I can conceivably imagine an officer yelling... And they say what they do just fine.

"Firing Drill": What, are they on parade? Just imagine a big horde of gaunts charging some ranked up guardsmen... The officer yells First rank, FIRE! They fire, then they get down so the second rank can fire over their shoulders or something...

"Bring it down!" is the one you use on monstrous creatures or vehicles, just imagine a big stompy carnifex ripping up the lines... The officer grabs the mouthpiece for a Vox off of a nearby guardsman and yells whilst pointing into the sky "BRING IT DOWN!!!!".. Makes perfect, awesome sense.

I think fire on my target is a stupid name though, since IIRC that's the one for targeting enemies in cover... no idea what I would actually call that though... "Smoke 'em out" maybe?

"Fire on my target" is a standard real life command. The leader will either mark the target with a tracer round or paint the target with a Laser designator. The troops then suppress that target until commanded to lift fire.

The leader has a better view of the battle going on in front of them becasue he is able to look around and fight his team as a weapon, rather than fight himself.

The resta re also pretty close to standard, and "INCOMING!" is basic soldiering skills.

The whole premise of the FRFSRF is based off the napoleonic era.

Those tactics were soundly disproven in WWI with the advent of the machine gun. Wouldn't ALL of the IG be scattered in a rough line, finding whatever cover they could?

They are not standing shoulder to shoulder in ranks of two. There are a variety of terms they could use to better replicate the situation. But, if this is your biggest nitpicking of the game.....

i think the orders are great, i wish all armies had them. gives me an excuse to shout more often.

if only nid armies had something to shout!! i could just drag nails on a chalkboard and scream as a swarm of gaunts charged, but i am sure i wouldnt be allowed to play them anymore in public.

makr wrote:I've had this thought recently: the Imperial Guard orders appear to be named in ways that make you cringe halfway through saying them.

I mean, look at these:

Bring it Down!
Fire on my Target!
Get Back in the Fight!
First Rank, FIRE! Second Rank, FIRE!
Incoming!
Move! Move! Move!

These all sound like the things an 8 year-old would yell as he pretends to be a general. GW could have easily thought of less cringeworthy names for the orders (FRFSRF could have been "Firing Drills" or something like that) while also making it more understandable what the orders actually do - what's the difference between "Bring it Down!" and "Fire on my Target!", for instance?

I'm a little curious as to whether the names bug other people as well.

I completely agree, I can't stand the 'theme' names for special rules.

The patern also continues in newer codices. The Tyranid codex is much worse!

I think these are actually rules:

What was that.
Where'd it go.
Where is it.

This irritating juvenile trend has gotten so bad that there are even rules with absolutely no purpose other than adding in the stupid name. All the tyranid rules for armor don't do anything. They are listed in a units special rules, (from memory I think the rules are chitinous hide, bonded skeleton etc, but not sure) but the rule actually is: this unit has the save already listed on it's stat line.

Now we have 'theme' rules that don't even do anything?

It's asinine, put the fluff in the fluff and the rules in the rules.

Makr, you are right on the money, and I hate them too.

* On a side note, I don't think army's need 'special rules' (with stupid names) to be balanced or new, what they need is capability, structure, and points cost that works. (And maybe figures for all their units). IG just got a new version of faith points, and all the army unique powers like (orders and faith points, and deathleaper) just make the game a convoluted mess of special rules to play where the "army special powers" shape the game more than anything else. Its absolutely the worst part of all Warhammer design.

While I agree with most of the wording for orders, theres one that my favorite to make fun of, and you all missed it...

"Like the wind!"

Why you gotta go mess with stuff like FRFSRF when you have this one that makes little to no sense

They are titled just fine.

WTH does "Like the Wind!" even do?

chaplaingrabthar wrote:WTH does "Like the Wind!" even do?

All of the soldiers propel themselves with flatulence.

Incoming could be better but except for that I reckon they sound pretty good.

IG is an army for kids who failed boy scouts. You really expected more?

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:IG is an army for kids who failed boy scouts. You really expected more?

Does that make Space Marines an army for failed Power Rangers?

I don't think we'd need to worry bout the naming of those orders,rather the interpretation of some ambigous rules. IMHO we already had alot to worry in the rules themselves without needlessly picking on names of IG orders. If it would make sense to some, we could call them something else, then point out to your opponent,that what you just said 'count as' FSfSRF or something?

As pointed out before FRFSRF is Games workshop decideing something would happen even thought it would never happen in real life.

ITS A GAME! ITS NOT REAL! IT CAN HAPPEN IF GAMES WORKSHOP SAYS IT CAN!

I always assumed lasguns were fired on semi-auto most of the time, like WWI-II guns, rather then spraying lasers everywhere on full auto. If that were the case, FRFSRF would be a perfectly viable order.

willydstyle wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:IG is an army for kids who failed boy scouts. You really expected more?

Does that make Space Marines an army for failed Power Rangers?

Successful boy scouts

I think the Orders put more character into the game, just recently i had IG Medusas shelling my orks to death. I can almost see the artillary crews yelling "Bring It down!". A pretty awsome Capture and control game (IG - CSM Vs SM - Orks) and it ended in a tactical draw.

Valhallan42nd wrote:

Philhelm wrote:
"First Rank, FIRE! Second Rank, FIRE!"
Very silly for some of the reasons mentioned, but we all know that GW loves the movie "Zulu", and for thematic purposes of some IG regiments, I'd give it a pass.

It really is a great scene, and totally worth the youtubing of it.

Youtubed. Was really great. I could see some IG doing that.

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:

willydstyle wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:IG is an army for kids who failed boy scouts. You really expected more?

Does that make Space Marines an army for failed Power Rangers?

Successful boy scouts

They got to marry the troop leader?

makr wrote:These all sound like the things an 8 year-old would yell as he pretends to be a general.

Of course it sounds like an eight year old, it always sounds like eight year olds. Its toy soldiers and we're all sounding like eight year olds.


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Green is Best! wrote:The whole premise of the FRFSRF is based off the napoleonic era.

Those tactics were soundly disproven in WWI with the advent of the machine gun. Wouldn't ALL of the IG be scattered in a rough line, finding whatever cover they could?

IG, like all armies in 40K, are heavily stylised. They aren't supposed to represent how a futuristic or even modern military would operate, they're supposed to be a combination of cool stuff from great action movies. This is why political officers overlook troops firing with Napoleonic batte drills that are supported by WWI era tanks.

+1 to all the lame special rules names... basicly everything death leaper.

As for FRFSRF, its simply too long! I understand the zulu refrence and all, but a shortend 'Ranked Fire!' would be fine, with the cry 'FRFSRF' in the fluff of said order.

In the fiction, dont the lasguns fire long streams of energy that need to be focused upon a particular spot to be effective? AKA, waving a laser all around in a panic'd spray, while maybe instinctual, will result in giving the charging forces a nice tan. However, under the diciplined fire of an officer, a team with lasguns keeps their weapon trained on the same spot until killing lethality is achieved, and only then does the soldier retrain their las beam to another charging target. This WOULD actually drasticly increase a well diciplined firing team's usable las beam, directly translating into more shots.

Thus, you could name the order 'Focused Fire!' or some such if you were looking for a fluffier shouted order.

makr wrote:I've had this thought recently: the Imperial Guard orders appear to be named in ways that make you cringe halfway through saying them.

I mean, look at these:

Bring it Down!
Fire on my Target!
Get Back in the Fight!
First Rank, FIRE! Second Rank, FIRE!
Incoming!
Move! Move! Move!

These all sound like the things an 8 year-old would yell as he pretends to be a general.

I think that's the idea?

Warhammer has always had a very subtle, very British sense of humor. It's their way of taking the piss. Right guys, did I say it correctly? Pip pip and all that.

I like the orders, and how they aren't mega serious.

DevianID wrote:+1 to all the lame special rules names... basicly everything death leaper.

As for FRFSRF, its simply too long! I understand the zulu refrence and all, but a shortend 'Ranked Fire!' would be fine, with the cry 'FRFSRF' in the fluff of said order.

In the fiction, dont the lasguns fire long streams of energy that need to be focused upon a particular spot to be effective? AKA, waving a laser all around in a panic'd spray, while maybe instinctual, will result in giving the charging forces a nice tan. However, under the diciplined fire of an officer, a team with lasguns keeps their weapon trained on the same spot until killing lethality is achieved, and only then does the soldier retrain their las beam to another charging target. This WOULD actually drasticly increase a well diciplined firing team's usable las beam, directly translating into more shots.

Thus, you could name the order 'Focused Fire!' or some such if you were looking for a fluffier shouted order.

No, they actually fire "bolts" of laser energy, discrete packets with a specific duration of fire.

FRF!SRF! is just brilliant in a gaming club - 40k is heavily about the theatre of the game, anything that enhances that is good to me.